On June 17 2014 00:42 kju wrote: How to kill 3 badass characters in 3 episodes (the hound is not confirmed dead but his impact will be next to nothing either way..)
They really have to introduce characters like oberyn next season to fill the void but he came out of nowhere this season so I'm hopeful.
I think and hope Braavos is going to be filled with awesome characters. It is a free city after all!
On June 17 2014 01:50 karazax wrote: There were a lot of things that didn't make sense to me in this episode.
How did Tyrion know there was a secret passage to Tywin's chambers? How did he find it from where he was?
Why is he sorry he killed Shae? She was trying to kill him with the dagger, she betrayed him at the trial, and she was sleeping with his dad. Why does he care if Tywin calls her a whore considering all those facts? Sentencing Tyrion to death for a crime he didn't commit is reason for Tyrion to kill Tywin. Calling a whore a whore doesn't seem like such a big deal in context, especially considering Tyrion has called her a whore himself several times in the last few episodes.
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Tyrion used to live in the hand's chamber, he obviously knew how to get in it.
He's sorry he killed Shae because he loved her, the fact that she betrayed him or tried to kill him doesn't magically make those feelings go away. As for the whore comments, he probably hates the fact that his father only sees that in her.
On June 17 2014 01:50 karazax wrote:
Mance has offered 100% peace terms to Jon in exchange for being let thru the gates, and has sent a large force of over a thousand over the wall as they speak. Why doesn't Jon accept their terms? Even if he doesn't believe them, based on the force Mance said he sent over the wall, if the wildlings wanted to kill the Nights Watch they would regardless. They only have like 50 people left! Did Stannis take care of these wildlings too? They never said what happened to them.
Why does Tywin give in to Cersei's threat to expose the truth of her relationship with Jaime? All Tywin had to say was “Oh, go ahead—reveal it all, just don’t expect me or my Lannister army to be here any longer if you do, and don’t be surprised at what the Tyrells and Martells will make of your incestuous bastards.”
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Snow didn't accept because he's an idiot.
Tywin cares only about his family's honor, having his daughter confess that she had bastard children with her brother and that his grand son has no place on the throne would destroy that. Cersei confession would destroy them all, but she would rather see that happen than let her father get his way. That's why she talks about the time she almost poisoned Tomen, her love is completely distorted and selfish, like her father is but in a different way.
I do agree about the Hound and Arya not getting into the Eyrie being weird.
Snow didn't accept because he saw what Wildlings do when they get over the wall and he had no reason to believe that exact same thing wouldn't happen again.
Yeah ~100,000 'Freemen' south of the wall what could go wrong....? hahah... Of course if any of the warnings actually sunk in about the white walkers, they would have Jon willing to put anyone who could stand on the wall.
Like think about it for a second. Those people like their chances getting past the wall, more than they think they have against the white walkers. That would at least make me pause...
I understand that this was heavy cavalry against light armored footsoldiers but I thought Stannis only had a small army left, how did he defeat 100k so fast.
anyway after this episode I definitely understand why so many bookreaders like stannis the fucking mannis.
Tyrion - Shae+Tywin scene was meh after all the hype it got but from what I read on reddit it seems the D&D changed a lot and left out an epic scene most book readers expected to be the last scene.
Kind of surprised it wasn't Daeny that got the very last scene of the season once again but considering how excited I am for more Bravos and more Arya adventures, she deserved it!
I dont know if somebody counted Stannis army size (I kinda did). Both side around 1600 cavalry adding up to roughly 3200 seen in screen. Then some reserves in Castle Black surely. I wonder how big army he has there.
Cavalry is pretty good vs wildlings plus all extra knights surely add up. Easily 1 guy from Stannis side can kill 40-50 from attacking both sides. Element of surprise was the key thing here.
It sure adds up how Stark kids are getting respect for telling everything as truth thanks to Eddard Stark. Vale lords believed Sansa right away. Stannis believed Jon Snow right on the spot.
