On May 06 2014 19:44 kwizach wrote: I'd like to downplay a bit this Littlefinger twist given some of the hyperbole posted in the last few pages - sure, we now know that he was behind Jon Arryn's death, but he's not the one who asked Robert's squire to serve him a lot of wine in order to make the hunt dangerous, leading to his death, and he's not the one who decided to behead Ned Stark, fully launching the war, either. He's not behind the assassination of Renly, which completely turned the tide of the war, or behind the assassination of Robb Stark. So yes, he played a role in the grand scheme of things, but let's not get too excited and say he was behind everything that happened since Arryn's death. Beyond this, I feel that a bit of clarification is needed with regards to his objectives and the means he employs to achieve them. I'm sorry, but "keeping one's enemies confused" is a completely insufficient reason to do what he did. He stated that he "wants it all", which implies sitting on the iron throne, but I fail to see how some of his actions are supposed to help achieving that. Until we are provided more information as per how his moves are tied together, he looks more like a pretty artificial plot device to me.
We don't have all the info to know exactly what Littlefinger's plot is, but we do know a few things:
1) He plotted to have John Arryn killed by his wife, no doubt with the promise that he loved her and would marry her.
2) He plotted to have the Lanniser's blamed for that murder. It's not completely clear what his goal was in doing so, but the result was Ned agreeing to become Robert's Hand and come to King's Landing and investigate John Arryn's death.
3) He lied and told Ned that the dagger used to try and kill Bran was one Tyrion had won from him, further incriminating the Lannisters, indirectly resulting in war between the Lannisters and Starks after Cat captures Tyrion.
4) When King Robert learns that Daenerys Targaryen is pregnant, Baelish agrees with Robert in advocating her assassination. Ned resigns as Hand in protest of Robert's command, but before he can arrange to travel back to Winterfell, Petyr approaches him with the promise of assistance in his investigation into Jon Arryn's death. He leads Ned to a brothel where a young whore is raising one of Robert's bastard children. He is present when Ned is accosted by men led by Ser Jaime Lannister while returning from the city shortly thereafter.
5) After King Robert's mortal wounding and his subsequent naming of Eddard as Regent and Lord Protector, Baelish advises Ned that despite their knowledge that Queen Cersei's children are illegitimate and that Stannis Baratheon is the legal heir, the wisest course of action is to ensure Joffrey's succession and accept a long term appointment as Regent and Lord Protector until Joffrey came of age, a maneuver calculated to avoid all-out war and maximize their own power. Eddard refuses the suggestion and enlists Petyr's help in securing the allegiance of the city watch to ensure its loyalty when he moves against Cersei. Baelish agrees, but betrays Ned, bribing the City Watch to support the Queen. This leads to Stark's arrest and eventual execution for treason. It seems likely that if Ned had agreed to take power for himself and kept Petyr as one of his cheif advisors then he would not have betrayed Ned, at least not at that point. He no doubt knew that Stannis would likely remove him from his position in court and set him back significantly, while betraying Ned increased his standing with the Lannisters.
6) He is appointed to broker an alliance with the Tyrells after Renly's death. This is likely when the seeds to kill Joffrey would have been planted. He succeeds and the Tyrells help win the battle of the Blackwater, repelling Stannis. After the battle he is named lord of Harrenhal, even though he never moves in there. It does make him a lord though, which opens him to be a suitable social standing for a husband for Lysa. He also schemes to poison Joffrey and take Sansa out of the capital before going to the Eyrie. The help in killing Joffrey done on the behest of the Tyrells to further his influence with them. Whether on purpose or not, Tyrion is once again blamed for something Petyr is involved in.
So I don't know that we can say he planned everything that has happened so far, but we can say that he created opportunities where there would be openings in positions of power and made moves to take advantage of those positions to further his own causes.
also, dont forget what he managed to do to damage the starks during the war. he managed to convince catlyn to commit treason and free jaime in hope of getting her daughters back. which resulted in an internal revolt within the stark banners and in the end forced rob stark to an alliance with frey, which as we all know ended in the red wedding.
Technically, that was Tyrion. Littlefinger was just the messenger.
Why would anyone choose "no one"? She's killed what —like 3?— people already and she's not-even (or hardly) hit puberty? With such a big death list and interest in combat there's simply no chance she wouldn't kill someone else in her lifetime (unless she gets killed off, but who really thinks that will happen any time soon? I guess some people?).
On May 06 2014 13:00 Assault_1 wrote: Does anyone actually like Bran's storyline? I think its the worst/most annoying part of game of thrones
I didn't, but it's maybe been at least somewhat interesting since season 4.
