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but wouldnt someone as smart as LF know that lannisters are currently preoccupied with so much other stuff that pissing them off by marrying Sansa (ONLY suspected of murdering King Joffrey) to house Bolton (who tywin as hand of king declared rightful wardens of the north) would have no effect?
i mean, lannisters are so weak at the moment they dont even hold KL, the faith does. two alive pretenders to the crown, stannis and balon, were left alone for far to long to spread rumors and false claims about kings lineage, so they didnt even finish squashing the rebellion yet (others did that). not to mention the power struggle with tyrells, dorne challenging the crown even when tywin was alive, internal bickering with Kevan... and lets not forget the bankers.
oh yeah, even roose bolton decided that lannisters are fucked when tywin died, and that its more worth it to unite the north under house bolton (by marrying sansa) than keep the alliance with lannisters (who want her dead / married)...
also, freys who currently rule riverlands are allied both to boltons and lannisters, and if they should side with the north, what can one house without allies actually do? how do you get past the twins? their fleet is sunk. and how do you keep KL if you march for north? you let tyrells march in and take complete control + Show Spoiler +(by the looks of trailer, that will happen either way)
this is why i hate what they did to roose who married a frey, stakes would have been much higher with him alive, ramsay killing his step-mother is such stupidly wrong decision it baffles me, even if he lied to her face about roose being poisoned, do you think old fart Frey would really care as long as his grandson lived to rule winterfell? 16 years of regency for ramsay to get the north united and then kill his brother in a hunting accident OR enemies with freys, lannisters, and half of the north? dat ramsay eh...
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the guy above said baelish was angling to get help from the lannisters, I was simply pointing out that this will not happen
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On May 10 2016 23:46 KOFgokuon wrote:
the guy above said baelish was angling to get help from the lannisters, I was simply pointing out that this will not happen
i dont think he meant LF would help lannisters. he said help from the lannisters in the sense that vale stands idle and conserves its manpower, while freys and lannisters bleed in the north, where winter already started. and then he jumps in, maybe with dorne as allies too. you restore tullys and starks, and march for KL. its a diabolical plan and i agree its worthy of LF, but ONLY IF lannisters werent so fucked in the first place, which they obviously are. so much so that roose decided to risk war with them, and he doesnt even have North consolidated yet. so why is LF worrying about them, shouldnt he be chatting up lady olena or the sand snakes and marrying Sansa himself?
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Jesus Christ, little sam is still a fucking 1 year old...
At this point they really should put emphasis on how much time passed since the beginning of the show because the rate of growth of all the characters is so confusing I have no idea how old any of the characters are.
At this point I have no clue if Tommen is 12 or 18 and it makes a pretty big difference in the way I judge his character and the political struggles surrounding him.
The worst part is that even the actors don't know...
In a subsequent interview with Vulture.com, Dean-Charles Chapman revealed that the writers never told him how old Tommen is, and he assumed he was still 12 years old, based specifically on the fact that he was said to be 8 years old four years before in Season 1. He even tries to play him younger by user a higher pitched voice than his normal speaking voice. Chapman said: "It's kind of hard to get in the mind of a 12-year-old, because I can't even remember being 12. And Tommen is so young, he's like a baby." The same interview, however, postulated that the character might have been aged-up when he was recast, and that Chapman just assumed he is 12 years old because the writers never specified how old Tommen is
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On May 11 2016 00:04 Diavlo wrote:Jesus Christ, little sam is still a fucking 1 year old... At this point they really should put emphasis on how much time passed since the beginning of the show because the rate of growth of all the characters is so confusing I have no idea how old any of the characters are. At this point I have no clue if Tommen is 12 or 18 and it makes a pretty big difference in the way I judge his character and the political struggles surrounding him. The worst part is that even the actors don't know... Show nested quote +In a subsequent interview with Vulture.com, Dean-Charles Chapman revealed that the writers never told him how old Tommen is, and he assumed he was still 12 years old, based specifically on the fact that he was said to be 8 years old four years before in Season 1. He even tries to play him younger by user a higher pitched voice than his normal speaking voice. Chapman said: "It's kind of hard to get in the mind of a 12-year-old, because I can't even remember being 12. And Tommen is so young, he's like a baby." The same interview, however, postulated that the character might have been aged-up when he was recast, and that Chapman just assumed he is 12 years old because the writers never specified how old Tommen is
Tommen got retconned to be older.
