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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 13 2014 08:24 Hider wrote: Further, GRRM typically punishes mistakes, regardless of whether they are made by the good or bad guys. Jon Snow has bascially only done what he was supposed to do so far. I really doubt he will get punished any time soon. If Janos Slynt becomes head of the nights watch, as he seemed to have some power prior this season, then jon snow may well be screwed. the only people who knew how cowardly Janos acted are either dead, a woman, or jon or sam who snuck a woman into the castle, jon is gone right now, so the only one to talk against him is sam. Sam's friends are all dead or gone so who is going to take a stewards side? jon returns from his mission failed and Slynt orders his execution for breaking his vows prior to secure power. Jon's made enough mistakes to be killed, but has always been too useful to die, if slynt takes power in the nights watch, jon's usefulness stops outweighing him being a liability. | ||
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Dark Lord
United States38 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 13 2014 09:40 Dark Lord wrote: Everyone on the wall should know that Slynt was no longer there after Jon took command. Since he was hiding that means no one fighting below would have saw him fighting. Anyone should be able to deduce from that that he was likely hiding. Unfortunately no one actually saw him except Sam and Gilly and their words are not particularly worth anything. It would think someone in the Nights Watch whose word carries weight would be smart enough to piece the truth together, but I wouldn't be surprised if Slynt manages to get away with it. He could probably get away with it from just asking for support and citing his time in kings landing, don't underestimate the confusion and fear of battle and eminent death. people will cling to anything they think might give them hope, and slynt's track record could do just that, even though we as an audience know its mostly politics and BS. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On June 13 2014 09:03 obesechicken13 wrote: I don't think Jon Snow has plot armor tbh. Ned Stark didn't. They can always advance the plot however they like. Dany is the only one with plot armor as far as I can tell. Oh you totally missed my point here. Killing Ned stark off had HUGE HUGE implications for the story. Killing Jon Snow off???? What will happen there? Nothing...... The whole Jon Snow story would just have been a waste of time. Even killing oberryn off can have interesting implications as now Dorne might get pretty fucking mad at the Lannisters. Killing Joffrey --> Led to Tyrions trial. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On June 13 2014 10:00 Hider wrote: Oh you totally missed my point here. Killing Ned stark off had HUGE HUGE implications for the story. Killing Jon Snow off???? What will happen there? Nothing...... The whole Jon Snow story would just have been a waste of time. Even killing oberryn off can have interesting implications as now Dorne might get pretty fucking mad at the Lannisters. Killing Joffrey --> Led to Tyrions trial. Jon living or dying will likely just be the climax of the wall though. I mean, his entire story has been about defending the wall against the wildlings. He was safe until the actual battle, because he needed to be there to let everyone know/defend it, but from here on out he's fair game. I mean, what happens if he DOES succeed and live? We just get an update every few episodes with Jon standing on the wall going "Yep, all clear for now"? I could see him sacrifice himself to kill the wilding leader or something. Kind of the same way the leader of castle black did a few seasons back, to give Jon a chance to warn everyone. Now that everyone is warned, Jon sacrifices himself to actually stop it. Then the wall is safe, until the white walkers come and everything goes to hell haha. | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
On June 13 2014 10:28 killa_robot wrote: Jon living or dying will likely just be the climax of the wall though. I mean, his entire story has been about defending the wall against the wildlings. He was safe until the actual battle, because he needed to be there to let everyone know/defend it, but from here on out he's fair game. I mean, what happens if he DOES succeed and live? We just get an update every few episodes with Jon standing on the wall going "Yep, all clear for now"? I could see him sacrifice himself to kill the wilding leader or something. Kind of the same way the leader of castle black did a few seasons back, to give Jon a chance to warn everyone. Now that everyone is warned, Jon sacrifices himself to actually stop it. Then the wall is safe, until the white walkers come and everything goes to hell haha. If Jon dies tho, there will be less main characters on the Wall. Unless Benjamin Stark (from Season 1) returns, the wall will be dull character wise. But that's just my opinion. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On June 13 2014 10:40 EnumaAvalon wrote: If Jon dies tho, there will be less main characters on the Wall. Unless Benjamin Stark (from Season 1) returns, the wall will be dull character wise. But that's just my opinion. Agreed, he's the only character in that entire area I care about. What are we going to do if he dies? Have the random adventures of Sam and Gilly? Kill me now please, I'd fast forward through their scenes if Sam wasn't probably important to defeating the White Walkers somehow and I might miss something. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 13 2014 10:40 EnumaAvalon wrote: If Jon dies tho, there will be less main characters on the Wall. Unless Benjamin Stark (from Season 1) returns, the wall will be dull character wise. But that's just my opinion. If jon dies and Janos slynt takes charge, the wall isn't going to stand long, and the wildlings and white walkers invade the seven kingdoms. there will be a hell of a lot of main characters forced to react to that. | ||
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RobotZombie_91
Ukraine15 Posts
