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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 05 2015 13:04 GMT
#27701
+ Show Spoiler [S05E09] +

Supposedly a hidden frame from the promo for the episode.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22102 Posts
June 05 2015 13:15 GMT
#27702
On June 05 2015 21:46 GoTuNk! wrote:
I have a question

White Walker respawn hability has any requirements?

Like, in an all out war that takes hours/days at the wall do they get an extra soldier whenever they kill a crow/wilding ? That seems terribly imbalanced

Life (and Death) doesn't care about balance.

The skeletons themselves get back up in seconds, that much we know from the attacks on both the wooden palisade and the ones throwing themselves off the cliff.

People seem to be slightly different. The White Walker at the end seemed to be raising them but the 2 dead brought to Castle Black way back in season 1 or 2 got up on their own accord, presumably.

I would hazard a guess anyone who dies from a Walker or maybe near one will rise eventually with the Walkers being able to accelerate the process.
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4603 Posts
June 05 2015 13:21 GMT
#27703
Walker White :D

Of course somebody else on the internet was already on this so here is a picture... Probably a spoiler.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 13:23:06
June 05 2015 13:22 GMT
#27704
anyone else think that walker that died looked a bit like tywin (its no way him lol i just thought it looked like tywin)
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
June 05 2015 13:28 GMT
#27705
I thought it was the same guy that Sam saw at the end of Season 2? I think it was season 2^^
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22102 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 13:45:10
June 05 2015 13:43 GMT
#27706
On June 05 2015 22:28 KadaverBB wrote:
I thought it was the same guy that Sam saw at the end of Season 2? I think it was season 2^^

Nah, the one from Season 2 didnt have a beard like the one John killed. I went back and checked because it would have been kinda cool if it was

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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
June 05 2015 13:53 GMT
#27707
HE COULD HAVE GROWN A BEARD DURING THAT TIME! I BELIEVE
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22102 Posts
June 05 2015 14:17 GMT
#27708
On June 05 2015 22:53 KadaverBB wrote:
HE COULD HAVE GROWN A BEARD DURING THAT TIME! I BELIEVE

Fine, fine. Yes he could have. The s2 one has the beginnings of a beard? :p
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 17:57:54
June 05 2015 17:49 GMT
#27709
Yes! I have found a place to vent about GoT that doesn't require signing up on any new forums!

Holy shit has this season been awful. I'm not talking "this doesn't quite deserve the 92 it got on Metacritic" awful, I'm talking "this isn't renewable" awful. I'll leave my criticisms to just one story right now, the Faith Militant.

1. There's suddenly a religion in King's Landing? It turns out? That's interesting, because in five seasons of show, no one in KL has expressed any interest in religion or prayer or anything of the sort, certainly not to a degree that would warrant a religion taking over the entire city, and suddenly in the space of two episodes it took over the entire city. Because apparently the people are unhappy... because... I don't know why the people are unhappy, we haven't seen any regular people in King's Landing since before Joffrey was killed. I would have assumed that the saintly, Mother-Theresa-esque Margaery being Queen would have placated the masses, but uh... turns out no? Because unproven allegations of incest > all? K.

2. How is the Faith Militant untouchable, exactly? They're a bunch of dudes, wearing dresses, armed with cudgels. Surely between the Lannister army, the Tyrell army, the King's Guard and the Gold Cloaks, there's enough army to beat a couple hundred armed, starving peasants? You'd think? Cersei's explanation that "they might kill Margaery" might have fooled Tommen, if he's really dumb, but it doesn't fool me and it shouldn't fool any Tyrells who remain free. The Faith obviously cares about the letter of the law more than the spirit of the law, they wouldn't start executing prisoners just because another branch of government becomes corrupt (in their eyes) and tries to take them on.