I don't like Danerys' storyline either though. Jorah and Barristan are cool, but everything else is junk, and all they do is sit around following her which is pretty lame.
Most likely some other random dude. The way it's looking atm she's not gonna interact with most people apart from those currently at Lysas castle. And I dont think she knows much about littlefinger (i.e. his betrayal of Ned, even though I think this might just as well been self-defense in some way), for otherwise I would expect him to be amongst those she named.
By the way, all I remember about Arya and Sansas relation was that Arya was angry at Sansa because of the hound killed. Did they reconcile with each other before Arya fled Kings Landing?
On May 07 2014 02:01 Mafe wrote: Most likely some other random dude. The way it's looking atm she's not gonna interact with most people apart from those currently at Lysas castle. And I dont think she knows much about littlefinger (i.e. his betrayal of Ned, even though I think this might just as well been self-defense in some way), for otherwise I would expect him to be amongst those she named.
By the way, all I remember about Arya and Sansas relation was that Arya was angry at Sansa because of the hound killed. Did they reconcile with each other before Arya fled Kings Landing?
no they didn't have a chance IIRC
Sansa was obviously being a bitch that time. I fucking hate her more than joeffry when the has not yet begun.
I think arya and sansa are ok now if ever they were to meet. Both didn't seem to hold grudge against each other after all they are siblings. And they are not like cersei.
Thats amazing. Also seen a lot of other videos from the same guys. Just a shame their filming style is kinda trash. I'd rather have a longer video that goes into more detail and the people are humanized a bit more instead of this "We made a badass sword! *insert dupstep* "Look at us bash random objects and fruits with it!"
On May 06 2014 19:44 kwizach wrote: I'd like to downplay a bit this Littlefinger twist given some of the hyperbole posted in the last few pages - sure, we now know that he was behind Jon Arryn's death, but he's not the one who asked Robert's squire to serve him a lot of wine in order to make the hunt dangerous, leading to his death, and he's not the one who decided to behead Ned Stark, fully launching the war, either. He's not behind the assassination of Renly, which completely turned the tide of the war, or behind the assassination of Robb Stark. So yes, he played a role in the grand scheme of things, but let's not get too excited and say he was behind everything that happened since Arryn's death. Beyond this, I feel that a bit of clarification is needed with regards to his objectives and the means he employs to achieve them. I'm sorry, but "keeping one's enemies confused" is a completely insufficient reason to do what he did. He stated that he "wants it all", which implies sitting on the iron throne, but I fail to see how some of his actions are supposed to help achieving that. Until we are provided more information as per how his moves are tied together, he looks more like a pretty artificial plot device to me.
We don't have all the info to know exactly what Littlefinger's plot is, but we do know a few things:
1) He plotted to have John Arryn killed by his wife, no doubt with the promise that he loved her and would marry her.
2) He plotted to have the Lanniser's blamed for that murder. It's not completely clear what his goal was in doing so, but the result was Ned agreeing to become Robert's Hand and come to King's Landing and investigate John Arryn's death.
3) He lied and told Ned that the dagger used to try and kill Bran was one Tyrion had won from him, further incriminating the Lannisters, indirectly resulting in war between the Lannisters and Starks after Cat captures Tyrion.
4) When King Robert learns that Daenerys Targaryen is pregnant, Baelish agrees with Robert in advocating her assassination. Ned resigns as Hand in protest of Robert's command, but before he can arrange to travel back to Winterfell, Petyr approaches him with the promise of assistance in his investigation into Jon Arryn's death. He leads Ned to a brothel where a young whore is raising one of Robert's bastard children. He is present when Ned is accosted by men led by Ser Jaime Lannister while returning from the city shortly thereafter.
5) After King Robert's mortal wounding and his subsequent naming of Eddard as Regent and Lord Protector, Baelish advises Ned that despite their knowledge that Queen Cersei's children are illegitimate and that Stannis Baratheon is the legal heir, the wisest course of action is to ensure Joffrey's succession and accept a long term appointment as Regent and Lord Protector until Joffrey came of age, a maneuver calculated to avoid all-out war and maximize their own power. Eddard refuses the suggestion and enlists Petyr's help in securing the allegiance of the city watch to ensure its loyalty when he moves against Cersei. Baelish agrees, but betrays Ned, bribing the City Watch to support the Queen. This leads to Stark's arrest and eventual execution for treason. It seems likely that if Ned had agreed to take power for himself and kept Petyr as one of his cheif advisors then he would not have betrayed Ned, at least not at that point. He no doubt knew that Stannis would likely remove him from his position in court and set him back significantly, while betraying Ned increased his standing with the Lannisters.
