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apelsinsaft
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 06 2015 02:49 pure.Wasted wrote: + Show Spoiler + Yes! I have found a place to vent about GoT that doesn't require signing up on any new forums! Holy shit has this season been awful. I'm not talking "this doesn't quite deserve the 92 it got on Metacritic" awful, I'm talking "this isn't renewable" awful. I'll leave my criticisms to just one story right now, the Faith Militant. 1. There's suddenly a religion in King's Landing? It turns out? That's interesting, because in five seasons of show, no one in KL has expressed any interest in religion or prayer or anything of the sort, certainly not to a degree that would warrant a religion taking over the entire city, and suddenly in the space of two episodes it took over the entire city. Because apparently the people are unhappy... because... I don't know why the people are unhappy, we haven't seen any regular people in King's Landing since before Joffrey was killed. I would have assumed that the saintly, Mother-Theresa-esque Margaery being Queen would have placated the masses, but uh... turns out no? Because unproven allegations of incest > all? K. 2. How is the Faith Militant untouchable, exactly? They're a bunch of dudes, wearing dresses, armed with cudgels. Surely between the Lannister army, the Tyrell army, the King's Guard and the Gold Cloaks, there's enough army to beat a couple hundred armed, starving peasants? You'd think? Cersei's explanation that "they might kill Margaery" might have fooled Tommen, if he's really dumb, but it doesn't fool me and it shouldn't fool any Tyrells who remain free. The Faith obviously cares about the letter of the law more than the spirit of the law, they wouldn't start executing prisoners just because another branch of government becomes corrupt (in their eyes) and tries to take them on. Littlefinger takes Olenna's threat that her people will track him down and cut him up into little pieces seriously, even though he's got a kingdom and a personal army and he's the most elusive man on the planet. But the Faith Militant, untrained nobodies, these guys have nothing to fear? Assassins who can stealthily sneak into the temple and rescue Margaery have stopped existing? Olenna can't pay someone to fake converting to the Faith and rescue Ser Loris and Margaery from inside? How is any of this a fucking problem to people who literally own kingdoms and have servants who will gladly die for them? 3. How did the Faith Militant get so popular with the common folk, anyway? The Faith dislikes sex, alcohol, and Margaery Tyrell. Pretty sure those are three things that the common folk like very much, and the worst charge laid at Margaery so far is... an unproven, white lie? Yeah, that'll sure turn the country against her after everything she did for them during Joffrey's reign. 4. Speaking of weak accusations, why did Ser Loris get all huffy and puffy when his squire, the one who personally dresses him, proved nothing more than that he has seen Ser Loris naked? Isn't the correct response to say "he's my squire, duh"? 5. Why did Margaery go to the hearing without an army, if she knows that this sect is crazy enough to kidnap her brother? Bad PR? There aren't any cell phones in King's Landing, she's not in danger of being overheard. If she says the High Sparrow became corrupt and tried to kill everyone and she had to put him down, no one will know otherwise. She's got a good resume while the High Sparrow is an unknown new entity coming into boatloads of power that he never had before, I don't see why she's terrified that people wouldn't believe her. 6. What were Cersei's motivations this season, exactly? The usual line is "she cares about her children more than anything," except when her only child in King's Landing tells her in no uncertain terms that he is perfectly miserable and despondent because Margaery, the love of his life, is gone, her response is to... give precisely zero fucks? Because apparently screwing Margaery over is more important than her children this season? Uh, OK. 7. So... how fucking dumb is Cersei? The best/only way to go after Margaery that she considered was arming and unleashing an autonomous militant religious sect on the entire city? And crossing her fingers that it wouldn't go after her... or anyone she likes... or anyone that she merely needs and would be inconvenienced to see in a prison cell? That is the best way she could think of to get rid of a human being she doesn't like for dumb reasons? What's the next step in Cersei's diabolical plan, crossing her fingers that Tommen never again in his life sleeps with a woman who might influence him against her? Like ANY sane woman would do? Like what is this I don't even. 8. And how dumb is Olenna Tyrell? The High Sparrow had to explain to her like 10 times, using different words but saying the same thing, that he doesn't care about money. Revolutionary concept. OK, I get it, head of a rich family, this is brand new territory to her (really? She has never in her very long life met anyone who had other priorities than money? Like her servants?), but it takes his ten times repeating it for her to clue in? Surely, as a shrewd and manipulative woman, one of the first lessons she learned was NOT TIPPING HER HAND? As in, not allowing her enemy to see her grasping when she has no idea what this enemy wants? Which is exactly what she does in that scene, like a pathetic amateur? 