Littlefinger takes Olenna's threat that her people will track him down and cut him up into little pieces seriously, even though he's got a kingdom and a personal army and he's the most elusive man on the planet. But the Faith Militant, untrained nobodies, these guys have nothing to fear? Assassins who can stealthily sneak into the temple and rescue Margaery have stopped existing? Olenna can't pay someone to fake converting to the Faith and rescue Ser Loris and Margaery from inside? How is any of this a fucking problem to people who literally own kingdoms and have servants who will gladly die for them?

3. How did the Faith Militant get so popular with the common folk, anyway? The Faith dislikes sex, alcohol, and Margaery Tyrell. Pretty sure those are three things that the common folk like very much, and the worst charge laid at Margaery so far is... an unproven, white lie? Yeah, that'll sure turn the country against her after everything she did for them during Joffrey's reign.

4. Speaking of weak accusations, why did Ser Loris get all huffy and puffy when his squire, the one who personally dresses him, proved nothing more than that he has seen Ser Loris naked? Isn't the correct response to say "he's my squire, duh"?

5. Why did Margaery go to the hearing without an army, if she knows that this sect is crazy enough to kidnap her brother? Bad PR? There aren't any cell phones in King's Landing, she's not in danger of being overheard. If she says the High Sparrow became corrupt and tried to kill everyone and she had to put him down, no one will know otherwise. She's got a good resume while the High Sparrow is an unknown new entity coming into boatloads of power that he never had before, I don't see why she's terrified that people wouldn't believe her.

6. What were Cersei's motivations this season, exactly? The usual line is "she cares about her children more than anything," except when her only child in King's Landing tells her in no uncertain terms that he is perfectly miserable and despondent because Margaery, the love of his life, is gone, her response is to... give precisely zero fucks? Because apparently screwing Margaery over is more important than her children this season? Uh, OK.

7. So... how fucking dumb is Cersei? The best/only way to go after Margaery that she considered was arming and unleashing an autonomous militant religious sect on the entire city? And crossing her fingers that it wouldn't go after her... or anyone she likes... or anyone that she merely needs and would be inconvenienced to see in a prison cell? That is the best way she could think of to get rid of a human being she doesn't like for dumb reasons? What's the next step in Cersei's diabolical plan, crossing her fingers that Tommen never again in his life sleeps with a woman who might influence him against her? Like ANY sane woman would do? Like what is this I don't even.

8. And how dumb is Olenna Tyrell? The High Sparrow had to explain to her like 10 times, using different words but saying the same thing, that he doesn't care about money. Revolutionary concept. OK, I get it, head of a rich family, this is brand new territory to her (really? She has never in her very long life met anyone who had other priorities than money? Like her servants?), but it takes his ten times repeating it for her to clue in? Surely, as a shrewd and manipulative woman, one of the first lessons she learned was NOT TIPPING HER HAND? As in, not allowing her enemy to see her grasping when she has no idea what this enemy wants? Which is exactly what she does in that scene, like a pathetic amateur?

9. Why has everyone in King's Landing forgotten that they can torture people? Why doesn't Olenna covertly capture the High Sparrow while he's walking around town, and torture the living daylights out of him? I'm talking digging splinters under fingernails, sleep deprivation, capturing the High Sparrow's living family members and doing that shit to them while telling him that the only way to stop it is by releasing Margaery and Loris? Sure, it could turn out to be the case that the High Sparrow is so principled even the torture of his loved ones won't work (in which case kill him, capture another higher-up within the organization, and rinse and repeat; eventually someone will crack; they're religious, not aliens). But at least it would feel good.

This is the most absurdly preposterous storyline in a season filled with preposterous storylines, and it's absolutely unforgivable because the writers KNEW WHERE THE STORY WAS GOING YEARS IN ADVANCE. They KNEW that "what the people of King's Landing think" is important and deliberately chose not to give us any of it until the very last possible second. They KNEW that the state of religion in King's Landing is important and deliberately chose not to make it a factor on the show until the very last possible second.