Basic date structure of the show atm:
Robert's Rebellion is in the year 281
Greyjoy's Rebellion is in the year 289
Season 1 takes place in the year 298
Season 2 takes place in the year 299
and so on with each season being a year.
So we're in 303 right now.
The one exception is Tommen. Officially he was 14 when the show started. He's 19 now, same age Joffrey was when he died.
Source: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline#King_Robert.27s_Reign
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On an unrelated note, Blackfish is cast for Season 6. We're going to see the Tullys again!
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On May 11 2016 00:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On an unrelated note, Blackfish is cast for Season 6. We're going to see the Tullys again!
Same actor as S3?
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On May 11 2016 00:51 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 00:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On an unrelated note, Blackfish is cast for Season 6. We're going to see the Tullys again! Same actor as S3?
Same one. Also the bit of exposition they do at the beginning of each season mentions him by name:
In the Riverlands, after the Red Wedding the remaining Tully forces (who were not present at the massacre of their Northern allies) pulled back to Riverrun castle - where they have been hopelessly besieged by House Frey's army ever since. The garrison is under the command of Robb Stark's great-uncle Brynden "The Blackfish" Tully, and is the last bastion of Robb's short-lived independent kingdom that remains unconquered. Riverrun's garrison may be surrounded and alone, fighting for a dead king, but their defenses are formidable, they have enough food supplies to last for years, and their commander is one of the most experienced and skilled generals in Westeros. The Lannisters and their Frey allies cannot let the siege of Riverrun continue to drag on if they are ever to claim real control over central Westeros.
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On May 11 2016 00:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 00:04 Diavlo wrote:Jesus Christ, little sam is still a fucking 1 year old... At this point they really should put emphasis on how much time passed since the beginning of the show because the rate of growth of all the characters is so confusing I have no idea how old any of the characters are. At this point I have no clue if Tommen is 12 or 18 and it makes a pretty big difference in the way I judge his character and the political struggles surrounding him. The worst part is that even the actors don't know... In a subsequent interview with Vulture.com, Dean-Charles Chapman revealed that the writers never told him how old Tommen is, and he assumed he was still 12 years old, based specifically on the fact that he was said to be 8 years old four years before in Season 1. He even tries to play him younger by user a higher pitched voice than his normal speaking voice. Chapman said: "It's kind of hard to get in the mind of a 12-year-old, because I can't even remember being 12. And Tommen is so young, he's like a baby." The same interview, however, postulated that the character might have been aged-up when he was recast, and that Chapman just assumed he is 12 years old because the writers never specified how old Tommen is Tommen got retconned to be older. Basic date structure of the show atm: Robert's Rebellion is in the year 281 Greyjoy's Rebellion is in the year 289 Season 1 takes place in the year 298 Season 2 takes place in the year 299 and so on with each season being a year. So we're in 303 right now. The one exception is Tommen. Officially he was 14 when the show started. He's 19 now, same age Joffrey was when he died. Source: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline#King_Robert.27s_Reign
Am I the only one bothered by this? Changing the age of a character midway through by 5 years seems so stupid to me.
For example when Margaery comes into Tommen's room to seduce him I thought he was 12-13 years old which showed to what length she would go to to be the queen, hitting on what would be a kid to her. And his reaction is what I would expect for a kid that age. But he's supposed to be 17? Wtf...
And if each season is around a year, how is little sam was still a baby in season 5 and now looks like a 1 year old.
Reading the source you gave it seems like the writer make it on the fly which is so bad when you consider the amount of material they have.
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So I'm kind of wondering what's Arya's pertinence to the story now. If she's "no one" as they lose no opportunity to remind us, then the girl formerly known as Arya is kinda dead (maybe?) and she's therefore unable to exert her death wish upon people whom she now has no reason to particularly dislike since she's not actually Arya.
