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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
Spoil stuff to your hearts content. Please leave the spoilers out of this thread. | ||
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Laids
United Kingdom596 Posts
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Ollan
Sweden32 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Hahaha that's too funny ^.^ | ||
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Xeteh
United States589 Posts
On May 17 2011 02:35 nonsequitur wrote: Awesome episode minus the awkward Loras/Renly scene. I have no idea why they made such a drastic change to Renly's character. Yes we get that he's gay, but it would have been far better to make subtle hints to it instead of having that ridiculous scene. Thats just it... they're trying to fit an 800 page book in to 10 hours. There really isn't a lot of time to deal with all of the elements of the story and find the time to fit in all of the subtleties you're afforded in a book. I've read these books twice, never once did I put 2+2 together and realize that Renly is actually gay, I always felt he was just some rich flamboyant dude (derp). I understand the need for these new scenes that expose/fill out certain elements that take several chapters in the books... the show is already confusing enough for people who haven't read them. | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
I understand, that you can't put in the whole story, also you can't show what's going on in peoples heads and need to make some detours on the story... But seriously why do they have to cut things like the travel to the Eyrie, Blackfish, most of the tournament etc. just to put in a scene about Greyjoy doing a whore and the breast-shaving / bj part with Renly and Loras? Also, the Lysa part was just over the top. Yeah she has more or less gone mad, yeah there is some stuff about breast-feeding her 6 year old child in the book and she is scared shitless that anything could happen to her son. But putting that all in one scene - her first appeareance - showing her giving an audience while having a tit hanging out and breast feeding her son, without any background on the character just looks ridiculous. I really have high hopes for this show, but I'd rather have them cut back a bit on putting in random sex scenes and provide a bit more character backgrounds. | ||
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SF-Fork
Russian Federation1401 Posts
On May 17 2011 04:25 Nesto wrote: Guess this episode had it's moments, but some scenes were just ridiculous. I understand, that you can't put in the whole story, also you can't show what's going on in peoples heads and need to make some detours on the story... But seriously why do they have to cut things like the travel to the Eyrie, Blackfish, most of the tournament etc. just to put in a scene about Greyjoy doing a whore and the breast-shaving / bj part with Renly and Loras? Also, the Lysa part was just over the top. Yeah she has more or less gone mad, yeah there is some stuff about breast-feeding her 6 year old child in the book and she is scared shitless that anything could happen to her son. But putting that all in one scene - her first appeareance - showing her giving an audience while having a tit hanging out and breast feeding her son, without any background on the character just looks ridiculous. I really have high hopes for this show, but I'd rather have them cut back a bit on putting in random sex scenes and provide a bit more character backgrounds. They scrapped the Blackfish this season due to budget reasons. They will get someone for later. | ||
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Wrath 2.1
Germany880 Posts
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WiljushkA
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nonsequitur
384 Posts
On May 17 2011 04:10 Xeteh wrote: Thats just it... they're trying to fit an 800 page book in to 10 hours. There really isn't a lot of time to deal with all of the elements of the story and find the time to fit in all of the subtleties you're afforded in a book. I've read these books twice, never once did I put 2+2 together and realize that Renly is actually gay, I always felt he was just some rich flamboyant dude (derp). I understand the need for these new scenes that expose/fill out certain elements that take several chapters in the books... the show is already confusing enough for people who haven't read them. I don't know. I just felt that they've emasculated Renly. In the books, he didn't struck me as someone that dislikes all the physical combat stuff. After all he took part in the jousting. But now they show him as being afraid of blood etc. Just seemed to clashed with what I've imagined him to be from the books. As to his relationship with Loras, I felt that small scenes like Littlefinger's comment to Renly at the jousting could have achieved the same goal just as effectively without being so hamfisted about it. | ||
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Vykenos
United States56 Posts
On May 17 2011 04:31 WiljushkA wrote: that sucks Talking about the breast feeding or the blackfish? o_O It was a good episode. As with most people who are fans of the books there is more I wanted and was some unexpected but overall I cant help but to enjoy what we have gotten so far. I always wondered about Renly and Loras but the strength of that scene still shocked me pretty good. Also, I beleive Renly was described as a more charismatic Robert basically. The fright of blood and "gentleness" of him did seem very different from what i would expect even with the Loras relationship so pronounced. | ||
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