Jon might still think he can talk with Mance because nobody every exposed him as betraying the wildlings/freemen, however he's still in the knights watch cloth so I don't know how that will be explained. I am still waiting for bran's arc to get more interesting or daenerys' as well. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 13 2014 11:07 biology]major wrote: All of the remaining starks seem to have alot of plot armor atm. They have all been developing to do big things for a while now, and until those things are accomplished, they gon be alive. Jon's done his duty, he kept the wall alive long enough to send ravens to the great houses saying the wildlings have attacked the wall in a great army he can die now. Arya's been alive long enough to let slip they she's alive somewhere with the hound by having her name announced on the way to random her to Lysa, more starks other than sansa means there can be multiple claims to the north and the bolton's have an issue to stir up shit with, Bran has that whole trip north and then the the other seer with him had that vision of them all dying in flames, so i mean that has to have something to do with melisandre or the big fire the wildlings are burning yeah? Sansa is probably doomed to forever be a political tool, probably bartered off to Ramsay by petyr after tyrion gets executed and she can remarry. ramsay marrying sansa gives the boltons complete claims and control of the north likely in exchange for support of petyr over the king. sealing the north to the bolton bloodline forever is a bit more valuable than being given a title that sansa's existence threatens. she only needs to bear a child. and seriously who knows what the hell happened to the youngest stark kid. | ||
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RobotZombie_91
Ukraine15 Posts
On June 13 2014 11:07 biology]major wrote: All of the remaining starks seem to have alot of plot armor atm. They have all been developing to do big things for a while now, and until those things are accomplished, they gon be alive. Not really, because in Game of Thrones you will have a quest/mission and then just die and nothing comes of it, that's the whole point not everyone completes their task. Anyway, once a task is done there's always another and it's not about one individual characters so everyone is at risk. | ||
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RobotZombie_91
Ukraine15 Posts
On June 13 2014 11:15 PrinceXizor wrote: Jon's done his duty, he kept the wall alive long enough to send ravens to the great houses saying the wildlings have attacked the wall in a great army he can die now. Arya's been alive long enough to let slip they she's alive somewhere with the hound by having her name announced on the way to random her to Lysa, more starks other than sansa means there can be multiple claims to the north and the bolton's have an issue to stir up shit with, Bran has that whole trip north and then the the other seer with him had that vision of them all dying in flames, so i mean that has to have something to do with melisandre or the big fire the wildlings are burning yeah? Sansa is probably doomed to forever be a political tool, probably bartered off to Ramsay by petyr after tyrion gets executed and she can remarry. ramsay marrying sansa gives the boltons complete claims and control of the north likely in exchange for support of petyr over the king. sealing the north to the bolton bloodline forever is a bit more valuable than being given a title that sansa's existence threatens. she only needs to bear a child. and seriously who knows what the hell happened to the youngest stark kid. Yeah agree. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
You guys realise that without a character or two there wouldn't be a story, be it in a book, tv, theater etc. Writers can't go "and right after that, xxx was smothered on the spot by a meteorite and that was that" because there wouldn't be any story to tell, lol. So stop using this phrase. | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
On June 13 2014 11:31 Steveling wrote: What is this silly plot armor thingie? You guys realise that without a character or two there wouldn't be a story, be it in a book, tv, theater etc. Writers can't go "and right after that, xxx was smothered on the spot by a meteorite and that was that" because there wouldn't be any story to tell, lol. So stop using this phrase. I think that's exactly what plot armor is. If the character's death won't mean anything to the story, he/she won't die but if his/her death would forward the story by leaps and bounds, he/she can be cut. Take Oberyn for example. If he killed the Mountain, nothing would have happened, maybe Cercei would have killed Tyrion herself or something but if he died, Tyrion's trial will reach a new level of excitement for us and Dorne would have reasons to not love the Iron Throne. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Jon Snow is popular, Alliser Thorne is at least respected, Janos Slynt was so good at commanding the gold cloaks he got shipped off to exile. Maester Aemon would become Lord Commander before Janos Slynt gets that title. And Aemon is blind. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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lilopuppy
Philippines542 Posts
On June 13 2014 09:03 obesechicken13 wrote: I don't think Jon Snow has plot armor tbh. Ned Stark didn't. They can always advance the plot however they like. Dany is the only one with plot armor as far as I can tell. Wtf are you saying? Ofc Jon Snow has plot armor. He's the closest thing they have to a main character, he'll have it, just not some OP level stuff like Luffy, Joker, or Justin Bieber. The thing is his plot armor is handled with class and is pretty much enforced by events that happen before, no obvious Deux Ex Machina BS. While Dany, Dany has Draconian level armor. Or Dragonus Ex Machina. Was really expecting one of her dragons to die while in infancy at one point, like some kind of plot twist. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
Oberyn had better become example number two of this or I will accept the theory that GRRM has a dart board with pictures and gets drunk and throws a dart. That character dies if hit. | ||
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