6) He is appointed to broker an alliance with the Tyrells after Renly's death. This is likely when the seeds to kill Joffrey would have been planted. He succeeds and the Tyrells help win the battle of the Blackwater, repelling Stannis. After the battle he is named lord of Harrenhal, even though he never moves in there. It does make him a lord though, which opens him to be a suitable social standing for a husband for Lysa. He also schemes to poison Joffrey and take Sansa out of the capital before going to the Eyrie. The help in killing Joffrey done on the behest of the Tyrells to further his influence with them. Whether on purpose or not, Tyrion is once again blamed for something Petyr is involved in.
So I don't know that we can say he planned everything that has happened so far, but we can say that he created opportunities where there would be openings in positions of power and made moves to take advantage of those positions to further his own causes.
also, dont forget what he managed to do to damage the starks during the war. he managed to convince catlyn to commit treason and free jaime in hope of getting her daughters back. which resulted in an internal revolt within the stark banners and in the end forced rob stark to an alliance with frey, which as we all know ended in the red wedding.
Littlefinger was just the messenger.
wrong, no one else other than littlefinger could have convinced cat to do the trade and littlefinger could have just disobeyed this order or lie about it if it wasnt for his own benefit. notice how he kept aryas identity a secret from tywin after he found out she works for him as a servant in harrenhal. telling tywin about it would have only benefitted the lannisters and not himself. thats why he didnt care to tell.
On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote: I was just annoyed by the twist lol. Too much M. Night. Shyamalan for me.
Also lol at the arya/hound scene. She would have needed a mace or a hammer and 100 pounds extra muscle to do anything to his chest armour -.-. Or you know, she could have stabbed him in the face. I actually hope we get to see syrio again, usually this show makes it painfully explicit whenever named characters die and they made a big point of having him "die" off screen.
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
Too much complaining for one post. I actually love this show, I just spend too much time analysing whenever I like something :p .
OMG I just thought maybe Jakken Haegar (or however you write his name) the shape changer guy was also Syrio! 0_o
On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote: I was just annoyed by the twist lol. Too much M. Night. Shyamalan for me.
Also lol at the arya/hound scene. She would have needed a mace or a hammer and 100 pounds extra muscle to do anything to his chest armour -.-. Or you know, she could have stabbed him in the face. I actually hope we get to see syrio again, usually this show makes it painfully explicit whenever named characters die and they made a big point of having him "die" off screen.
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
Too much complaining for one post. I actually love this show, I just spend too much time analysing whenever I like something :p .
OMG I just thought maybe Jakken Haegar (or however you write his name) the shape changer guy was also Syrio! 0_o
On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote: I was just annoyed by the twist lol. Too much M. Night. Shyamalan for me.
Also lol at the arya/hound scene. She would have needed a mace or a hammer and 100 pounds extra muscle to do anything to his chest armour -.-. Or you know, she could have stabbed him in the face. I actually hope we get to see syrio again, usually this show makes it painfully explicit whenever named characters die and they made a big point of having him "die" off screen.
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
Too much complaining for one post. I actually love this show, I just spend too much time analysing whenever I like something :p .
OMG I just thought maybe Jakken Haegar (or however you write his name) the shape changer guy was also Syrio! 0_o
On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote: I was just annoyed by the twist lol. Too much M. Night. Shyamalan for me.
Also lol at the arya/hound scene. She would have needed a mace or a hammer and 100 pounds extra muscle to do anything to his chest armour -.-. Or you know, she could have stabbed him in the face. I actually hope we get to see syrio again, usually this show makes it painfully explicit whenever named characters die and they made a big point of having him "die" off screen.
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
Too much complaining for one post. I actually love this show, I just spend too much time analysing whenever I like something :p .
OMG I just thought maybe Jakken Haegar (or however you write his name) the shape changer guy was also Syrio! 0_o
On May 06 2014 11:59 KlaCkoN wrote: I was just annoyed by the twist lol. Too much M. Night. Shyamalan for me.
Also lol at the arya/hound scene. She would have needed a mace or a hammer and 100 pounds extra muscle to do anything to his chest armour -.-. Or you know, she could have stabbed him in the face. I actually hope we get to see syrio again, usually this show makes it painfully explicit whenever named characters die and they made a big point of having him "die" off screen.
On a completely different note, does anyone else feel like the general science / tech level in this universe makes no fucking sense?
Too much complaining for one post. I actually love this show, I just spend too much time analysing whenever I like something :p .
OMG I just thought maybe Jakken Haegar (or however you write his name) the shape changer guy was also Syrio! 0_o
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