Why should I care about what happens in King's Landing, to any of these characters, when they're all clearly too dumb to live? I thought these guys were supposed to be players in the game of thrones. Instead, their scheming and problem-solving skills are decidedly elementary-school grade.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22102 Posts
June 05 2015 18:02 GMT
#27710
pretty sure every single one of your rant points has already been discussed.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43593 Posts
June 05 2015 18:04 GMT
#27711
The point that the writers should be able to show the seeds for this shit ahead of time was a good one that I've not seen before. He's right about that, they know where it's going, things should come together rather than just happen out of nowhere.
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 18:07:15
June 05 2015 18:04 GMT
#27712
On June 06 2015 03:02 Gorsameth wrote:
pretty sure every single one of your rant points has already been discussed.


I actually skimmed over the last 40 pages and didn't see it being discussed in any real detail.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
dbizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
June 05 2015 18:05 GMT
#27713
On June 05 2015 19:43 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 19:17 oGoZenob wrote:
also their tactic against white walkers is not to stand and fight, but to flee, so it makes sense that the place is lightly defended. It's not made to withstand attacks, it's made to delay them

But then it doesnt make any sense that they picked a place between a cliff and the sea. If they relied on fleeing from this place.


Between the cliff and sea you limit the armies to go into a choke point, remember stannis is mostly calvary, and again these are not battle hard troops, they are normal wildlings. They probably didn't expect the dead to bodyfall off cliffs either, I don't think anyone expected that.
dbizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
June 05 2015 18:15 GMT
#27714
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2015 02:49 pure.Wasted wrote:
Yes! I have found a place to vent about GoT that doesn't require signing up on any new forums!

Holy shit has this season been awful. I'm not talking "this doesn't quite deserve the 92 it got on Metacritic" awful, I'm talking "this isn't renewable" awful. I'll leave my criticisms to just one story right now, the Faith Militant.

1. There's suddenly a religion in King's Landing? It turns out? That's interesting, because in five seasons of show, no one in KL has expressed any interest in religion or prayer or anything of the sort, certainly not to a degree that would warrant a religion taking over the entire city, and suddenly in the space of two episodes it took over the entire city. Because apparently the people are unhappy... because... I don't know why the people are unhappy, we haven't seen any regular people in King's Landing since before Joffrey was killed. I would have assumed that the saintly, Mother-Theresa-esque Margaery being Queen would have placated the masses, but uh... turns out no? Because unproven allegations of incest > all? K.

2. How is the Faith Militant untouchable, exactly? They're a bunch of dudes, wearing dresses, armed with cudgels. Surely between the Lannister army, the Tyrell army, the King's Guard and the Gold Cloaks, there's enough army to beat a couple hundred armed, starving peasants? You'd think? Cersei's explanation that "they might kill Margaery" might have fooled Tommen, if he's really dumb, but it doesn't fool me and it shouldn't fool any Tyrells who remain free. The Faith obviously cares about the letter of the law more than the spirit of the law, they wouldn't start executing prisoners just because another branch of government becomes corrupt (in their eyes) and tries to take them on.

Littlefinger takes Olenna's threat that her people will track him down and cut him up into little pieces seriously, even though he's got a kingdom and a personal army and he's the most elusive man on the planet. But the Faith Militant, untrained nobodies, these guys have nothing to fear? Assassins who can stealthily sneak into the temple and rescue Margaery have stopped existing? Olenna can't pay someone to fake converting to the Faith and rescue Ser Loris and Margaery from inside? How is any of this a fucking problem to people who literally own kingdoms and have servants who will gladly die for them?

3. How did the Faith Militant get so popular with the common folk, anyway? The Faith dislikes sex, alcohol, and Margaery Tyrell. Pretty sure those are three things that the common folk like very much, and the worst charge laid at Margaery so far is... an unproven, white lie? Yeah, that'll sure turn the country against her after everything she did for them during Joffrey's reign.

