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On May 10 2016 00:05 Dante08 wrote:
Dam the starks cannot catch a break lol, Sansa escapes and Rickon gets captured now.
By the way can someone explain why the High Sparrow is so powerful? Can't the King just walk in with an army get Margaery and Loras out?
Yes he could and they would slaughter the silly guards that the church has.
And the Kings landing would revolt as the people support the church more then the crown, the streets of Kings Landing would run red with blood and the King would discover that ruling over the murdered corpses of his subjects is kind of a bummer.
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On May 10 2016 01:25 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 00:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 09 2016 23:28 oGoZenob wrote:
They really went for a fart joke with pycelle ? How fucking low can this show sink... I don't know about you, I think that was hilarious and the funniest possible way to show his fear I have an epidermic reaction to fart jokes. They are the lowest possible form of humor, and are usually enough of a reason for me to qui watching a movie/show. I mean, this used to be the show with rich and intricate dialogs, subtle subtext and overall extremely clever interaction. And now, they found nothing to show that an old guy is afraid than a fucking fart ? Really ? Not to mention the extremly overplayed cliché of "the guy talking shit about another guy, while being the onlyone unaware of his presence
"You've got no cock."
-Tyrion, to Cersei, Varys, and I believe Grey Worm
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On May 10 2016 02:18 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 00:05 Dante08 wrote:
Dam the starks cannot catch a break lol, Sansa escapes and Rickon gets captured now.
By the way can someone explain why the High Sparrow is so powerful? Can't the King just walk in with an army get Margaery and Loras out? Yes he could and they would slaughter the silly guards that the church has. And the Kings landing would revolt as the people support the church more then the crown, the streets of Kings Landing would run red with blood and the King would discover that ruling over the murdered corpses of his subjects is kind of a bummer.
In addition, religious zealots are motivated by an unshakable cause. Their rewards are mainly spiritual, and beyond forcing them to accept that either their faith is wrong (like watching the Lord of Light perform miracles) or a bunch of Septons coming out and saying the Sparrows' faith in the Seven is wrong, they will fight to the best of their ability, down to the last man. The Lannister soldiers do not have the same level of loyalty towards their liege.
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On May 10 2016 02:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 01:25 oGoZenob wrote:On May 10 2016 00:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 09 2016 23:28 oGoZenob wrote:
They really went for a fart joke with pycelle ? How fucking low can this show sink... I don't know about you, I think that was hilarious and the funniest possible way to show his fear I have an epidermic reaction to fart jokes. They are the lowest possible form of humor, and are usually enough of a reason for me to qui watching a movie/show. I mean, this used to be the show with rich and intricate dialogs, subtle subtext and overall extremely clever interaction. And now, they found nothing to show that an old guy is afraid than a fucking fart ? Really ? Not to mention the extremly overplayed cliché of "the guy talking shit about another guy, while being the onlyone unaware of his presence "You've got no cock." -Tyrion, to Cersei, Varys, and I believe Grey Worm
well it's factually correct^^ It's not a pull-my-finger moment
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On May 10 2016 02:52 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 02:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 10 2016 01:25 oGoZenob wrote:On May 10 2016 00:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 09 2016 23:28 oGoZenob wrote:
They really went for a fart joke with pycelle ? How fucking low can this show sink... I don't know about you, I think that was hilarious and the funniest possible way to show his fear I have an epidermic reaction to fart jokes. They are the lowest possible form of humor, and are usually enough of a reason for me to qui watching a movie/show. I mean, this used to be the show with rich and intricate dialogs, subtle subtext and overall extremely clever interaction. And now, they found nothing to show that an old guy is afraid than a fucking fart ? Really ? Not to mention the extremly overplayed cliché of "the guy talking shit about another guy, while being the onlyone unaware of his presence "You've got no cock." -Tyrion, to Cersei, Varys, and I believe Grey Worm well it's factually correct^^ It's not a pull-my-finger moment
I don't know, Pycelle already does the whole squirming and stuttering routine which nobody buys, so the only real way to communicate his fear is to have him stop short of shitting his pants.
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Also S6E4 is going to be amazing cause + Show Spoiler [trailer] +Littlefinger is back. Also, his character on The Wire is amazing if you haven't seen that yet. Fills in the time between watching him in GoT.