9. Why has everyone in King's Landing forgotten that they can torture people? Why doesn't Olenna covertly capture the High Sparrow while he's walking around town, and torture the living daylights out of him? I'm talking digging splinters under fingernails, sleep deprivation, capturing the High Sparrow's living family members and doing that shit to them while telling him that the only way to stop it is by releasing Margaery and Loris? Sure, it could turn out to be the case that the High Sparrow is so principled even the torture of his loved ones won't work (in which case kill him, capture another higher-up within the organization, and rinse and repeat; eventually someone will crack; they're religious, not aliens). But at least it would feel good. This is the most absurdly preposterous storyline in a season filled with preposterous storylines, and it's absolutely unforgivable because the writers KNEW WHERE THE STORY WAS GOING YEARS IN ADVANCE. They KNEW that "what the people of King's Landing think" is important and deliberately chose not to give us any of it until the very last possible second. They KNEW that the state of religion in King's Landing is important and deliberately chose not to make it a factor on the show until the very last possible second. Why should I care about what happens in King's Landing, to any of these characters, when they're all clearly too dumb to live? I thought these guys were supposed to be players in the game of thrones. Instead, their scheming and problem-solving skills are decidedly elementary-school grade. 1. The Faith has always been going on in the background. The difference between then and now is that the Crown no longer has a corrupt puppet for a Septon and instead the faith is being lead by a very devout man who truly believes the gods are above all. As for why religion is more prominent this season...why wouldn't it be? Have you been keeping track of the piss poor leadership outside of Tywin and Tyrion? Joffrey fucked things up massively and a near sack of the city by Stannis didn't help to stabilize things. In light of the chaotic times, it's no wonder more are flocking to religion and to a benevolent figure like the High Sparrow. Not to mention, the legitimacy of Joffrey and Tommen was always under doubt due to the accusations of incest. 2. This was brought up earlier. I think people vastly underestimate the importance of religion given the circumstances of this show. The Crown depends on the Faith to keep the lower-classes in check and to legitimize their political power in the eyes of the people. Now keep in mind the situation at hand. Tommen and the Lannisters are not popular with the people. The North is tied up in its own conflict and doubts the guarantee of the Crown now that Tywin is gone. Dorne's relations are icy what with Oberyn's death. The Riverlands got hit the hardest during the war and are recovering. The Vale continues to remain isolated. The Westerlands are in a financial crisis and reeling from the loss of Tywin as is the Crown. So really, King's Landing is a bit isolated in its own dilemmas and attacking the Faith that is supposedly adhered to by the majority of Westeros is bound to provoke a revolt that they simply can't take right now. As for the Tyrells, they need the Lannisters and the Lannisters need them (someone should've clued Cersei in on this..). Furthermore, Mace Tyrell (the actual Lord of Highgarden) is away in Bravos thanks to Cersei so it makes sense that Highgarden's response isn't as swift/brutal as it could be. They'd don't want to rock the boat, so Olenna is sent to handle things diplomatically. 3. With war on all sides and the Crown's leadership seen as increasingly incompetent/corrupt why wouldn't a pious, benevolent, lowborn man (relatable to them) like the High Sparrow be popular? Who gives a flying fuck about Margaery when this man is actually in the trenches with the people trying to ease their pain? 4. Fair enough, but I suppose you can't blame them for wanting to investigate. They are extremists after all with Cersei quietly backing them in the shadows. 5. C'mon, would you expect to be arrested as the queen? Of course she didn't show up with an army. Her word against the High Sparrow is unlikely to go well given that he's been legitimized as the High Septon by Cersei (who is also manipulating Tommen from taking any aggressive measures). 6. umm..yeah? This is Cersei we're talking about. She's a cunt. Also that prophecy (the first scene of the season) might have something to do with it  7. Not gonna disagree with you there. 8. You're exaggerating. 9. Yeah, that'll work  | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9881 Posts
