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On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote:
I was just annoyed by the twist lol. Too much M. Night. Shyamalan for me.
Also lol at the arya/hound scene. She would have needed a mace or a hammer and 100 pounds extra muscle to do anything to his chest armour -.-. Or you know, she could have stabbed him in the face. I actually hope we get to see syrio again, usually this show makes it painfully explicit whenever named characters die and they made a big point of having him "die" off screen.
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
Too much complaining for one post. I actually love this show, I just spend too much time analysing whenever I like something :p .
I think the reason why that development sucked was because this show was supposed to be about all these complex, hard to predict events coming about and here we have Littlefinger successfully in killing a king, two hands, and orchestrating two coups. Just because he's evil doesnt make it realistic either, there are plenty of other evil people playing the Game. For me it just highlights my main gripe with Martin's writing. Good guys never get lucky in a positive way, principle bad guys almost always get lucky. Low level bad guys and low level good guys are the reverse so we arent too mad about it.
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On May 06 2014 11:50 Sub40APM wrote:
Why doesnt Bran permanently posses Hodor and fashion some kind of saddle for his body on top of him. Or better yet have those two useless kids drag his out-of-body body while Bran Hodor's some mofos up.
He was told that spending too much time in the wolf would be a problem, so the same probably applies for staying in humans.
On May 06 2014 01:31 karazax wrote:
Yeah and further shows how bat crazy Lysa is that she had Tyrion on trial for the murder of her Husband when she did it herself.
Well not quite, since if someone tell a serious lie like "Lannister(s) killed him", they can't suddenly tell the truth just because someone else is actually getting vengeance on them. That's probably the whole reason they chose the Lannisters in the first place— they didn't like them and wouldn't care if something bad happened.
It actually probably explains why she would be so unfair to Tyrion, since obviously without proper charges and evidence a unbiased person wouldn't put him in such an unfair situation.
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Does anyone actually like Bran's storyline? I think its the worst/most annoying part of game of thrones
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Yes. Like, the screen time isn't as good as some others but it's probably one of the ones I'm really curious about and looking forward to whats gonna happen.
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It definitely has the most potential. Bran has the most magical powers of anyone besides perhaps the Red Woman. I'm sure he's pivotal somewhere down the road.
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does arya even have the reach to thrust a sword into the hounds eye? that might be why she went for the stomach stab lol plus kinda still needs his protective and "guidance" to the vale.
Also you can ride the dragons? i read it a couple of pages and i think...there some memory if it when dany was back with drogo and her brother was talking about them but that might be getting mixed up with some eragon memories, but yeah can u actually fight with swords on a fully grown dragon, i would imagine u wouldnt have the reach even if the dragon swooped down to kill men on horses, and u might as well just breath fire on them instead, whats the point of having swords, even like dragon vs dragon combat doesnt the fatness and side length of the dragon make it too big for swords to even meet (even if they flying next to each other?)
Also i cant remember if its been meantion or again the eragon stuff but do dragons wear armor?
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On May 06 2014 13:29 Shock710 wrote:
does arya even have the reach to thrust a sword into the hounds eye? that might be why she went for the stomach stab lol plus kinda still needs his protective and "guidance" to the vale.
Also you can ride the dragons? i read it a couple of pages and i think...there some memory if it when dany was back with drogo and her brother was talking about them but that might be getting mixed up with some eragon memories, but yeah can u actually fight with swords on a fully grown dragon, i would imagine u wouldnt have the reach even if the dragon swooped down to kill men on horses, and u might as well just breath fire on them instead, whats the point of having swords, even like dragon vs dragon combat doesnt the fatness and side length of the dragon make it too big for swords to even meet (even if they flying next to each other?)
Also i cant remember if its been meantion or again the eragon stuff but do dragons wear armor?
Yes you can ride the dragons. Not sure if the Dany having problems controlling the dragons is normal or if it's because the world has been without dragons for so long or maybe because her blood is less powerful for some reason through the generations. The dragons were getting smaller and smaller until they disappeared... Don't think they wore any armor, I mean that would involve someone taking a long time measuring the dragons dimensions and then having to put it on the dragon. That seems incredibly risky to any invidual... Basing it off of the lore videos that have come out so far.
But anyway when they first conquered the 7 kingdoms they rode the dragons into battle, not much more is known about them other than they seemingly obeyed their masters in combat and wrecked face everywhere. They probably just wielded swords for show and if they maybe fell off and had to defend themselves. The dragons were all on the Targaryen side so they never fought each other.
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The problem with the Bran storyline is that he seems to be crucial in stopping the White Walker army by doing some Tree Magic or whatever and there is no way that he's gonna die until that happens.
I would actually love to see him failing, but I don't think it's gonna happen. This predictability makes the whole storyline kinda uninteresting.
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I finally figured out where i thought ive seen that tree before, pocahontas!!!