On May 17 2011 04:32 nonsequitur wrote: I kind of agree, but I still feel like this episode was pretty damn awesome. Probably the best episode so far imo.I don't know. I just felt that they've emasculated Renly. In the books, he didn't struck me as someone that dislikes all the physical combat stuff. After all he took part in the jousting. But now they show him as being afraid of blood etc. Just seemed to clashed with what I've imagined him to be from the books. As to his relationship with Loras, I felt that small scenes like Littlefinger's comment to Renly at the jousting could have achieved the same goal just as effectively without being so hamfisted about it. But adding superficial sex scenes does not add much to the overall show. They should keep to the books where possible, while adding dialogue where needed in order to flesh out what is given to the reader in character perspective/thoughts in the books. They have done well with the added scenes so far when it comes to dialogue. | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
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nybbas
United States71 Posts
I think it's hilarious also that so many people are whining about the gay scene, when there have been so many other straight sex scenes and boobies etc. (my complaint with the scene is that they take what was just heavily inferred in the books, and throw it in your face. They could have been more subtle about it) As far as not showing more of the eyrie... like someone else already pointed out, it plays a very minor role in the first season, why would they waste a ton of budget on that when they don't have to? I thought the set in the throneroom was incredible, and LOVED the way they portrayed cats sister. My biggest issue in this thread is all these idiots posting spoilers, or putting a tag, and then spoiling shit anyways in the non-tagged portion of the text... "ITS SETTING **** UP FOR SOMETHING HE DOES LATER" Thanks assholes, you just took something that was slightly foreshadowed and ruined it for EVERYONE who has not yet read the books. | ||
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thebigdonkey
United States354 Posts
On May 17 2011 02:13 piegasm wrote: I know there's no shortage of sex in the books, but reading it is different than seeing it. It's been a while since I read the books and I'm at work so I don't have the option right now to read any of the sex scenes but I don't have any memory of being put off by anything. When I think of the Theon scene or the slurping blowjob sounds, I'm reminded of Jean Auel's books the Earth's Children series (Clan of the Cave Bear etc.). The sex scenes in those books were explicit to the point of counting how many thrusts there were before the couple climaxed. Even as a hormonal 15 yr old reading those books mainly FOR the sex scenes, I found it sort of out of place and just...inelegant. There are much more erotic and artistic ways to depict sex than to be so matter of fact about it. On the other hand, there are scenes that are toned down. I reread the first couple chapters of the first book recently and in the scene where Ned and Cat receive the message that Cat's sister suspects that John Aron was murdered, both Ned and Cat are naked. I think the scene even begins with Ned rolling off her. Ned goes to stand at the window and only puts a robe on when he answers the knock at the door. Later Cat gets right up out of bed and strolls naked across the room to put the letter in the fire, much to Ned's dismay. She reminds him the Maester delivered her children and says this is no time for false modesty. Who knows whether that decision is because of the age of the characters involved or because the actors didn't agree to be filmed naked but if they can look at that scene and think it can be just as effective without full frontal nudity then why not others? It wouldn't even be necessary for the actors to actually be naked in order to convey the impression that they were. The part that is off-putting is again, not that it's offensive but more that it disrupts my immersion. It's like great acting, great writing, great story OHAI BOOBS AND SEX AND PENISES JUST BECAUSE more great acting, great writing, great story. *blink* It's just...incongruous...I guess. It's not like a summer action flick that's kind of designed more to be eye candy and just fun rather than being qood quality story telling. A very articulate and reasonable explanation. The explicit scenes didn't really affect me one way or the other, but I am a little curious about their motivation for the scenes. I can see them contending that these scenes contribute to the raw and gritty atmosphere of the story in the same way that the violent scenes do. I could also see it being the influence of HBO either directly or indirectly to "push the envelope" as a gimmicky way to get and retain viewers. | ||
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Elbee
United States224 Posts