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On May 10 2016 00:56 Tunkeg wrote:
I did like the Tower of Joy scene, highlight of this episode to me. Yes, dual wielding like that is very unrealistic, so I would prefer if they had gone with a more realistic way of doing it. Maybe having the kingsguards position themselves better to take on the larger group. But it did show that Arthur Dayne was an amazing fighter, that he could take on 4-5 men alone, and actually destroy them. This build up under the lagend status he have in this universe. Dual wielding is done for show, and it looks cool for those who don't care about the realism in it. So I can live with them going this way with it. Remember most of the swordfights in GoT and in all swordmovies is very unrealistic, just ask someone who practises HEMA and stuff like that.
What I disliked the most is the Rickon getting handed over to Ramsey, and even more them killing Shaggydog. If this is in the books I will be deeply dissapointed in GRRM. It looks like they are doing this to give Jon a reason to attack Ramsey, now that Sansa isn't the hostage anymore. And they do it to build more hate towards Ramsey, like we need that. I would actually be ok with them just having Ramsey randomly fall off the wall to be done with him. He is a boring, one dimensional, sadistic retard of a character. Of all the badguys in this series he must be the most boring one.
The killing of the direwolf was shit as well. With the killing of Sansa's direwolf it foreshadowed her distancing from the rest of the Starks. At least it symblozied that to me. She allways looked more like a Tully then a Stark to begin with. While her brothers and sisters were more Stark in their appearance and their values, honor and justice, she was seeking out a more material path. The killing of her direwolf sort of kills the Stark in her, and just now is she starting to become more Starky. The same thing with Arya, her sending her wolf away to save her from getting killed foreshadowed her getting lost herself, and beginning her path to becomming no one (If Arya's path back to finding her family and herself doesn't start withh her finding her wolf, I will be dissapointed). Robb died, and they killed his wolf, which made the death even stronger (especially if you take into account that the Stark are wargers). So when they now go on to randomly kill Shaggydog what does this symbolize, does it foreshadow a Rickon death? If not, what does it symbolize? Nothing? Then it is lazy writing imo. If it symbolize Rickon dieing it sucks as well, because I am tired of them fucking up the Starks.
And finally I don't get the Olly hate really. To me it was a heartfelt moment when Jon hanged him. Olly had every reason to hate the wildlings. Yes he shot Ygritte, which sucked, but from his perspective he shot a wildling, one of those who killed his parants. Yes he stabbed Jon in the heart. He killed Jon who saved the people Olly hated the most, he killed Jon who to Olly was a traitor. Olly's motives for doing what he did was very understandable and didn't come from an evil mind, it came from a place of vengance and grief. Olly's motives make perfect sense to me, and I feel more compassion towards him than hate. And as a final note Olly stabbing Jon in the heart is what have made Jon what he is now. If he is Azor Ahai, Olly played an important part in Jons transformation, by doing the killing. It very much resembles the story where Judas betrayes Jesus. even though Judas' betrayal was far worse, motivated by greed.
agreed with most, and as ive said, if Umbers -- even when they were led by a guy who supposedly hated his father and wanted him dead along with the King in the North -- refused to kneel before someone as scary as Roose Bolton >the moment< he declared himself Warden of the North, why would they change their mind >>now<< when an unproven sadistic boy who no one respects lords over Winterfell? "your father was a cunt" is no explanation at all. in fact, Roose helping get rid of the father you didnt like is the very reason why Umber heir should have supported him as soon as he found out the news, and not now, when its most convenient for the writers to + Show Spoiler +probably sacrifice another Stark to make Jon miserable and bastard-bowl more "epic"
same goes for lord Karstark standing by and idling while Ramsay kills a man he swore fealty to. if he had struck him down, in front of a witness (maester whats his name) Karstarks as blood-kin of the Starks would be next in line to rule the North. remember, Sansa was already gone from Winterfall so Ramsays claim was at its weakest.
but oh well, rest of it is pretty good. im just waiting for an episode to end with "the north remembers", so excuse my saltiness
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they should've made pycelle shart instead, you know get some juicy sounds in there and have everyone grimace as if they smelled something. would've made that scene a whole lot better imo and gave kevan another reason to leave the room
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Germany25657 Posts
I like that Jon was stabbed by six people (including olly), but they only hanged 4. Even if the guy that crossbowed wun-wun was one of them, theres still 1 guy left. He lucked out 
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On May 10 2016 02:17 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 01:57 Scorch wrote:On May 10 2016 00:05 Dante08 wrote:
Dam the starks cannot catch a break lol, Sansa escapes and Rickon gets captured now.