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On May 06 2014 12:09 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote:
I was just annoyed by the twist lol. Too much M. Night. Shyamalan for me.
Also lol at the arya/hound scene. She would have needed a mace or a hammer and 100 pounds extra muscle to do anything to his chest armour -.-. Or you know, she could have stabbed him in the face. I actually hope we get to see syrio again, usually this show makes it painfully explicit whenever named characters die and they made a big point of having him "die" off screen.
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
Too much complaining for one post. I actually love this show, I just spend too much time analysing whenever I like something :p .
I think the reason why that development sucked was because this show was supposed to be about all these complex, hard to predict events coming about and here we have Littlefinger successfully in killing a king, two hands, and orchestrating two coups. Just because he's evil doesnt make it realistic either, there are plenty of other evil people playing the Game. For me it just highlights my main gripe with Martin's writing. Good guys never get lucky in a positive way, principle bad guys almost always get lucky. Low level bad guys and low level good guys are the reverse so we arent too mad about it.
The bad guys do get unlucky. Joffrey just died, Viserys was killed very early on, Janos Slynt was sent to the Wall, Theon is currently being humiliated and has been broken as a man, and I'm sure there are others I am forgetting.
For what it matters, Dany has also been pretty lucky, and I think she's generally considered to be one of the good guys. Tyrion has also had a whole lot of luck, and he's a fan favourite.
I think the problem with GoT is that because of the shocking deaths (Ned, Robb), people tend to keep looking for those deaths instead of enjoying the story.
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On May 06 2014 15:25 Spaylz wrote:
The bad guys do get unlucky. Joffrey just died, Viserys was killed very early on, Janos Slynt was sent to the Wall, Theon is currently being humiliated and has been broken as a man, and I'm sure there are others I am forgetting.
Tywin Lannister is trying to run a kingdom with his king/grandson just murdered under his nose, his gold mines dried up 3 years ago and they owe millions, he had to disown his eldest son, despises his dwarf son who is also on trial for murder which disgraces the family name, and thinks his daughter is very morally flawed.
Tyrion is locked up and on trial for the murder of his king which he didn't do.
Jaime lost a hand, has to learn to fight with his left hand, and is seemingly losing his lover Cercei.
Cercei just lost her first-born son, and she has to marry Ser Loras Tyrell.
All the mutineers just got slaughtered by the Night's Watch.
One of the things I have loved about this point in the show is that everyone seems to be getting the short end of the stick in one way or another, not just the Starks anymore. I'm so sick of the typical good guy beats bad guy despite the situation looking so dire or impossible to get out of. No matter the situation I know everyone is in danger.
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On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote:
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
What do you mean exactly? In the end it is a fantasy show, so comparatively super advanced stuff like the pyromancers can always be explained with some lesser form of magic. And green fire that burns on water is probably just that, magic, to a regular foot soldier.
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On May 06 2014 16:24 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote:
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
What do you mean exactly? In the end it is a fantasy show, so comparatively super advanced stuff like the pyromancers can always be explained with some lesser form of magic. And green fire that burns on water is probably just that, magic, to a regular foot soldier.
it doesnt even have to be magic. Greeks were using some form of that green fire type stuff in the 7th-9th century. I think the crow-communication system and the magical economic system of the Eastern continent are the least 'scientifically' realistic things when we are talking about technology and not just random magical things.
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On May 06 2014 15:25 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 12:09 Sub40APM wrote:On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote:
I was just annoyed by the twist lol. Too much M. Night. Shyamalan for me.
Also lol at the arya/hound scene. She would have needed a mace or a hammer and 100 pounds extra muscle to do anything to his chest armour -.-. Or you know, she could have stabbed him in the face. I actually hope we get to see syrio again, usually this show makes it painfully explicit whenever named characters die and they made a big point of having him "die" off screen.
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
Too much complaining for one post. I actually love this show, I just spend too much time analysing whenever I like something :p .
I think the reason why that development sucked was because this show was supposed to be about all these complex, hard to predict events coming about and here we have Littlefinger successfully in killing a king, two hands, and orchestrating two coups. Just because he's evil doesnt make it realistic either, there are plenty of other evil people playing the Game. For me it just highlights my main gripe with Martin's writing. Good guys never get lucky in a positive way, principle bad guys almost always get lucky. Low level bad guys and low level good guys are the reverse so we arent too mad about it. The bad guys do get unlucky. Joffrey just died, Viserys was killed very early on, Janos Slynt was sent to the Wall, Theon is currently being humiliated and has been broken as a man, and I'm sure there are others I am forgetting. For what it matters, Dany has also been pretty lucky, and I think she's generally considered to be one of the good guys. Tyrion has also had a whole lot of luck, and he's a fan favourite. I think the problem with GoT is that because of the shocking deaths (Ned, Robb), people tend to keep looking for those deaths instead of enjoying the story.
