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On June 19 2014 03:13 TMG26 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 02:10 Yoav wrote:On June 17 2014 00:56 Sandster wrote:On June 17 2014 00:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 16 2014 23:00 Gosi wrote:On June 16 2014 22:56 Frolossus wrote:On June 16 2014 21:07 shin_toss wrote:
Just finished watching. One if not the best episode since season 1. When Stannis cavalry came in holyshit. Bran storyline kinda cool too and very mysterious. Love the Brienne vs Hound ..lol Brienne of fucking Tarth owned him tho I don't think he's dead. Tyrion scene was the most shocking for me. I totally did not expect that. ( I think people who said Varys and Jamie will help Tyrion are bookreaders -_- ) .
Also can we assume Tywin isn't dead? because he only shot him one in stomach and one in shoulder, His face was not shown that he was dead contrary to standard GoT style. Kinda sad if he is dead tho. i was caught off guard by varys helping, but jaime is literally the only person in kings landing who would be willing to so i expected that. other stuff: does melisandre know anything about jon snow's mom? she kinda looked at him funny. Dany's arc is getting really boring and thank god jojen is dead. I thought she looked at Jon like that cuz he has kings blood... It's a wild guess, but I would think she might know something about Jon's mother. I don't think Jon is just anyone's son. Always believed it had to be an important missing element of the plot. Well, Eddard told Robert once Jon's mom was some common girl? Granted he could be lying but how many times has Eddard lied to Robert? Someone above said that Jon could be Eddard's sister's son. All I remember about her is that Robert loved her (and not Cercei, which made their marriage miserable for both), that she was abducted? I don't get why Mellisandre would be interested in Jon; even if she somehow knows everyone's lineage, the Starks aren't royalty, unless Robert knocked her up? Non book reader speculation: + Show Spoiler +That's been my girlfriend's theory for a while: Robert knocked up Jon Snow's mom, Lianna(sp?), Ned Stark swore to her to protect the baby, keep it as his own, and lie to everyone (including Robert). It makes sense of Ned's bizarre lapse of honor in having a bastard. It accounts for Jon's black hair (seed is strong and all) and it means that he has as good a claim to the kingship as any of the bastards, or maybe moreso if Robert and Lianna were secretly married.
Nah.. That is nonsense, simply because there is no reason for that to be secret. Also, Jon is the kid that looks more like a Stark.
How do you judge who looks like a stark? They're actors so they don't actually look similar at all. That's a weird comment.
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If you set the Stark standard to Arya and Jon Snow, then Jon Snow resembles Jon Snow very strongly.
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Jon Snow looks tremendously like Eddard. the other children who have softer features or namely reddish hair obviously got it from their mom. I think Snow is Eddard's bastard for sure, but who knows I guess. Speculation that Lisanna(sp?) and Robert had a kid and Eddard is keeping it from Robert is just weird. Robert loved Lisanna and wanted to marry HER, he only married Cersei because she was kidnapped/killed by the Targaryens and as such married Cersei to strengthen his ties with the Lannisters. He would've loved/protected Jon Snow as his own child, there's no reason for Eddard to keep that a secret from him.
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On June 19 2014 03:49 Nesserev wrote:
How does Jon look the most like a Stark?... I mean, the actor looks very different from the rest of the children :S
I agree with Frolossus, if Jon was the son of Robert, there wouldn't be a reason to keep it a secret from him.
Because the rest of the children look like Tullys.
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On June 19 2014 05:20 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Jon Snow looks tremendously like Eddard. the other children who have softer features or namely reddish hair obviously got it from their mom. I think Snow is Eddard's bastard for sure, but who knows I guess. Speculation that Lisanna(sp?) and Robert had a kid and Eddard is keeping it from Robert is just weird. Robert loved Lisanna and wanted to marry HER, he only married Cersei because she was kidnapped/killed by the Targaryens and as such married Cersei to strengthen his ties with the Lannisters. He would've loved/protected Jon Snow as his own child, there's no reason for Eddard to keep that a secret from him.
you do realize that ned's sister looks like ned and has his genes and stuff.
that alone accounts for the appearance similarity in jon snow
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Well Sansa looks like a Tully/her mother.
Also I've heard the idea that Jon Snow's father is a Targaryen, since she was kidnapped. Since Viserys was 6 or so and the other children were babies or not yet born(Daenerys), Jon's father could be Rhaegar or the mad king himself.
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On June 19 2014 06:54 Mataza wrote:
Well Sansa looks like a Tully/her mother.
Also I've heard the idea that Jon Snow's father is a Targaryen, since she was kidnapped. Since Viserys was 6 or so and the other children were babies or not yet born(Daenerys), Jon's father could be Rhaegar or the mad king himself.