What a season! What an episode! So much stuff happened!
Beyond the wall: Mance is a cool dude. Stannis showing up with an army out of nowhere was somewhat unexpected. I imagine an alliance of Westerosi and wildlings against the white walkers could be in the making.
Arya/The Hound: When the fight broke out, I expected Brienne to win, but in a much more honorable manner. That was a dirty fight if I ever saw one. RIP Hound! Arya is one cold hearted bitch, too cruel to even finish off The Hound. Finally she's off to becoming a Braavosi assassin.
Daenerys: boring and pointless, as her storyline has been for at least two seasons. Cross the sea already!
Tyrion: His escape aided by Jaime and Varys wasn't too unexpected for me. His vengeance was though. I didn't take Tyrion for a murderer. RIP Tywin, badass acting!
House Lannister: Pretty much fucked now. Without Tywin, everything falls apart. Cersei makes the decisions now, and she's pretty terrible at it. She'll blatantly affront House Tyrell by cancelling her and Tommen's wedding and leave the Lannisters without their strongest ally. Tommen doesn't even have any advisors left: the small council now consists of Grand Maester Pycelle and Mace Tyrell. El Oh El.
The Mountain: Did I understand it right that the Mountain is still alive, but mortally wounded, plus poisoned on top of that? And that new maester is basically going to frankensteinize him? That sounds weird and out of place.
Bran: I don't know what the hell is going on. Bran has come to somehow fulfill his still unknown destiny, which I assume involves the ability to shapeshift into a raven to fly around. I don't mind magic normally, but what I like about GoT is that it uses it sparingly, and Bran's storyline sounds too gimicky and convoluted to fit in.
On June 17 2014 05:02 AsnSensation wrote: I understand that this was heavy cavalry against light armored footsoldiers but I thought Stannis only had a small army left, how did he defeat 100k so fast.
anyway after this episode I definitely understand why so many bookreaders like stannis the fucking mannis.
Tyrion - Shae+Tywin scene was meh after all the hype it got but from what I read on reddit it seems the D&D changed a lot and left out an epic scene most book readers expected to be the last scene.
Kind of surprised it wasn't Daeny that got the very last scene of the season once again but considering how excited I am for more Bravos and more Arya adventures, she deserved it!
The 100K wildlings weren't prepared for battle. The bulk would have been doing boring camp activities like foraging for food and preparing it to eat. In the face of a prepared cavalry attack they likely just retreated or surrendered as unorganized infantry tend to get rekt by cavalry. So I doubt the wildlings actually suffered heavy casualties, which sets up a political decision for Stannis next season - what to do with the Wildling captives and the remains of the army.
On June 17 2014 05:02 AsnSensation wrote: I understand that this was heavy cavalry against light armored footsoldiers but I thought Stannis only had a small army left, how did he defeat 100k so fast.
anyway after this episode I definitely understand why so many bookreaders like stannis the fucking mannis.
Tyrion - Shae+Tywin scene was meh after all the hype it got but from what I read on reddit it seems the D&D changed a lot and left out an epic scene most book readers expected to be the last scene.
Kind of surprised it wasn't Daeny that got the very last scene of the season once again but considering how excited I am for more Bravos and more Arya adventures, she deserved it!
The 100K wildlings weren't prepared for battle. The bulk would have been doing boring camp activities like foraging for food and preparing it to eat. In the face of a prepared cavalry attack they likely just retreated or surrendered as unorganized infantry tend to get rekt by cavalry. So I doubt the wildlings actually suffered heavy casualties, which sets up a political decision for Stannis next season - what to do with the Wildling captives and the remains of the army.
yeah after I posted I actually thought myself that most of them were probably caught offguard and as someone above said a single rider from Stannis army probably could take a dozen of wildlings before going down.
2nd question: did Stannis army ride through the tunnel or did they come by ships from the sea from the outer point of the wall?