All of the shrewd political manoeuvring has disappeared and suddenly everyone keeps making fucking dumb decisions. Even Little Finger seems to have lost his edge, reacting to events instead of planning them meticulously. Tyrion ended up with Dany out of pure good luck and i'm fairly sure Varys will just turn up having miraculously executed some plan that convinces her to go invade Westeros right now. Its probably quite a subjective thing, but I really enjoyed the reasoning behind everything in the first few seasons. You could clearly see why the smart ones were winning everything and the stupid ones were dying, Now its just turned into simple good guys vs bad guys and its less interesting for me. Then again, ZOMBIE ARMY RAAAR ARARARR RAWR | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
I guess I can see that others would react to that and say it's an obviously bad decision that Cersei wouldn't have taken, but I find it to be pretty much within something her character would do. She thinks she has the political mind of her father, but it's been made clear that of the three Lannister children, only Tyrion inherited the talent for prudent political moves. Cersei knows how to move against her enemies in crude and unsubtle ways, but her efforts often backfire; that's been established earlier. Tyrion or Tywin would probably find a smarter way to divert and weaken the Tyrells, one that didn't involve blatantly attacking them (virtually everyone sees through Cersei's claims of not being responsible for their actions). Also, as far as the sparrows are concerned, they are quite large in number, though I see that this probably wasn't adequately displayed on the show. It also isn't made quite clear exactly how many of them are armed, unless I'm forgetting something from an earlier S5 ep. I think the idea that the sparrows receive large popular support would have been better displayed if they showed more clearly that they were doing community services, making hospitals, homes, etc. The kind of stuff that often makes actual IRL religious organizations very popular. They did show Cersei speaking to the High Sparrow by a soup kitchen, but after his organization becomes armed and basically attacks/terrorizes the population, the idea that he's still supported by most people is very weakened. I'm sure they could have executed that whole aspect of it better, making the Olenna/Sparrow conversation make more sense. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On June 06 2015 03:29 Ouija wrote: Small thing to add to dbizzles post #6 The first scene from this season answers this question for you. Cersei is worried about the prophecy she was told as a child and she believes that Margaery is this more beautiful woman who has come to push her aside and take everything that she holds dear. i agree with this, but on another note with the prophecy/witch lady, are we even sure its a prophecy all she said was ur kids have gold hair (well...if u think about it all lanisters seem to have gold hair, i know the bartheon black hair gene is more dominate as ned found out but i assume with so many blonde lanisters their blonde hair gene is more dominant than most. I thought it was like a flash back but really to show why cersi is acting like this because she believes its true, but it probably was just fortuneteller bullshit) and the queen thing, well idk it think its just to spite cersi, theres alot of princesses and queens of other places right? magergy is consider a princess/queen of highgarden? (not sure about this but i think so?) and i guess sansa and arya would kind be princesses? and walder frey had like a million daughters which are consider royalty (i think?) or even if the moonlady had had a girl instead of robin also people are saying they're going to trial by combat to get out of it with zombie mountain, well if its not loras vs the mountain i dont see why it would work like that, it should loras trail by combat vs some random sparrow dude (easy win) and for cersi zombie mountain obliterates whoever hes up against, i really really doubt anyone is going to be able to beat loras (who was on par with jamie right a bit weaker? before he lost his hand beat him in a joust i know thats not a full fight but hes pretty strong, lost to briene but she was even handling jamie for a bit) I think thats how they're gonna get out of it and maybe theres like a double jeopardy thing too? where if they've won the trail they cant be reaccused of the same thing as the gods let them win. Then i the sparrow is gonna basically die reinstall a corrupt septon and on with the fight between margery and cersi | ||
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