By the way can someone explain why the High Sparrow is so powerful? Can't the King just walk in with an army get Margaery and Loras out? The High Sparrow has a considerable number of armed clerics at his disposal. More importantly, he holds the queen hostage, so any attack might result in her death. And he has the support of the common people, and the crown cannot risk an uprising. His armed men apparently refuse to wear armors and to bear any sharp weapon though, so they shouldn't be that much of a trouble. The two other points are true though.
Most soldiers in medieval times couldn't really afford armor. And blunt weapons work better against heavy armor compared to sharp weapons.
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Zurich15361 Posts
I am totally hoping that Umber is a ruse, that the wolf's head is fake, and that he will try to gain Ramsay's trust to finally betray him and revenge his house and the Starks'.
I man can wish for.
I thought it was an awesome episode!
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On May 10 2016 06:29 zatic wrote:
I am totally hoping that Umber is a ruse, that the wolf's head is fake, and that he will try to gain Ramsay's trust to finally betray him and revenge his house and the Starks'.
I man can wish for.
I thought it was an awesome episode!
This would be an awesome twist, if done proparly. But I can only imagine the rage ifpeople are denied of bastardbowl. So I don't think it is likely. Also risking Rickon like that to take out Ramsey when they instead could just announce to the north that they have the only known living heir to Winterfell and gather the northmens under his banner and just crush Ramsey like that seems abit strange.
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I rly like tower of joy flashback, dunno why ppl complaining about best swordsman beating mostly common warriors.
Interesting turnover with high sparrow and Tommen, as well as I don't get why the high council refused to take Jaime and Cersei, they still got some powers.
And yet we got more questions than answers! :D
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I don't mind the dual wielding guy idea.. but common. People that fought like that ( very few too ) did use a way shorter sword in offhand.
You don't dual wield two 2 foot longswords ffs
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On May 10 2016 07:09 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I rly like tower of joy flashback, dunno why ppl complaining about best swordsman beating mostly common warriors.
Interesting turnover with high sparrow and Tommen, as well as I don't get why the high council refused to take Jaime and Cersei, they still got some powers.
And yet we got more questions than answers! :D
The council was because Twyin's brother is trying to wrestle power away from Jaime/Cersei as shown last season (and as Hand of the King he outranks them) and Olenna has obvious reasons to fight Cersei. Outside of Tommen himself they are now the most powerful man and woman in Westeros.
Pycell following seems to indicate he has shifted his allegiance to House Lannister(and therefor Tywins brother) rather then Cersei personally.
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On May 10 2016 07:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 07:09 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
I rly like tower of joy flashback, dunno why ppl complaining about best swordsman beating mostly common warriors.
Interesting turnover with high sparrow and Tommen, as well as I don't get why the high council refused to take Jaime and Cersei, they still got some powers.
And yet we got more questions than answers! :D The council was because Twyin's brother is trying to wrestle power away from Jaime/Cersei as shown last season (and as Hand of the King he outranks them) and Olenna has obvious reasons to fight Cersei. Outside of Tommen himself they are now the most powerful man and woman in Westeros. Pycell following seems to indicate he has shifted his allegiance to House Lannister(and therefor Tywins brother) rather then Cersei personally.
I think they'll realise eventually what golden twins means for council, they are too important to be ignored.
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On May 10 2016 06:29 zatic wrote:
I am totally hoping that Umber is a ruse, that the wolf's head is fake, and that he will try to gain Ramsay's trust to finally betray him and revenge his house and the Starks'.
I man can wish for.
I thought it was an awesome episode!
How do you fake a dire wolf head though? Does not seem likely.
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On May 10 2016 09:17 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 06:29 zatic wrote:
I am totally hoping that Umber is a ruse, that the wolf's head is fake, and that he will try to gain Ramsay's trust to finally betray him and revenge his house and the Starks'.
I man can wish for.
I thought it was an awesome episode! How do you fake a dire wolf head though? Does not seem likely.
Wolf head is a deposit into Ramsay's bank of trust. Actually it is interesting theory, Umber refused to knee - it shows some disrespect? Also he called Roose as a cunt few times, Ramsay may throw this with Umbers also.
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