But Jon is neither tall, platinum white/blond, milky white skin and light-eyed. He sure managed to lose out on the gene pool if he was part Targaryen lol.
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The speculation in this thread has reached full retard I think. If Jon Snow ends up being a Targaryean or a Baratheon, you're all banned and GRRM is dead2me.
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Targaryean is more likely than Baratheon, at least would explain the secret.
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why would he be any of those, over a stark. Are you guys denying that he is Ned's son, or the mother is targaryean/baratheon?
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On June 19 2014 07:50 crms wrote:
The speculation in this thread has reached full retard I think. If Jon Snow ends up being a Targaryean or a Baratheon, you're all banned and GRRM is dead2me.
You have the authority to ban everyone? Which mods smurf account is this?
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On June 19 2014 06:54 Mataza wrote:
Well Sansa looks like a Tully/her mother.
Also I've heard the idea that Jon Snow's father is a Targaryen, since she was kidnapped. Since Viserys was 6 or so and the other children were babies or not yet born(Daenerys), Jon's father could be Rhaegar or the mad king himself.
nope, like all the Starks except Arya the Awesome Jon Snow likes to mop like a bitch, makes poor life choices and only tries to cheat at the very end and in most predictable fashion.. He is 100% Stark-Tulley.
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On June 19 2014 08:36 biology]major wrote:
why would he be any of those, over a stark. Are you guys denying that he is Ned's son, or the mother is targaryean/baratheon?
That's a very big mystery. Jon, I believe, still has a big role to play in the story because of the mystery of his bloodline. He looks like a Stark so being Ned's son is still valid but he can also be Ned's sister's son with the Targaryen heir.
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On June 19 2014 08:36 biology]major wrote:
why would he be any of those, over a stark. Are you guys denying that he is Ned's son, or the mother is targaryean/baratheon?
denying that he is neds son based on the facts that he was more honorable than any other man known and he wouldn't even tell robert who the mum was
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Well the Targaryens practiced incest because their traits are all recessive/rare.
As in: if a child has a dominant gene, like dark hair, brown eyes, and a recessive gene, like purple eyes, platinum blond hair, or immunity to fire, then it will have the dominant traits.
Mendel's rules. I think that's highschool/secondary school level of genetics.
By the way, Baratheons' brown haired-ness being very dominant is even a plot point. So it's not like Game of Thrones has mythical alternative genetics.
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On June 19 2014 09:41 Mataza wrote:
Well the Targaryens practiced incest because their traits are all recessive/rare.
As in: if a child has a dominant gene, like dark hair, brown eyes, and a recessive gene, like purple eyes, platinum blond hair, or immunity to fire, then it will have the dominant traits.
Mendel's rules. I think that's highschool/secondary school level of genetics.
By the way, Baratheons' brown haired-ness being very dominant is even a plot point. So it's not like Game of Thrones has mythical alternative genetics.
How do we know geneology works the same way in this universe? Or that the targaryen's genes are recessive for sure?
edit: did some research and apparently aerys targaryen's wife was also his sister.
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On June 19 2014 09:40 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 08:36 biology]major wrote:
why would he be any of those, over a stark. Are you guys denying that he is Ned's son, or the mother is targaryean/baratheon? denying that he is neds son based on the facts that he was more honorable than any other man known and he wouldn't even tell robert who the mum was
If the mother was someone who the king would most certainly disapprove of then he would have every reason to not ever say a word. I do wonder what would make ned stark break his vows since this series has established he was the most honorable man in it but I suppose that may or may not be eventually explained but it is the thing I have been most curious about since Robert and Ned brought it up while eating.
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On June 19 2014 10:07 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 09:41 Mataza wrote:
Well the Targaryens practiced incest because their traits are all recessive/rare.
As in: if a child has a dominant gene, like dark hair, brown eyes, and a recessive gene, like purple eyes, platinum blond hair, or immunity to fire, then it will have the dominant traits.
Mendel's rules. I think that's highschool/secondary school level of genetics.
By the way, Baratheons' brown haired-ness being very dominant is even a plot point. So it's not like Game of Thrones has mythical alternative genetics. How do we know geneology works the same way in this universe? Or that the targaryen's genes are recessive for sure?
Mostly that the Targaryens practice incest to keep their defining traits. Also that according to official lore the first Baratheon(Orys Baratheon) was Aegon the conqueror's half brother. And nobody in House Baratheon looks very platinum blond or purple eyed to me.
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What is 'official' lore? A wiki? The books? HBO History Youtubes? I feel this entire debate has been sparked by book reading assholes trying to sound smart and make 'epic' predictions again.
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