On June 06 2015 07:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Tormund - Jon - Sam fuck marry kill go Fuck Tormund Kill Jon Marry Sam Easy. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On June 06 2015 10:51 Shock710 wrote: i agree with this, but on another note with the prophecy/witch lady, are we even sure its a prophecy all she said was ur kids have gold hair (well...if u think about it all lanisters seem to have gold hair, i know the bartheon black hair gene is more dominate as ned found out but i assume with so many blonde lanisters their blonde hair gene is more dominant than most. I thought it was like a flash back but really to show why cersi is acting like this because she believes its true, but it probably was just fortuneteller bullshit) and the queen thing, well idk it think its just to spite cersi, theres alot of princesses and queens of other places right? magergy is consider a princess/queen of highgarden? (not sure about this but i think so?) and i guess sansa and arya would kind be princesses? and walder frey had like a million daughters which are consider royalty (i think?) or even if the moonlady had had a girl instead of robin also people are saying they're going to trial by combat to get out of it with zombie mountain, well if its not loras vs the mountain i dont see why it would work like that, it should loras trail by combat vs some random sparrow dude (easy win) and for cersi zombie mountain obliterates whoever hes up against, i really really doubt anyone is going to be able to beat loras (who was on par with jamie right a bit weaker? before he lost his hand beat him in a joust i know thats not a full fight but hes pretty strong, lost to briene but she was even handling jamie for a bit) I think thats how they're gonna get out of it and maybe theres like a double jeopardy thing too? where if they've won the trail they cant be reaccused of the same thing as the gods let them win. Then i the sparrow is gonna basically die reinstall a corrupt septon and on with the fight between margery and cersi No, it's quite clear that the only ones considered royalty are kings or their heirs. Balon Greyjoy is a king, so Theon might have kingsblood, technically. Possibly, the same could be true for the surviving starks, due to Robb's tenure as king, though it's less likely. Mostly, however, it's Baratheons (or maybe Targaryens) that are used for the purpose of kingsblood, like in Melisandre's blood rituals. Margaery, of course is the queen, not of Highgarden but of the iron throne. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On June 06 2015 11:15 marttorn wrote: No, it's quite clear that the only ones considered royalty are kings or their heirs. Balon Greyjoy is a king, so Theon might have kingsblood, technically. Possibly, the same could be true for the surviving starks, due to Robb's tenure as king, though it's less likely. Mostly, however, it's Baratheons (or maybe Targaryens) that are used for the purpose of kingsblood, like in Melisandre's blood rituals. Margaery, of course is the queen, not of Highgarden but of the iron throne. ah okay, well i guess then the witch lady could have just guessed that u know cersi being part of the powerful lanister family was probably going to marry some royalty (tywin deals) and since the witch already gave her kids its alright to assume that her kid who is now royalty will marry some girl who will replace her as queen (as for a more beautiful queen, well cersi's old now and its just a spiteful thing to say cause cersi was acting like an entitled prick) just basically the scene was to show why cersi hates margergy more so than margergy trying to cuddle up to tommen and stop cersi being queen (which she shouldnt even be trying to fight for, isnt it common that cersi should just lose her power once tommen is married, its not something shes entitled to she just hates margergy) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24055 Posts
On June 06 2015 12:01 Shock710 wrote: ah okay, well i guess then the witch lady could have just guessed that u know cersi being part of the powerful lanister family was probably going to marry some royalty (tywin deals) and since the witch already gave her kids its alright to assume that her kid who is now royalty will marry some girl who will replace her as queen (as for a more beautiful queen, well cersi's old now and its just a spiteful thing to say cause cersi was acting like an entitled prick) just basically the scene was to show why cersi hates margergy more so than margergy trying to cuddle up to tommen and stop cersi being queen (which she shouldnt even be trying to fight for, isnt it common that cersi should just lose her power once tommen is married, its not something shes entitled to she just hates margergy) The 'proper' and not so bad thing for her to do would be just live in lavish luxery either in Kings Landing or at the Family home. And basically turn into a prop. She thinks she should be sitting on the Iron Throne though so that's not really an acceptable option for her. | ||