4. Speaking of weak accusations, why did Ser Loris get all huffy and puffy when his squire, the one who personally dresses him, proved nothing more than that he has seen Ser Loris naked? Isn't the correct response to say "he's my squire, duh"?

5. Why did Margaery go to the hearing without an army, if she knows that this sect is crazy enough to kidnap her brother? Bad PR? There aren't any cell phones in King's Landing, she's not in danger of being overheard. If she says the High Sparrow became corrupt and tried to kill everyone and she had to put him down, no one will know otherwise. She's got a good resume while the High Sparrow is an unknown new entity coming into boatloads of power that he never had before, I don't see why she's terrified that people wouldn't believe her.

6. What were Cersei's motivations this season, exactly? The usual line is "she cares about her children more than anything," except when her only child in King's Landing tells her in no uncertain terms that he is perfectly miserable and despondent because Margaery, the love of his life, is gone, her response is to... give precisely zero fucks? Because apparently screwing Margaery over is more important than her children this season? Uh, OK.

7. So... how fucking dumb is Cersei? The best/only way to go after Margaery that she considered was arming and unleashing an autonomous militant religious sect on the entire city? And crossing her fingers that it wouldn't go after her... or anyone she likes... or anyone that she merely needs and would be inconvenienced to see in a prison cell? That is the best way she could think of to get rid of a human being she doesn't like for dumb reasons? What's the next step in Cersei's diabolical plan, crossing her fingers that Tommen never again in his life sleeps with a woman who might influence him against her? Like ANY sane woman would do? Like what is this I don't even.

8. And how dumb is Olenna Tyrell? The High Sparrow had to explain to her like 10 times, using different words but saying the same thing, that he doesn't care about money. Revolutionary concept. OK, I get it, head of a rich family, this is brand new territory to her (really? She has never in her very long life met anyone who had other priorities than money? Like her servants?), but it takes his ten times repeating it for her to clue in? Surely, as a shrewd and manipulative woman, one of the first lessons she learned was NOT TIPPING HER HAND? As in, not allowing her enemy to see her grasping when she has no idea what this enemy wants? Which is exactly what she does in that scene, like a pathetic amateur?

9. Why has everyone in King's Landing forgotten that they can torture people? Why doesn't Olenna covertly capture the High Sparrow while he's walking around town, and torture the living daylights out of him? I'm talking digging splinters under fingernails, sleep deprivation, capturing the High Sparrow's living family members and doing that shit to them while telling him that the only way to stop it is by releasing Margaery and Loris? Sure, it could turn out to be the case that the High Sparrow is so principled even the torture of his loved ones won't work (in which case kill him, capture another higher-up within the organization, and rinse and repeat; eventually someone will crack; they're religious, not aliens). But at least it would feel good.

This is the most absurdly preposterous storyline in a season filled with preposterous storylines, and it's absolutely unforgivable because the writers KNEW WHERE THE STORY WAS GOING YEARS IN ADVANCE. They KNEW that "what the people of King's Landing think" is important and deliberately chose not to give us any of it until the very last possible second. They KNEW that the state of religion in King's Landing is important and deliberately chose not to make it a factor on the show until the very last possible second.

Why should I care about what happens in King's Landing, to any of these characters, when they're all clearly too dumb to live? I thought these guys were supposed to be players in the game of thrones. Instead, their scheming and problem-solving skills are decidedly elementary-school grade.



It seems like you haven't been paying attention at all

#1 GoT has always been super religious, just because the Lannisters do not believe as much as other families, everyone on the show is actually very devout, swearing by the gods is a huge core of the show.

#2/3 There are thousands of sparrows in the city, more popular with the poor people than the rich lords. Common people can relate to the sparrows because the common person has nothing in this show, everything is owned by rich lords.

#4 that guy was not a squire, he is a known man whore for little finger's establishment

#5 Tyrell army has left kings landing, they are fighting the war still, as for body guards, why would she expect anything when kings and queens has had absolute power for the last 400 years?

