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On June 01 2015 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2015 18:44 Vesimias wrote:
How do you make that stuff exciting and cool without it being convenient though? Like really, there are a ton of convenience in fantasy stories. Like how did Gandalf happen to arrive with the army just in time to save everyone in the battle of Helm's Deep and not half an hour later and find them all dead? I think that's just unnecessary nitpicking, it's a fantasy story, cool shit happens at convenient times.
Also this way the characters get a lot more development. Jon knows who the leader of the White walkers is, Valyrian steel kills them. The threat now has a proper face. If that stuff happened off screen, it would be mysterious sure, but frustratingly so. Its not nitpicking its a definite change from previous seasons. Maybe its changed more gradually as the show has gone on even. Everything in the first 2 seasons appeared to be quite inconveniently timed if anything, I think I was mostly annoyed about Jorah and Tyrion just happening across the Queen they had both been desperately searching for after being captured by slavers. Its just poor storytelling imo, and takes away the sense of hardship that being captured by slavers is supposed to convey. The zombie attack was just another example of that, but it works better in terms of the story. It feels like its become both rushed and too slow at the same time (which obviously doesn't make sense but its just how i feel about it). Maybe I am nitpicking, but I still love the show, I just don't think its as good as it once was.
You do those slavers were pit fighters and jorah and tyrion purposefully got themselves to be sold to pit fighters specifically so they could run into dany eventually? It's not really a coincidence so much as an inevitability.
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I had a feeling there was gonna be something cool this episode! usually in 8/9 is when they ramp things up. Tbh, I was really nervous for the whole fight, thought Jon might get killed/wounded.
Oh yeah, also, I'm expecting that one of these walkers is Benjen - possibly the one Jon killed? On the other hand, they might give a more direct sign of that (Jon recognizing him and saying his name before they fight, etc), and there seem to be plenty of white walker commanders that have Benjen's look. Basically, this whole fight was way scarier for me than the battle at the wall, or even Blackwater, due to the nature of who they were fighting - It's like, the Lannisters winning something is one thing, that's just kind of sad, but if the white walkers win, I mean, the show's over. I expect there's gonna be some cool bigger battle with the walkers in s6 or maybe even later. Suspecting that they might need dragons to bail them out.
Also, on the topic of Dany's dragons, isn't it possible that Valyrian steel could be made again? As far as I know, the only element of it that has been completely inaccessible is the dragonfire part - although you'd probably still need the best blacksmiths to make it, but nevertheless, it could be possible? Might also play a part in defeating the white walkers.
I'm assuming fire can also kill them - maybe you could keep stores of wildfire at Castle Black? Throw it off the top of the wall, assuming that's where they'll attack (it seems they can't swim, so they must be attacking from that route, unless they somehow get to the other side via abandoned pathways to other castles, like Bran/Sam for example), given the size of the explosion at the Blackwater, that would wipe out a few thousand of them at least, if not more, Though it might also be too dangerous to use too close to the wall.
As for current Valyrian steel blades, there may be a few still held by other families, that we haven't been told about? I'm really unsure. Other than that, we know Oathkeeper exists, and Widow's Wail must have passed to Tommen, and it's probably on display in some room in King's Landing. There is also the Valyrian steel dagger used in the assassination attempt on Bran - maybe Littlefinger has it?
Anyway, all that is for when the kingdoms (and Dany) actually unite to kill the white walkers, which seems to be a way away. Before that there's other stuff. Seeing Tyrion and Dany interact was tons of fun; they're two main characters that we've never seen talk to each other, that are both very rich in history and tragedy. I'm unhappy that Jorah got exiled, but seeing as he has greyscale I might just have to give up my love for Jorah and accept that he's gonna die in like, episode 10 or something. Dany'll be really sad and wish she hadn't thrown him out - really, her continued hatred and distrust for Jorah makes little sense, compared to how easily she trusted Barristan, not to mention Daario, whose first act of loyalty to her was to murder his previous allies.