Are the faceless bros going to allow her to be kind of Arya-ish and kill some of the people she wants dead or is it going in a completely different direction? Are we going to get 2 more seasons of boring montage? Or is she now just a gear in the Faceless bros big machine? Looking forward to something happening on that front.
Also the Dany arch seems to just be filler, delaying actual things that matter from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe something important will happen in Vaes Dothrak but it seems like they just wanted to yank her out of Meereen to get Tyrion and Varys to advance the plot. I guess my buddy might be right, maybe she's going to acquire an army of Dothraki out of it, but it seems to me like she's on a sidequest. There's still the same problem that not only the dothraki won't go onto ships, the ships have burned down anyway and plus they don't have any reason for now to follow her in any of her bullshit adventures.
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On May 11 2016 03:09 Djzapz wrote:
So I'm kind of wondering what's Arya's pertinence to the story now. If she's "no one" as they lose no opportunity to remind us, then the girl formerly known as Arya is kinda dead (maybe?) and she's therefore unable to exert her death wish upon people whom she now has no reason to particularly dislike since she's not actually Arya.
Are the faceless bros going to allow her to be kind of Arya-ish and kill some of the people she wants dead or is it going in a completely different direction? Are we going to get 2 more seasons of boring montage? Or is she now just a gear in the Faceless bros big machine? Looking forward to something happening on that front.
Also the Dany arch seems to just be filler, delaying actual things that matter from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe something important will happen in Vaes Dothrak but it seems like they just wanted to yank her out of Meereen to get Tyrion and Varys to advance the plot.
I am of the opinion the faceless will send her to kill Jon. Because he has given up the gift of death or something. Dany's arch is meant to give her the army she needs to conquer westeros.
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On May 11 2016 03:16 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:09 Djzapz wrote:
So I'm kind of wondering what's Arya's pertinence to the story now. If she's "no one" as they lose no opportunity to remind us, then the girl formerly known as Arya is kinda dead (maybe?) and she's therefore unable to exert her death wish upon people whom she now has no reason to particularly dislike since she's not actually Arya.
Are the faceless bros going to allow her to be kind of Arya-ish and kill some of the people she wants dead or is it going in a completely different direction? Are we going to get 2 more seasons of boring montage? Or is she now just a gear in the Faceless bros big machine? Looking forward to something happening on that front.
Also the Dany arch seems to just be filler, delaying actual things that matter from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe something important will happen in Vaes Dothrak but it seems like they just wanted to yank her out of Meereen to get Tyrion and Varys to advance the plot. I am of the opinion the faceless will send her to kill Jon. Because he has given up the gift of death or something. Dany's arch is meant to give her the army she needs to conquer westeros.
Still seems like they're holding it back like she's fiddling in the cities and she wants to conquer Westeros but also her ships burned down. Will her adventures in Vaes Dothrak result in anything? I guess maybe it'll allow her to defend that city no one cares about and then she'll rebuild ships and it's just all going to happen later.
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On May 11 2016 03:19 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:16 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:09 Djzapz wrote:
So I'm kind of wondering what's Arya's pertinence to the story now. If she's "no one" as they lose no opportunity to remind us, then the girl formerly known as Arya is kinda dead (maybe?) and she's therefore unable to exert her death wish upon people whom she now has no reason to particularly dislike since she's not actually Arya.
Are the faceless bros going to allow her to be kind of Arya-ish and kill some of the people she wants dead or is it going in a completely different direction? Are we going to get 2 more seasons of boring montage? Or is she now just a gear in the Faceless bros big machine? Looking forward to something happening on that front.
Also the Dany arch seems to just be filler, delaying actual things that matter from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe something important will happen in Vaes Dothrak but it seems like they just wanted to yank her out of Meereen to get Tyrion and Varys to advance the plot. I am of the opinion the faceless will send her to kill Jon. Because he has given up the gift of death or something. Dany's arch is meant to give her the army she needs to conquer westeros. Still seems like they're holding it back like she's fiddling in the cities and she wants to conquer Westeros but also her ships burned down. Will her adventures in Vaes Dothrak result in anything? I guess maybe it'll allow her to defend that city no one cares about and then she'll rebuild ships and it's just all going to happen later.