The Mountain: Did I understand it right that the Mountain is still alive, but mortally wounded, plus poisoned on top of that? And that new maester is basically going to frankensteinize him? That sounds weird and out of place.
Why is that weird ? There already been people ressurected from the death in the show. Why not frankensteinize mortaly wounded man ?
On June 17 2014 05:02 AsnSensation wrote: I understand that this was heavy cavalry against light armored footsoldiers but I thought Stannis only had a small army left, how did he defeat 100k so fast.
anyway after this episode I definitely understand why so many bookreaders like stannis the fucking mannis.
Tyrion - Shae+Tywin scene was meh after all the hype it got but from what I read on reddit it seems the D&D changed a lot and left out an epic scene most book readers expected to be the last scene.
Kind of surprised it wasn't Daeny that got the very last scene of the season once again but considering how excited I am for more Bravos and more Arya adventures, she deserved it!
The 100K wildlings weren't prepared for battle. The bulk would have been doing boring camp activities like foraging for food and preparing it to eat. In the face of a prepared cavalry attack they likely just retreated or surrendered as unorganized infantry tend to get rekt by cavalry. So I doubt the wildlings actually suffered heavy casualties, which sets up a political decision for Stannis next season - what to do with the Wildling captives and the remains of the army.
yeah after I posted I actually thought myself that most of them were probably caught offguard and as someone above said a single rider from Stannis army probably could take a dozen of wildlings before going down.
2nd question: did Stannis army ride through the tunnel or did they come by ships from the sea from the outer point of the wall?
I would guess the most practical and surprising move would be to unload the army north of the Wall, as they came by ship from the east anyway.
Obviously Stannis sailed north. He comes from Dragonstone, an island. The land route would require him to ask for passage through Lannister territory and Bolton territory and maybe even Greyjoy occupied territory and ask for passage for 4000 soldiers through the one tunnel in castle black.
arya: so hyped for next season, but she emo on a next level tyrion: his escape happened too fast imo dany: if she could just leave essos, it would be a much cooler place with dany and tyrion but dumb bitch manages to fuck everything up hound: maybe thoros of myr can save him. he had an encounter with those freedom fighters before stannis the mannis: one true king mance: how did they miss thousands of riders with all those wargs around? zero scouting loses wildlings the game.
On June 16 2014 21:40 shin_toss wrote: lol I feel sorry for Bran too when he thought he gonna walk again. Could he be transformed into raven haha.
and I have no freaking clue why is Stannis is in the north. The only thing I can think of is he wants to destroy the Boltons, burn Dreadfort to control over the North since its pretty big and organize from there before marching south to Kings Landing.
I remember a scene after the loss at Blackwater Bay where the onion knight told Stannis and Melisandre of some news (don't remember what exactly). Then the red woman consulted the fire and told Stannis that the fight for the throne means nothing anymore and that the real battle will happen in the north.I guess that is why he went to the wall.
It's not like you can't hear thousand horses running on ice.
So the fucker of this writer wasn't happy with only obyren (or however it is spelled), but also killed the hound and Tywin. While he was at it, why didn't he make Bron appear for a few seconds just to get him killed too.
On June 16 2014 21:40 shin_toss wrote: lol I feel sorry for Bran too when he thought he gonna walk again. Could he be transformed into raven haha.
and I have no freaking clue why is Stannis is in the north. The only thing I can think of is he wants to destroy the Boltons, burn Dreadfort to control over the North since its pretty big and organize from there before marching south to Kings Landing.
I remember a scene after the loss at Blackwater Bay where the onion knight told Stannis and Melisandre of some news (don't remember what exactly). Then the red woman consulted the fire and told Stannis that the fight for the throne means nothing anymore and that the real battle will happen in the north.I guess that is why he went to the wall.
Yes, but whats there to remember, it was in the "previously" segment right at the start of the episode.
THAT WAS SO GOOD. SOMEBODY POST THAT MIND EXPLOSION GIF ASAP.