They get unlucky in a very positive-for-the-main-bad-guys-way.
Joff the unstable psychopath dies, Tommen the pliable young guy gets to be king. Visery's the unstable idiot dies, Danerys gets 3 dragons, the best king's guard in a generation, a bunch of super slave soldiers -- all possible by the way because her idiot husband got an infection by fighting barehanded, so now instead of being his subserviant wife and trodding along with him as he rapes and pillages things while the dragons are in their eggs she has all this nice shit and no husband so she can marry a nice rich noblemen in Westeros to cement her power. Slynt was a non-entity, Theon another fool whose idiocy only helped to break the North and had he obeyed his father Winterfel would have never fallen. Like I said, the bad guys almost always profit by good luck (Rob cant control his dick, Theon cant obey orders, Tyrells side with the only House that can truly rival them, Littlefinger is the James Bond of evil) and the main good guys almost always get fucked over (what if Robert decided to make the 8 instead of hunt a pig on that particular weekend, war's over, Lannisters as a house destroyed). On the lower levels is turned around, so small time bad guys get their revenge and small time good guys are okay/do well.
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Well, you are not gonna get very far by being nice to everyone and playing along all the time.
This is also true in our world.
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Who has the strongest Plot Armor right now, you guys think?
My moneys on Bran and Arya. Both are just way too invested into the story before they did anything significant yet. I mean, I would be truly shocked if they just showed Arya die to a simple tavern brawl because of The Hound and his chicken. Or have Bran die due to the one-of-a-million things that can kill you north of the wall.
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On May 06 2014 16:24 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote:
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
What do you mean exactly? In the end it is a fantasy show, so comparatively super advanced stuff like the pyromancers can always be explained with some lesser form of magic. And green fire that burns on water is probably just that, magic, to a regular foot soldier.
More like how the architecture and the ships and the economic system seem like something from the 1500s yet there is absolutely no gunpowder. The maesters have some form of scientific method and a germ theory and in general seem to be on the level of early 1800s but again, no gunpowder. Westeros just doesn't strike me as a world that would develop advanced medicine before more efficient ways of killing things. And magic isn't prevalent enough to explain the lack of guns. At least if wizards shooting fireballs were more readily accessible that would explain why they haven't bothered developing them. Then again if the last episode is anything to go by there might be some fireball lobbing coming up soon -.-.
I dunnu though history is not really my forte and it's possible that I'm underestimating what people in the 1100s or so were capable of.
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Gunpowder was invented in China in the 9th century and only became mainstream in Europe 4 centuries later.
Maybe gunpowder is invented already somewhere else and wasn't brought to Westeros yet. Or they don't have the ingredients like sulfur or potassium nitrate in Westeros to make gunpowder. Also, having no gunpowder saves on the the special effects budget.
But I agree, some of the things in Game of Thrones don't look very medieval, but rather 16th-17th century-ish.
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Zurich15355 Posts
On May 06 2014 17:48 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 16:24 zatic wrote:On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote:
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
What do you mean exactly? In the end it is a fantasy show, so comparatively super advanced stuff like the pyromancers can always be explained with some lesser form of magic. And green fire that burns on water is probably just that, magic, to a regular foot soldier. More like how the architecture and the ships and the economic system seem like something from the 1500s yet there is absolutely no gunpowder. The maesters have some form of scientific method and a germ theory and in general seem to be on the level of early 1800s but again, no gunpowder. Westeros just doesn't strike me as a world that would develop advanced medicine before more efficient ways of killing things. And magic isn't prevalent enough to explain the lack of guns. At least if wizards shooting fireballs were more readily accessible that would explain why they haven't bothered developing them. Then again if the last episode is anything to go by there might be some fireball lobbing coming up soon -.-. I dunnu though history is not really my forte and it's possible that I'm underestimating what people in the 1100s or so were capable of.
I think it is actually modeled relatively closely along the lines of the middle ages Europe.
Keep in mind all of the impressive architecture is either magical (The Wall) or built by a gone, more advanced civilization (Targaryans). Current Westeros could most likely not build another King's Landing.
Funny you mention Maesters since I actually find medicine extremely lacking. There seems to be no surgery except amputation. All the drugs seem to be natural ointments that may or may not work, which the maesters found out about by trial and error. All this seems in line with Medieval understanding of medicine. And again can be explained by the fictional world in which effective natural potions exist in the first place.
Same goes for the Raven messenger system, which can simply be explained by exceptionally capable birds in that world.
Not sure how much we can say about the economic system. However there were plenty advanced economies in our history (Like the Muslim world, Byzantium, not to speak of Rome) before technological progress would catch up.
What I find more interesting is less the current state, but that there seems to be little technological progress. The history of civilization in the show is about 8000 years old according to the tales about the last time the White Walkers were around - plenty of time for some innovation, compared to our some 3000 years.
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