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On May 11 2016 03:19 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:16 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:09 Djzapz wrote:
So I'm kind of wondering what's Arya's pertinence to the story now. If she's "no one" as they lose no opportunity to remind us, then the girl formerly known as Arya is kinda dead (maybe?) and she's therefore unable to exert her death wish upon people whom she now has no reason to particularly dislike since she's not actually Arya.
Are the faceless bros going to allow her to be kind of Arya-ish and kill some of the people she wants dead or is it going in a completely different direction? Are we going to get 2 more seasons of boring montage? Or is she now just a gear in the Faceless bros big machine? Looking forward to something happening on that front.
Also the Dany arch seems to just be filler, delaying actual things that matter from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe something important will happen in Vaes Dothrak but it seems like they just wanted to yank her out of Meereen to get Tyrion and Varys to advance the plot. I am of the opinion the faceless will send her to kill Jon. Because he has given up the gift of death or something. Dany's arch is meant to give her the army she needs to conquer westeros. Still seems like they're holding it back like she's fiddling in the cities and she wants to conquer Westeros but also her ships burned down. Will her adventures in Vaes Dothrak result in anything? I guess maybe it'll allow her to defend that city no one cares about and then she'll rebuild ships and it's just all going to happen later.
Five seasons in and you're still trying to work out how Dany's plot could become immediately relevant to anything else in the story. You're an optimist at least.
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On May 11 2016 03:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:19 Djzapz wrote:On May 11 2016 03:16 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:09 Djzapz wrote:
So I'm kind of wondering what's Arya's pertinence to the story now. If she's "no one" as they lose no opportunity to remind us, then the girl formerly known as Arya is kinda dead (maybe?) and she's therefore unable to exert her death wish upon people whom she now has no reason to particularly dislike since she's not actually Arya.
Are the faceless bros going to allow her to be kind of Arya-ish and kill some of the people she wants dead or is it going in a completely different direction? Are we going to get 2 more seasons of boring montage? Or is she now just a gear in the Faceless bros big machine? Looking forward to something happening on that front.
Also the Dany arch seems to just be filler, delaying actual things that matter from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe something important will happen in Vaes Dothrak but it seems like they just wanted to yank her out of Meereen to get Tyrion and Varys to advance the plot. I am of the opinion the faceless will send her to kill Jon. Because he has given up the gift of death or something. Dany's arch is meant to give her the army she needs to conquer westeros. Still seems like they're holding it back like she's fiddling in the cities and she wants to conquer Westeros but also her ships burned down. Will her adventures in Vaes Dothrak result in anything? I guess maybe it'll allow her to defend that city no one cares about and then she'll rebuild ships and it's just all going to happen later. Five seasons in and you're still trying to work out how Dany's plot could become immediately relevant to anything else in the story. You're an optimist at least.
I've been called many things. Optimist is not one of them.
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On May 10 2016 23:36 KOFgokuon wrote:
from next episode's preview he's back in the vale
Please use spoiler tags for information from the previews, as indicated in the admin message at the top
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On May 11 2016 04:18 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 23:36 KOFgokuon wrote:
from next episode's preview he's back in the vale Please use spoiler tags for information from the previews, as indicated in the admin message at the top
While I agree with this, it's an information we already knew from Season 5.