#6 Cercei thinks she is a female tywin, always plotting and scheming, but her plans have no long term value. She is too arrogant, rash and thinks she has absolute power.

#7/8 everyone has bowed and obeyed them ever since they were born, in GoT, Lords have power and would be like a Mayor in today's time. Rich and powerful only listen to the rich and powerful.

and going to ignore the rest since I will let the common sense kick in for you

Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22102 Posts
June 05 2015 18:26 GMT
#27715
Fine then.

1) Middle ages, people are generally religious. People are feeling bad, they just had a siege behind them, Armies and Rebels stalk the lands. People turn to religion. Hits of religioun are throughout the seasons. Tyrion and the guy talking about him as the Demon Monkey. "Brother and Sister lay in the bed of kings and we are surprised their spoils are rotten" ect ect.
2) They have the backing of the people, as shown by Tommens stand upon the steps of the Sept. Sure you can kill them but to do so you turn the streets of Kings Landing red with blood and as Tyrion said, "You may find it hard to rule over millions who want you dead".
2b) If Littlefinger was aware that Orlenna killed Joffrey then he very much knows her threat carries weight. And it is extremely likely he knows since he arranged for Sansa's escape.
3) As per point 1 people turn to religion when they have nothing left and as was shown in an easier episode when Cersei visited the High Sparrow while he was feeding the poor. Safe to assume plenty such 'aiding the poor' has been happening from them which bought the loyalty of the common people who's main concern is tonights dinner.
4) Show Trial set up by Cersei and i'm not sure the High Sparrow cares about physical evidence when it is said that Loras gay actions are a public secret.
5) She came with atleast 2 Kingsguard. Tobad Tommen lost his balls. One can assume more retainers were waiting outside but again. Tommen's balls.
6) I have often wondered about Cersei's present motivation and yes her main actions have been to thwart the Tyrell's. All series have been filled with scenes of Cersei playing the Game of Thrones badly. More bad moves are hardly out of character.
7) Shows in her dialog in the latest episode when talking to the (not)Maester. She thinks like a noble, the fact that the Sparrows faith is real and that he would betray her had not even accord to her indoctrinated mind.
8) I think your over-reacting on this one. She was trying to find a deeper meaning and didnt find it. So she now knows the Sparrows faith is real and will act accordingly.
9) Goodluck getting him without anyone ever seeing it and if you get it wrong your back to point 2 and the streets fill with blood. We dont even know how many soldiers the Tyrell's have near King's Landing. All we see are Lannisters.

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Ouija
Profile Joined December 2011
United States129 Posts
June 05 2015 18:29 GMT
#27716
Small thing to add to dbizzles post

#6 The first scene from this season answers this question for you. Cersei is worried about the prophecy she was told as a child and she believes that Margaery is this more beautiful woman who has come to push her aside and take everything that she holds dear.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 19:21:58
June 05 2015 19:07 GMT
#27717
On June 06 2015 03:15 dbizzle wrote:#1 GoT has always been super religious, just because the Lannisters do not believe as much as other families, everyone on the show is actually very devout, swearing by the gods is a huge core of the show.


So Winterfell and King's Landing are interchangeable? If the Starks pray to the gods every day, then I should take that to mean that every character in King's Landing, including the unnamed masses from whom we see and hear virtually nothing, is also very religious? And by "very religious" I mean "religious enough to want to see Biblical-style Judgement passed down on sinners"?

Because I thought the different lands in this world were actually different, the different characters were different, and the different religions were different, and I shouldn't assume anything about anyone unless I've seen it. And I also thought that religion in the real world, which GoT attempts to imitate, is a complicated thing, and saying thanks before eating dinner (the extent of religion in the show outside of Mellisandre's fire magic voodoo) doesn't automatically mean you want to see heretics burn.

#2/3 There are thousands of sparrows in the city, more popular with the poor people than the rich lords.