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Ouija
United States129 Posts
On June 06 2015 12:01 Shock710 wrote: ah okay, well i guess then the witch lady could have just guessed that u know cersi being part of the powerful lanister family was probably going to marry some royalty (tywin deals) and since the witch already gave her kids its alright to assume that her kid who is now royalty will marry some girl who will replace her as queen (as for a more beautiful queen, well cersi's old now and its just a spiteful thing to say cause cersi was acting like an entitled prick) just basically the scene was to show why cersi hates margergy more so than margergy trying to cuddle up to tommen and stop cersi being queen (which she shouldnt even be trying to fight for, isnt it common that cersi should just lose her power once tommen is married, its not something shes entitled to she just hates margergy) Guessed!!!????!?!?! In the world of GoT we have dragons, white walkers, wargs , and much much more. Blood magic is real. We saw it during season 2 when Miir Maaz Durr ( i think thats how you spell her name ) tried using blood magic to heal khal drogo. That didn't work out well IMO because she told jorah/daenarys that once the ritual begins that no one may enter the tent, but they went ahead and did anyway because daenarys was about to give birth to her son. The witch also said that this queen would take everything she holds dear. Joffery obviously is dead now, and we and cersei have both seen margaery essentially manipulating little tommen. The prophecy is real. I dont believe that the woman to take her spot in this prophecy is margaery, but cersei is not willing to take that risk. For those interested in rewatching this prophecy being told -- | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On June 04 2015 00:45 Scorch wrote: I agree. However I'm of the opinion that he may not be equally as big in every direction.If you blow up a man of 80kg to 2.5 times the size, he weighs 2.5*2.5*2.5=15.625 times as much: 1250kg. However, his muscles have only 2.5*2.5=6.25 times the cross-sectional area, making him only 6.25 times stronger. Since his muscle force grows by one less dimension than his weight, he gets "weaker" in proportion to the magnification factor. Merely standing would feel like he has to carry a backpack that weighs more than his body weight, and moving his heavy arms would be like handling a dumbbell. On the other hand, making a man smaller would make him super agile and able to jump around like a grasshopper. Aside from the fact that they seem a fair bit taller than 14 feet to me, I think that their muscles may be thicker to bring their proportional strength closer to that of a human, but also increasing their girth and weight even more. I think overall a weight of 20-30 men could be likely (including a likely taller height at least in the show). | ||
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B.I.G.
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Also this guy has a pretty solid theory about Jon Snow's mother pieced together from just the TV show. No spoilers if you are up to date with the show (no book references whatsoever). [mod edit: book spoilers] | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On June 06 2015 10:26 marttorn wrote: Also, as far as the sparrows are concerned, they are quite large in number, though I see that this probably wasn't adequately displayed on the show. It also isn't made quite clear exactly how many of them are armed, unless I'm forgetting something from an earlier S5 ep. I think the idea that the sparrows receive large popular support would have been better displayed if they showed more clearly that they were doing community services, making hospitals, homes, etc. The kind of stuff that often makes actual IRL religious organizations very popular. They did show Cersei speaking to the High Sparrow by a soup kitchen, but after his organization becomes armed and basically attacks/terrorizes the population, the idea that he's still supported by most people is very weakened. I'm sure they could have executed that whole aspect of it better, making the Olenna/Sparrow conversation make more sense. It's also important to remember that the sparrows have had Cersei's backing for the most part. If they hadn't, then they would just have been shut down immediately, the kingsguard could have just strolled in and rekt everyone. But Cersei controls a lot of the kings guard, and she put a lot of effort into stoking the religious order, counselling tommen to not act, holding the kings guard back etc. By the time the sparrows turned on her, there's basically a fully fledged religious revolution going on, and everyone with the power to go against them either doesn't care (the other lanister guy,) or is a helpless 12 year old kid who's sulking in his room. Cersei completely engineered them