I could sit here and post a huge post about everything i fucking loved about that episode but theres just too much, literally everything blew my mind one after the other in quick succession, it was fucking amazing. 10/10 TV/GoT/EVERYTHING best episode of all 4 seasons.
The only thing that didnt make sense to me was what someone mentioned on the last page about arya / hound just turning around and waltzing away from the eyrie. Although nobody knew sansa was there, the aunt had just died and the place was in disarray i assume.
Everything else makes perfect sense if you use your brains a little instead of just assuming things as facts, everyones so hung up on "100,000 wildlings" for example, women, elderly, children, untrained soldiers, lack of equipment, etc etc etc etc.
But holy fuck that was amazing. I cant even pick a favourite part. Tyrion dead on the toilet, brienne / hound. omg it was just too good. I sat there screaming at my TV "Fucking fight, fight, FIGHT, DO IT FIGHT, FIGHT" at brienne / hound and nearly fainted after it finished, it was amazing.
Im in such fanboy mode right now im rambling shit, so gooooooooooood.
On June 17 2014 05:02 AsnSensation wrote: I understand that this was heavy cavalry against light armored footsoldiers but I thought Stannis only had a small army left, how did he defeat 100k so fast.
anyway after this episode I definitely understand why so many bookreaders like stannis the fucking mannis.
Tyrion - Shae+Tywin scene was meh after all the hype it got but from what I read on reddit it seems the D&D changed a lot and left out an epic scene most book readers expected to be the last scene.
Kind of surprised it wasn't Daeny that got the very last scene of the season once again but considering how excited I am for more Bravos and more Arya adventures, she deserved it!
I doubt he defeated the whole 100k, I mean a 100k person camping + supplys takes a fuck ton of place. Like a lot. It makes more sense to me to think that Stannis' army attacked the vanguard and went straight to the heart (where Mance was) using the advantage of surprise, cavalry, training and discipline. Remember that they have made a very clear point of the wildlings being "free folk", poeple that goes along doing what they want and only Mance is keeping them united towards a single goal : safety. Upon seeing cavalry lines charging towards them, some obviously abandonned and fled (most of them actually, it didn't look like much of the wildlings where trying to fight, we saw a lot being slauthered while running).
So I guess it's safe to assume most of the free folk just ran away. I mean even if they were unarmed and sleeping, the slaughter of a 100k should take quite some time.
THAT WAS SO GOOD. SOMEBODY POST THAT MIND EXPLOSION GIF ASAP.
I could sit here and post a huge post about everything i fucking loved about that episode but theres just too much, literally everything blew my mind one after the other in quick succession, it was fucking amazing. 10/10 TV/GoT/EVERYTHING best episode of all 4 seasons.
The only thing that didnt make sense to me was what someone mentioned on the last page about arya / hound just turning around and waltzing away from the eyrie. Although nobody knew sansa was there, the aunt had just died and the place was in disarray i assume.
Everything else makes perfect sense if you use your brains a little instead of just assuming things as facts, everyones so hung up on "100,000 wildlings" for example, women, elderly, children, untrained soldiers, lack of equipment, etc etc etc etc.
But holy fuck that was amazing. I cant even pick a favourite part. Tyrion dead on the toilet, brienne / hound. omg it was just too good. I sat there screaming at my TV "Fucking fight, fight, FIGHT, DO IT FIGHT, FIGHT" at brienne / hound and nearly fainted after it finished, it was amazing.
Im in such fanboy mode right now im rambling shit, so gooooooooooood.
I'm guessing their reasoning was that there weren't any relatives there that would be willing to pay the 'reward' the hound was after.
No i understood that, rather being able to leave scott-free without someone being informed 1) big-ass bounty guy standing there who conspired against the king and 2) Arya stark, noble girl, relative of recently deceased eyrie "leaderlady" and captive of said hound are standing at the gate. It was rather unusual for nothing to come of the situation.
EPT
(the hound is not confirmed dead but his impact will be next to nothing either way..)