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On May 11 2016 02:51 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 00:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 11 2016 00:04 Diavlo wrote:Jesus Christ, little sam is still a fucking 1 year old... At this point they really should put emphasis on how much time passed since the beginning of the show because the rate of growth of all the characters is so confusing I have no idea how old any of the characters are. At this point I have no clue if Tommen is 12 or 18 and it makes a pretty big difference in the way I judge his character and the political struggles surrounding him. The worst part is that even the actors don't know... In a subsequent interview with Vulture.com, Dean-Charles Chapman revealed that the writers never told him how old Tommen is, and he assumed he was still 12 years old, based specifically on the fact that he was said to be 8 years old four years before in Season 1. He even tries to play him younger by user a higher pitched voice than his normal speaking voice. Chapman said: "It's kind of hard to get in the mind of a 12-year-old, because I can't even remember being 12. And Tommen is so young, he's like a baby." The same interview, however, postulated that the character might have been aged-up when he was recast, and that Chapman just assumed he is 12 years old because the writers never specified how old Tommen is Tommen got retconned to be older. Basic date structure of the show atm: Robert's Rebellion is in the year 281 Greyjoy's Rebellion is in the year 289 Season 1 takes place in the year 298 Season 2 takes place in the year 299 and so on with each season being a year. So we're in 303 right now. The one exception is Tommen. Officially he was 14 when the show started. He's 19 now, same age Joffrey was when he died. Source: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline#King_Robert.27s_Reign Am I the only one bothered by this? Changing the age of a character midway through by 5 years seems so stupid to me. For example when Margaery comes into Tommen's room to seduce him I thought he was 12-13 years old which showed to what length she would go to to be the queen, hitting on what would be a kid to her. And his reaction is what I would expect for a kid that age. But he's supposed to be 17? Wtf... And if each season is around a year, how is little sam was still a baby in season 5 and now looks like a 1 year old. Reading the source you gave it seems like the writer make it on the fly which is so bad when you consider the amount of material they have.
There's reasons for all of it, but they all happen to draw on differences between the show and the books so I won't talk about it here. Little Sam should be older though, I think he's 3 now, ready to walk.
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On May 11 2016 06:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 02:51 Diavlo wrote:On May 11 2016 00:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 11 2016 00:04 Diavlo wrote:Jesus Christ, little sam is still a fucking 1 year old... At this point they really should put emphasis on how much time passed since the beginning of the show because the rate of growth of all the characters is so confusing I have no idea how old any of the characters are. At this point I have no clue if Tommen is 12 or 18 and it makes a pretty big difference in the way I judge his character and the political struggles surrounding him. The worst part is that even the actors don't know... In a subsequent interview with Vulture.com, Dean-Charles Chapman revealed that the writers never told him how old Tommen is, and he assumed he was still 12 years old, based specifically on the fact that he was said to be 8 years old four years before in Season 1. He even tries to play him younger by user a higher pitched voice than his normal speaking voice. Chapman said: "It's kind of hard to get in the mind of a 12-year-old, because I can't even remember being 12. And Tommen is so young, he's like a baby." The same interview, however, postulated that the character might have been aged-up when he was recast, and that Chapman just assumed he is 12 years old because the writers never specified how old Tommen is Tommen got retconned to be older. Basic date structure of the show atm: Robert's Rebellion is in the year 281 Greyjoy's Rebellion is in the year 289 Season 1 takes place in the year 298 Season 2 takes place in the year 299 and so on with each season being a year. So we're in 303 right now. The one exception is Tommen. Officially he was 14 when the show started. He's 19 now, same age Joffrey was when he died. Source: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline#King_Robert.27s_Reign Am I the only one bothered by this? Changing the age of a character midway through by 5 years seems so stupid to me. For example when Margaery comes into Tommen's room to seduce him I thought he was 12-13 years old which showed to what length she would go to to be the queen, hitting on what would be a kid to her. And his reaction is what I would expect for a kid that age. But he's supposed to be 17? Wtf... And if each season is around a year, how is little sam was still a baby in season 5 and now looks like a 1 year old. Reading the source you gave it seems like the writer make it on the fly which is so bad when you consider the amount of material they have. There's reasons for all of it, but they all happen to draw on differences between the show and the books so I won't talk about it here. Little Sam should be older though, I think he's 3 now, ready to walk.
I think a lot of the characters had to be older to make certain storylines filmable. Like if Sansa was still a teenager her marriage to Ramsay would have gone over even worse than it already did. Tommen and Margery might have been a no-go too, especially the scene where they're lying naked in bed, but that wasn't the most vital of scenes so whatever...
But it is pretty jarring to see Rickon and Bran start off as little kids and end up as teenagers now. I guess it makes us feel like the northerners do when you see grown-up Rickon and it's like... who's that supposed to be (especially since they don't have the internet to tell us it's the same actor =p)?
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