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i really like jorah too and i was actually hoping danny was going to accept him back into her ranks, find out he has greyscale and be like O_O shit, then find the best medics to try and save him, then idk lol danny cries gets magic powers heals him (basically tangled)
p.s magic powers then control dragons GG whitewalkers
it would kind suck to find out that benjen is a whitewalker, just by jon coming in the next ep going i saw a whitewalker, i killed a whitewalker he had the face of benjen stark etc etc cause that doesnt explain anything infact i think leaves more questions like does that mean whitewalkers can turn full grown men into whitewalkers, why not do that with almost every person u capture, was the point of the baby scene to show that it actually just means "humans can be turned into white walkers" or that it stands by what everyone assume which was "human babies are needed to turn into whitewalkers"
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The one Jon killed wasn't Benjen. There are two kinds: 'Wights' which is basically an old synonym for undead, zombie, revanent, wraith, etc... then there are the 'White Walkers' which are those ancient, wrinkly, ice dudes that create 'wights' by touching the dead.
What Jon killed was a white walker. I don't think it was ever a human. (Unless that one episode where we saw what happened to Crastor's baby boys was supposed to be how they are created)
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On June 01 2015 22:15 imJealous wrote:
The one Jon killed wasn't Benjen. There are two kinds: 'Wights' which is basically an old synonym for undead, zombie, revanent, wraith, etc... then there are the 'White Walkers' which are those ancient, wrinkly, ice dudes that create 'wights' by touching the dead.
What Jon killed was a white walker. I don't think it was ever a human. (Unless that one episode where we saw what happened to Crastor's baby boys was supposed to be how they are created)
True, but nevertheless it wouldn't surprise me if they found some justification for bringing Benjen back as a non-wight (meaning, not as a mindless zombie but as someone with some agency, like a benevolent WW). However, if that's the case, it's very unlikely the one Jon killed was Benjen, so yeah.
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Lolol it was so obvious that Wildling chick was going to be killed after she pulled out the old "Don't worry, I'll be right behind you!!" to her kids. Haha.
Finally a good episode this season. That silence at the end was awesome.
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she was pretty, i was hoping for her to make it 
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On June 01 2015 23:11 Shock710 wrote:she was pretty, i was hoping for her to make it
I find her pretty too.. esp inside the tent meeting. also the giant is infected now.. and probably spread the zombie disease somewhere
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On June 01 2015 23:27 shin_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2015 23:11 Shock710 wrote:she was pretty, i was hoping for her to make it I find her pretty too.. esp inside the tent meeting. also the giant is infected now.. and probably spread the zombie disease somewhere
Infected? This isn't The Walking Dead. You become a wight by dying for any reason within the influence of the White Walkers, as we saw at the end of that episode. We've had no indication that being attacked, bitten, or scratched by a wight results in you turning into one, unless you die from it.
Great episode, a lot of mindblowing moments and effects in that last scene at Hardhome. I'm trying to imagine what the hell Ramsay thinks he will accomplish with 20 men against Stannis' encampment. Flay their sentries? Try to assassinate Stannis? It seems like something Melisandre should be able to prevent regardless, but maybe that means Ramsay finally gets his due.
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Im just joking lol..also yeah my prediction is Ramsay is somehow gonna get justice this season
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Allow me to go on a little what if here.
We know the wife of Roose is pregnant. Her child will be Lord Bolten before Ramsay.
We know this is a very touchy subject for Ramsay, He will be back to being a Snow in all but name. Killing Stannis wouldnt change that
So what if his plan is not to kill Stannis but to make a deal and betray Roose instead.
He opens the doors for Stannis and in return he becomes Lord Bolten and Warden of the North.
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On June 02 2015 00:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Allow me to go on a little what if here.
We know the wife of Roose is pregnant. Her child will be Lord Bolten before Ramsay.
We know this is a very touchy subject for Ramsay, He will be back to being a Snow in all but name. Killing Stannis wouldnt change that
So what if his plan is not to kill Stannis but to make a deal and betray Roose instead.
He opens the doors for Stannis and in return he becomes Lord Bolten and Warden of the North.
Ramsay is legitimate. He is the firstborn son of Roose.
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On June 02 2015 00:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2015 00:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Allow me to go on a little what if here.
We know the wife of Roose is pregnant. Her child will be Lord Bolten before Ramsay.
We know this is a very touchy subject for Ramsay, He will be back to being a Snow in all but name. Killing Stannis wouldnt change that
So what if his plan is not to kill Stannis but to make a deal and betray Roose instead.
He opens the doors for Stannis and in return he becomes Lord Bolten and Warden of the North.