How do you know that there are thousands of Sparrows in the city? We certainly haven't seen that many, and I can't recall being told that there are that many. Where did they all come from? Have they always been there or are they a result of the war with the North? What sort of power did they have before Cersei empowered them? All questions I would have liked to know the answers to before these people came out of nowhere to take over the most important political location of the last 5 seasons.

Common people can relate to the sparrows because the common person has nothing in this show


The common people will have even less once the Sparrows outlaw alcohol and whore-houses.

See, the difference between us is you're cool with just filling in the gaps for the show, whereas I'm actually expecting it to live up to its reputation. You know what happens in the real world? Poor people who live in the booneys in the U.S. vote for the Republican party which is pro-business and anti-welfare. The real world is complicated. When something happens of a magnitude as huge as "the face of King's Landing has irrevocably changed," I want to see that change, I want to know why Margaery's reputation no longer means shit, I want to see rumors spread that Tommen is an incest-child and turn the population against him. I want this city to feel like an actual living, breathing city, instead of being told "don't worry about it, the Sparrows are in power now."

#4 that guy was not a squire, he is a known man whore for little finger's establishment


OK, Loras says that his squire must have met this prostitute and told him about the birthmark. Or he says that this prostitute is actually his squire, since he's been masquerading as one long enough to have a resume. Pretty much anything would have been better than "LIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!"

#5 Tyrell army has left kings landing, they are fighting the war still


What war? In what scenes? I haven't seen or heard of any wars since Robb died back in season 3. And if this is true, why does Littlefinger take Olenna's threat seriously, if he has an army and she does not?

as for bodyguards, why would she expect anything when kings and queens has had absolute power for the last 400 years?


Because no one has dreamed of taking Loras into custody for 30 years, and yet here we are. Things are obviously changing.

You're basically telling me that the Tyrells have zero clue about this Faith Militant movement, that is apparently as you say thousands strong, and yet they have no idea that these guys are legit and for real and will do anything to get their way. Even after Cersei officially gave them power (what, did no one else in the government or among the nobility hear about this? Is this a secret?) Even after they kidnapped Loras, no one in the Tyrell family bothered to do some detective work and find out some information on who it is they're going to be going up against in a trial?

#6 Cercei thinks she is a female tywin, always plotting and scheming, but her plans have no long term value. She is too arrogant, rash and thinks she has absolute power.


So if next season, Cersei concocts a scheme to let the White Walkers into King's Landing, you're going to be cool with that because she'll be "plotting and scheming" and her plan will have no "long term value"? As long as she's scheming dumbly, it doesn't really matter what she's scheming about, we're good and she's in-character?

What I am saying is that I do not understand what she thinks in her head. I do not understand why her petty grudge against Margaery is suddenly more important to her than the happiness of her child. I also don't understand why this woman who "thinks she has absolute power" had to invent a brand new branch of government to get rid of a single nuisance human being. What's wrong with poison?

It's one thing not to have forethought, it's another to be paranoid about people finding out that you're fucking your own brother, and then a few episodes later unleash a sanctimonious religious cult that answers to no one onto the city without a care in the world. You don't need to be as smart as Tywin to see that the religious cult may in fact find out about that thing you're paranoid about and then completely and totally ruin your life. Just being not the dumbest person on the planet should be enough.

#7/8 everyone has bowed and obeyed them ever since they were born, in GoT, Lords have power and would be like a Mayor in today's time. Rich and powerful only listen to the rich and powerful.