not getting shutdown, sadly she was just too dumb to not realise that if she makes them unassailable, they don't need her anymore. On June 06 2015 15:44 B.I.G. wrote: Also this guy has a pretty solid theory about Jon Snow's mother pieced together from just the TV show. No spoilers if you are up to date with the show (no book references whatsoever). [mod edit: book spoiler] Is it actually something you could think up purely from watching the show? or is if "no book spoilers" in the sense that he takes a book theory, then tries to justify it with what would be completely innocuous facts from the show, using connections you'd only realise if you'd read the books. I've had enough people tell me things that are "clearly in the show" because chapters of book exposition were portrayed by one nod, or some flag in the background in the show -.- | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 06 2015 15:44 B.I.G. wrote: It seems to me that if they would get a few giants and make gigantic scythes for them they would own the shit out of that undead army. Did you see what just one of them did with a tree or pole (whatever it was) and those sweeps? Top it off with a cage on his back that holds one or two archers and you have a giant clump of destruction. Also this guy has a pretty solid theory about Jon Snow's mother pieced together from just the TV show. No spoilers if you are up to date with the show (no book references whatsoever). [mod edit: book spoilers] Actually, this is clearly book inspired. To the point where at 8:30ish in the clip he says "Even Ned Stark had nothing bad to say about him in the books". And goes on to expand about more book history after that. Gonna edit it out for that reason. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On June 06 2015 15:06 Ouija wrote: Guessed!!!????!?!?! In the world of GoT we have dragons, white walkers, wargs , and much much more. Blood magic is real. We saw it during season 2 when Miir Maaz Durr ( i think thats how you spell her name ) tried using blood magic to heal khal drogo. That didn't work out well IMO because she told jorah/daenarys that once the ritual begins that no one may enter the tent, but they went ahead and did anyway because daenarys was about to give birth to her son. The witch also said that this queen would take everything she holds dear. Joffery obviously is dead now, and we and cersei have both seen margaery essentially manipulating little tommen. The prophecy is real. I dont believe that the woman to take her spot in this prophecy is margaery, but cersei is not willing to take that risk. For those interested in rewatching this prophecy being told -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6kQJ9HPpQ4 I thought the witch who was trying to save kal drogo wanted to kill him on purpose, rather than danny screwing up by entering the tent, i thought it was just to keep them going in on the off chance they realise shes killing him and want to stop her. Yeah theres alot of magical things in the show but the witch in the tent said like two super vague probabale things (isnt that how fortune tellers work?) idk for its like she was giving cersi something then turning it back to hurt her, like when she said oh yes u'll be queen but a more beautiful queen will come and knock you off the throne. I think margery is the queen to knock her off (if it was a real prophecy) but just seems like another queen coming to to replace you is quite likely in this world, conquest, ur kid marrying someone else, idk some female assassin who is a lost princess (like if danny turned into a ninja lol) hhahaha but yeah so far the queen would take everything that she holds dear right, joffery didnt really die to margery more like olena and marcia was sent to dorne by tyrion (i cant really see her dying anytime seeing how dorne loves her and jamie is on okay terms with them tommen (might die cause i think hes a wimp and dont see being importnat to the story) and i dont think it'll be margery who kills tommen or olena i just feel like this "prophecy" was too vague (then again most are  ) | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 06 2015 17:18 Shock710 wrote: I thought the witch who was trying to save kal drogo wanted to kill him on purpose, rather than danny screwing up by entering the tent, i thought it was just to keep them going in on the off chance they realise shes killing him and want to stop her. She was. He is wrong. For one, the witch was at the end of season 1, even before Dany got her dragons. And her goal was clearly to hurt Dany. If you pay attention, during the scene when Mirri Maz Duur tells Dany that only death may pay for life, Dany asks "my death?" and Mirri subtly looks down to Dany's belly, and says no. See here. | ||
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Shock710
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Sterlymobile
United States1009 Posts
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