On May 17 2011 04:46 nybbas wrote: My biggest issue in this thread is all these idiots posting spoilers, or putting a tag, and then spoiling shit anyways in the non-tagged portion of the text... "ITS SETTING **** UP FOR SOMETHING HE DOES LATER" Thanks assholes, you just took something that was slightly foreshadowed and ruined it for EVERYONE who has not yet read the books. I completely agree, this is starting to get extremely frustrating. People really need to learn how easy it is to spoil the series. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Not in a fucking TV show. I don't want the vulgarity of hearing a sloppy blowjob REGARDLESS of it being a man or a woman. It's just ham fisted, like someone already said. There is no class in it. For a good comparison, in the scale of 'class', the Wire is 100% and Spartacus is 0%. This show is around 35% for me. Sexual liaisons can be implied or hinted at. A little subtlety goes a long way. Many many very good TV shows have managed to produce quality story without needing to show nonstop titties and sloppy gay blowjobs complete with about 3 seconds of audio and NOTHING ELSE happening on the screen other than the slurping. Every time there is a needless sex scene it upsets me a little more and turns me off the show. Just like the other guy said, it feels like they are desperate to 'push boundaries' and make it 'exciting', but all they end up doing is turning into a cheap softcore porno in places. I would talk again about the Silence of the Lambs/ Hannibal. There are SO many sex scenes in the book. Quite frankly, ridiculous ones as well. Like when Barney the black orderly has a shower with a naked muscle woman and it talks about her 'muscular vagina', or when the detective sits back and thinks about 'his wife, pumping the base of his penis to make the head grow' or some shit like that. And in the films, they completely left all of that out, and for good measure. Didn't ruin anything. It can be done. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [All the books] + Robert is the pig, Stannis is the hard-ass and Renly is the pretty-boy. It's strongly implied in the book that Renly is gay based on his mannerisms and Margery Tyrell's alleged virginity after their brief marriage (although that is also a necessary excuse to have her remarry, and she's probably not a virgin after all). It's also implied that Loras is gay, given that he would otherwise be heir to a pretty major house but volunteers to a member of the Kingsguard (they do not marry). Also, his conspicuous disinterest in the many ladies that swoon after him. The closest the books get to implying a relationship between Renly and Loras is when Loras is part of Renly's "rainbow" guard. Loras makes moon-eyes at Renly, but it's not clear that Renly treats him any different than any other admirer. I don't even know if they have any significant scenes together in the first book. In a series that has otherwise been surprisingly faithful, it's a real WTF moment. Generally though, the parts I have a problem with are when they are completely explicit about something that was just hinted at in the books, or even spoils things. Like, the just come out and say that Jorah Mormont is the one spying on Dany. In the book you had to either be very clever to pick it up, or were completely surprised and heartbroken when it came out. I was like "Hey Lord Varys, you forgot your spoiler tags, dillweed!" It's a mistake a lot of TV series make; treating their viewers like idiots. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On May 17 2011 05:11 CaptainFwiffo wrote: My biggest problem with the Renly/Loras scene was that it inverted Renly's personality compared to the book. Both are pretty clearly gay in the books, I guess I don't really mind that they made them lovers which was AT MOST hinted at in the books (I'm of the opinion that it wasn't in the books, period). I don't mind the gay sex. But in the books, Renly is flamboyant, charismatic and supremely self-confident. People follow him because of his personal magnetism. I realize that someone can be that way outwardly, but insecure privately, but that's not the character portrayed in the books. I don't know why they felt the need to turn him into a whiner. + Show Spoiler [All the books] + Robert is the pig, Stannis is the hard-ass and Renly is the pretty-boy. It's strongly implied in the book that Renly is gay based on his mannerisms and Margery Tyrell's alleged virginity after their brief marriage (although that is also a necessary excuse to have her remarry, and she's probably not a virgin after all). It's also implied that Loras is gay, given that he would otherwise be heir to a pretty major house but volunteers to a member of the Kingsguard (they do not marry). Also, his conspicuous disinterest in the many ladies that swoon after him. The closest the books get to implying a relationship between Renly and Loras is when Loras is part of Renly's "rainbow" guard. Loras makes moon-eyes at Renly, but it's not clear that Renly treats him any different than any other admirer. I don't even know if they have any significant scenes together in the first book. In a series that has otherwise been surprisingly faithful, it's a real WTF moment. Generally though, the parts I have a problem with are when they are completely explicit about something that was just hinted at in the books, or even spoils things. Like, the just come out and say that Jorah Mormont is the one spying on Dany. In the book you had to either be very clever to pick it up, or were completely surprised and heartbroken when it came out. I was like "Hey Lord Varys, you forgot your spoiler tags, dillweed!" It's a mistake a lot of TV series make; treating their viewers like idiots. + Show Spoiler [allbooks] + Jaimie makes some remarks indicating strongly that there was a relationship between them. He says something like "he would stab Loras in places Renly never did". Also, Martin has stated it outright in interviews that these two were a couple. There are other small hints as well. At one of the parties before Renly dies, he gives Loras a lot of attention, while he only gives his new wife Margaery enough attention to be courteous. Couple it with Loras' extreme reaction of grief when Renly dies. About the revelation of Mormont being a spy, that was said explicitly as early as in the conversation between Ned and Robert on the kingsroad in the books. | ||
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