A mayor? In what country do you live in that mayors have absolutely no idea what goes on in their cities and what the people are like? Again, in defending Game of Thrones, you make the show seem shallow and insipid. More shallow than it actually is. What about Ned Stark? He was a lord with power, did he only listen to the rich and powerful, and similarly try to solve every problem by throwing money at it? Why should I assume that Olenna is a moron who just throws money at every problem, when that's not how all Lords have shown to behave on the show, and it explicitly contradicts the cunning and subterfuge she showed in dealing with Joffrey?
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lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
June 05 2015 19:12 GMT
#27718
For me personally I find this current season to be equal if not better than the others in certain aspects.
But I know that I am in the minority because for me GoT has never been more than an 8 out of 10, great production value and apparently good source material but the TV script turned out only sub-par.
The first seasons were in desperate need of a non-fan boy editor or a lot more episodes. Way to many characters and story lines. When 45 min are not enough to give all your ongoing story arcs at least one scene, your script is not 'ready for television' anymore. Cutting characters from the story might be 'hard' but that is what was needed.

That is the thing I like about this season, for the first time there is enough time to tell the story. On the other hand, like other have commented, the story became less cohesive, in some arcs it changed direction very abruptly.

Also, with the exception of the withe walker attack the fights have been the worst ever in the series. What happened here? In the GoT I remembered nobody was safe, ever! One misstep and you are dead (Oberin's death or The Mountain's bite attack come to mind). And now we have these super hero fighters walking around: Barristan Semly and grey worm doing a bad 'Neo against 50 x Mr. Smith' imitation or Jorah knocking out 6 guys in a row without a sword (with their own equipment even). What the f..? Have the authors actually watched the previous seasons?
dbizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 19:31:35
June 05 2015 19:26 GMT
#27719
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On June 06 2015 04:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
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On June 06 2015 03:15 dbizzle wrote:#1 GoT has always been super religious, just because the Lannisters do not believe as much as other families, everyone on the show is actually very devout, swearing by the gods is a huge core of the show.


So Winterfell and King's Landing are interchangeable? If the Starks pray to the gods every day, then I should take that to mean that every character in King's Landing, including the unnamed masses from whom we see and hear virtually nothing, is also very religious? And by "very religious" I mean "religious enough to want to see Biblical-style Judgement passed down on sinners"?

Because I thought the different lands in this world were actually different, the different characters were different, and the different religions were different, and I shouldn't assume anything about anyone unless I've seen it. And I also thought that religion in the real world, which GoT attempts to imitate, is a complicated thing, and saying thanks before eating dinner (the extent of religion in the show outside of Mellisandre's fire magic voodoo) doesn't automatically mean you want to see heretics burn.

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#2/3 There are thousands of sparrows in the city, more popular with the poor people than the rich lords.


How do you know that there are thousands of Sparrows in the city? We certainly haven't seen that many, and I can't recall being told that there are that many. Where did they all come from? Have they always been there or are they a result of the war with the North? What sort of power did they have before Cersei empowered them? All questions I would have liked to know the answers to before these people came out of nowhere to take over the most important political location of the last 5 seasons.

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Common people can relate to the sparrows because the common person has nothing in this show


The common people will have even less once the Sparrows outlaw alcohol and whore-houses.

See, the difference between us is you're cool with just filling in the gaps for the show, whereas I'm actually expecting it to live up to its reputation. You know what happens in the real world? Poor people who live in the booneys in the U.S. vote for the Republican party which is pro-business and anti-welfare, because the Republican party has great PR. The real world is complicated. When something happens of a magnitude as huge as "the face of King's Landing has irrevocably changed," I want to see that change, I want to know why Margaery's reputation no longer means shit, I want to see rumors spread that Tommen is an incest-child and turn the population against him. I want this city to feel like an actual living, breathing city, instead of being told "don't worry about it, the Sparrows are in power now."

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#4 that guy was not a squire, he is a known man whore for little finger's establishment


OK, Loras says that his squire must have met this prostitute and told him about the birthmark. Or he says that this prostitute is actually his squire, since he's been masquerading as one long enough to have a resume. Pretty much anything would have been better than "LIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!"

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#5 Tyrell army has left kings landing, they are fighting the war still


What war? In what scenes? I haven't seen or heard of any wars since Robb died back in season 3. And if this is true, why does Littlefinger take Olenna's threat seriously, if he has an army and she does not?