Ramsay is legitimate. He is the firstborn son of Roose.
in the previous episode Sansa make it quite clear during their walk outside with Ramsay that the child may well end up infront of him in the line of succession.
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Is roose bolten considered a king at all? does he win "king of the north" through conquest?? can the red lady use ramsey's blood? because she wanted to use jon snows sperm i think right? and hes a snow plus Ned was just warden not really king, Robb kinda just gave himself the name king of the north would the same applie to roose?
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On June 02 2015 00:21 Shock710 wrote:
Is roose bolten considered a king at all? does he win "king of the north" through conquest?? can the red lady use ramsey's blood? because she wanted to use jon snows sperm i think right? and hes a snow plus Ned was just warden not really king, Robb kinda just gave himself the name king of the north would the same applie to roose?
Roose is Warden of the North. The title of "King in the North" comes from before the Seven Kingdoms were united, and Robb was crowned King in the North by his people because the Lannisters killed Ned. It was an act of rebellion.
Roose Bolton, being an ally of the Lannisters, is Warden of the North. There is no "King in the North" anymore. So no, Ramsay and Roose do not have king's blood.
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United States41958 Posts
On June 02 2015 00:09 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2015 00:05 KwarK wrote:On June 02 2015 00:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Allow me to go on a little what if here.
We know the wife of Roose is pregnant. Her child will be Lord Bolten before Ramsay.
We know this is a very touchy subject for Ramsay, He will be back to being a Snow in all but name. Killing Stannis wouldnt change that
So what if his plan is not to kill Stannis but to make a deal and betray Roose instead.
He opens the doors for Stannis and in return he becomes Lord Bolten and Warden of the North.
Ramsay is legitimate. He is the firstborn son of Roose. in the previous episode Sansa make it quite clear during their walk outside with Ramsay that the child may well end up infront of him in the line of succession.
And Roose stated absolutely otherwise. Sansa is trying to play the game and create divisions. We should not assume that the information we get from her is objective, relevant or even informed. She isn't an authority on what Roose may or may not do.
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On June 02 2015 00:09 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2015 00:05 KwarK wrote:On June 02 2015 00:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Allow me to go on a little what if here.
We know the wife of Roose is pregnant. Her child will be Lord Bolten before Ramsay.
We know this is a very touchy subject for Ramsay, He will be back to being a Snow in all but name. Killing Stannis wouldnt change that
So what if his plan is not to kill Stannis but to make a deal and betray Roose instead.
He opens the doors for Stannis and in return he becomes Lord Bolten and Warden of the North.
Ramsay is legitimate. He is the firstborn son of Roose. in the previous episode Sansa make it quite clear during their walk outside with Ramsay that the child may well end up infront of him in the line of succession.
It's theoretically possible, but only because who the fuck knows what Roose Bolton plans to do. But the whole point of legitimizing Ramsay is to make him the heir to the Dreadfort, Winterfell, and the North as a whole. It's clear that Ramsay is insecure about his standing within his own family, and indeed it's probably the only thing he is insecure about. While Ramsay has been useful to him, if I were Roose I'd be doing everything in my power to get him killed or something once Sansa is pregnant because he is the definition of a loose cannon.
I think he is smart enough to know that he can't make a deal with Stannis. 9 times out of 10 that deal would result in him opening the gates for Stannis and then Stannis having him executed and making Sansa Wardeness of the North.
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I will not forgive Daenerys if she keeps Tyrion from being funny
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On June 02 2015 00:51 Warfie wrote:
I will not forgive Daenerys if she keeps Tyrion from being funny
Nah, if anything they'll complement each other, I laughed when she took the wine away from him.
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In my humble opinion the timing was way too convenient in this episode. Get there, talk a bit, oh and randomly the white walker army appears at that exact moment. Like, really? Felt like watching sand snakes 2.0, but this time with a giant to make it less cheesy and more amusing.
I think it's fine that this sort of coincidence happens from time to time as it does in real life, especially if it advances the story and results in interesting things. I had a bit of the same feeling too, that it was too much of a coincidence, but that's only because this season was full of stupid coincidences that were just too ridiculous or unnecessary. Eventually you start feeling that you're watching nothing but coincidences and it can spoil a good episode like this one.
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