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as for bodyguards, why would she expect anything when kings and queens has had absolute power for the last 400 years?


Because no one has dreamed of taking Loras into custody for 30 years, and yet here we are. Things are obviously changing.

You're basically telling me that the Tyrells have zero clue about this Faith Militant movement, that is apparently as you say thousands strong, and yet they have no idea that these guys are legit and for real and will do anything to get their way. Even after Cersei officially gave them power (what, did no one else in the government or among the nobility hear about this? Is this a secret?) Even after they kidnapped Loras, no one in the Tyrell family bothered to do some detective work and find out some information on who it is they're going to be going up against in a trial?

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#6 Cercei thinks she is a female tywin, always plotting and scheming, but her plans have no long term value. She is too arrogant, rash and thinks she has absolute power.


So if next season, Cersei concocts a scheme to let the White Walkers into King's Landing, you're going to be cool with that because she'll be "plotting and scheming" and her plan will have no "long term value"? As long as she's scheming dumbly, it doesn't really matter what she's scheming about, we're good and she's in-character?

What I am saying is that I do not understand what she thinks in her head. I do not understand why her petty grudge against Margaery is suddenly more important to her than the happiness of her child. I also don't understand why this woman who "thinks she has absolute power" had to invent a brand new branch of government to get rid of a single nuisance human being. What's wrong with poison?

It's one thing not to have forethought, it's another to be paranoid about people finding out that you're fucking your own brother, and then a few episodes later unleash a sanctimonious religious cult that answers to no one onto the city without a care in the world. You don't need to be as smart as Tywin to see that the religious cult may in fact find out about that thing you're paranoid about and then completely and totally ruin your life. Just being not the dumbest person on the planet should be enough.

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#7/8 everyone has bowed and obeyed them ever since they were born, in GoT, Lords have power and would be like a Mayor in today's time. Rich and powerful only listen to the rich and powerful.


A mayor? In what country do you live in that mayors have absolutely no idea what goes on in their cities and what the people are like? Again, in defending Game of Thrones, you make the show seem shallow and insipid. More shallow than it actually is. What about Ned Stark? He was a lord with power, did he only listen to the rich and powerful, and similarly try to solve every problem by throwing money at it? Why should I assume that Olenna is a moron who just throws money at every problem, when that's not how all Lords have shown to behave on the show, and it explicitly contradicts the cunning and subterfuge she showed in dealing with Joffrey?



Well, they mention a lot of what i said on the show, you might want to rewatch the seasons and listen more carefully.

Cersei has mentioned many times that she "still has a war to win"

As for religion, harpies worship their harpy god, the north worship the old gods, the south the 7 gods, the red priests the 1 true god. Black/white house the many faced god. I could point out a hundred things on the show how everyone is religious; how you can't attack some one when you broke bread with them in their own home, swearing by the gods, how important weddings are, but i would rather you watch everything again before making your conclusion of "why this n that"
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
June 05 2015 20:27 GMT
#27720
On June 06 2015 04:12 lord_nibbler wrote:
The first seasons were in desperate need of a non-fan boy editor or a lot more episodes. Way to many characters and story lines. When 45 min are not enough to give all your ongoing story arcs at least one scene, your script is not 'ready for television' anymore. Cutting characters from the story might be 'hard' but that is what was needed.

I think a lot of people, including me, love that the show is too big and too complex to fit in a single episode. Sure, you might not get to see your favorite character in every episode (or even every season, HODOR!), but there are so many complex interesting characters that any fan should always have someone they enjoy watching in every episode.

It makes the show feel bigger than just a simple TV show and I think is a big part of the reason why it is so popular. I mean, people enjoy simple dialog scenes with two people sitting/standing across from each other. Without the rich world behind those conversations, they wouldn't have nearly the same impact.
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