Judging from the trailer for the next episode, it looks like Tywin is pushing for Tyrion to be found guilty. What would Tywin have to gain from having Tyrion killed? He hates him, but that's not how Tywin makes decisions. Could Tywin be in on the assassination plan and need someone to frame? Tywin does profit quite a bit from Joffrey's death after all: he stays in power until Tommen comes of age, Tommen is easier to control than Joffrey, and it's some time before the Tyrells gain the title of queen.

Spaylz

Japan1743 Posts

May 08 2014 09:14 GMT

#22763

On May 08 2014 17:40 Scorch wrote:
Judging from the trailer for the next episode, it looks like Tywin is pushing for Tyrion to be found guilty. What would Tywin have to gain from having Tyrion killed? He hates him, but that's not how Tywin makes decisions. Could Tywin be in on the assassination plan and need someone to frame? Tywin does profit quite a bit from Joffrey's death after all: he stays in power until Tommen comes of age, Tommen is easier to control than Joffrey, and it's some time before the Tyrells gain the title of queen.

It's been said and demonstrated many times that Tywin hates Tyrion. In season 1, he sent him in the vanguard against the (fake) army of Robb Stark. Tywin didn't dare kill Tyrion himself when he was a babe, but it seems he's not against setting circumstances in which Tyrion would likely be killed. A trial for kingslaying seems like the perfect opportunity.

fartosis77

Belgium461 Posts

May 08 2014 10:38 GMT

#22764

Plus he needs Dorne. So giving up Tyrion for the exchange of the Mountain to Oberyn might be a sweet two birds with one stone type of deal.

Mafe

Germany5966 Posts

May 08 2014 10:55 GMT

#22765

Do we know who Tywin actually believes to be Joffreys murderer? Maybe he's just genuinely convinced that it was Tyrion?

iamperfection

United States9645 Posts

May 08 2014 13:29 GMT

#22766

On May 08 2014 19:55 Mafe wrote:
Do we know who Tywin actually believes to be Joffreys murderer? Maybe he's just genuinely convinced that it was Tyrion?

He doesn't seem the dumb type. Plus he has admitted in the past that tyrion is pretty clever.

Shock710

Australia6097 Posts

May 08 2014 13:51 GMT

#22767

Im so sure tywin doesnt think its tyrion, tyrion provement to be brave, witty, very calculated and overall not an evil evil person. Even tho tywin might hate tyrion for killing his wife, its still his own son

karazax

United States3737 Posts

May 08 2014 14:41 GMT

#22768

On May 08 2014 11:37 Dfgj wrote:

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Not to mention drinking poison at the start of S2 and being completely unaffected, and suggesting she could have stopped the wildfire from killing sailors at Blackwater.

Has Thoros brought back others besides Beric?

Some of her power may be strictly tied to her ability to see the future, much like Jojen. We don't know if her leech sacrifice "caused" the deaths of Robb and Joffrey or if she just saw their deaths in the flames and is taking credit for what she knew was going to happen regardless. It's hard to believe there would be no red wedding or poisoning of Joffrey if only the leeches hadn't been sacrificed, in comparison to Renly's death where she clearly had a direct hand in causing.

urboss

Austria1223 Posts

May 08 2014 16:58 GMT

#22769

Poll: Who is your favorite "good guy"?

Davos (21)

24%

Podrick (13)

15%

Jaqen H'ghar (12)

14%

Hodor (11)

13%

Maester Aemon (7)

8%

Jon Snow (6)

7%

Ser Barristan (5)

6%

Bran (2)

2%

Ser Jorah (2)

2%

Sam (2)

2%

Grey Worm (2)

2%

Tommen (2)

2%

Loras Tyrell (1)

1%

Gendry (0)

0%

86 total votes

Your vote: Who is your favorite "good guy"?

(Vote): Davos
(Vote): Ser Barristan
(Vote): Jon Snow
(Vote): Podrick
(Vote): Bran
(Vote): Ser Jorah
(Vote): Hodor
(Vote): Sam
(Vote): Gendry
(Vote): Grey Worm
(Vote): Loras Tyrell
(Vote): Tommen
(Vote): Maester Aemon
(Vote): Jaqen H'ghar

goody153

44235 Posts

May 08 2014 17:11 GMT

#22770

On May 09 2014 01:58 urboss wrote:

Poll: Who is your favorite "good guy"?

Davos (21)

24%

Podrick (13)

15%

Jaqen H'ghar (12)

14%

Hodor (11)

13%

Maester Aemon (7)

8%

Jon Snow (6)

7%

Ser Barristan (5)

6%

Bran (2)

2%

Ser Jorah (2)

2%

Sam (2)

2%

Grey Worm (2)

2%

Tommen (2)

2%

Loras Tyrell (1)

1%

Gendry (0)

0%

86 total votes

Your vote: Who is your favorite "good guy"?

isn't it obvious ? Hodor of course

iamperfection

United States9645 Posts

May 08 2014 17:11 GMT

#22771

No tyrion?

Takkara

United States2503 Posts

May 08 2014 17:16 GMT

#22772

Tywin can't lose Tyrion, right? Whether he likes to admit it or not, Tyrion is the heir to Casterly Rock if Jaime maintains his position in the Kingsguard. If he kills Tyrion and Cersei marries Loras, then it is as likely that Highgarden would get Casterly Rock as the reverse.

CatfooD

United States203 Posts

May 08 2014 17:21 GMT

#22773

Putting Hodor in the polls always ruins them in my opinion.

goody153

44235 Posts

May 08 2014 17:24 GMT

#22774

On May 09 2014 02:21 CatfooD wrote:
Putting Hodor in the polls always ruins them in my opinion.

I beg to differ that it's what makes the polls awesome.

CatfooD

United States203 Posts

May 08 2014 17:41 GMT

#22775

On May 09 2014 02:24 goody153 wrote:

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I beg to differ that it's what makes the polls awesome.

So awesome... Doesn't matter the subject, here's a poll and Hodor is on top. Couldn't have guessed that one. Although this poll is much more relevant than others with him in it I admit.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36383 Posts

May 08 2014 17:44 GMT

#22776

On May 09 2014 02:24 goody153 wrote:

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I beg to differ that it's what makes the polls awesome.

you could ask any poll question and hodor would win, literally anything, thats why its pointless to include him because it skews the results to the point of obscuring any sort of useful information

example

Poll: Did you read the books?

Hodor (30)

70%

Yes (9)

21%

No (4)

9%

43 total votes

Your vote: Did you read the books?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Hodor

Poll: Which continent are you on?

Hodor (23)

68%

North America (6)

18%

Europe (4)

12%

Australia (1)

3%

South America (0)

0%

Africa (0)

0%

Asia (0)

0%

34 total votes

Your vote: Which continent are you on?

(Vote): North America
(Vote): South America
(Vote): Europe
(Vote): Africa
(Vote): Asia
(Vote): Australia
(Vote): Hodor

Poll: Favorite Season of Game of Thrones?

Hodor (27)

69%

Season 1 (6)

15%

Season 4 (so far) (3)

8%

Season 2 (2)

5%

Season 3 (1)

3%

39 total votes

Your vote: Favorite Season of Game of Thrones?

(Vote): Season 1
(Vote): Season 2
(Vote): Season 3
(Vote): Season 4 (so far)
(Vote): Hodor

goody153

44235 Posts

May 08 2014 17:47 GMT

#22777

Guys i was just having fun you know joking and of course i agree that Hodor should not be included in serious polls.

and I voted Hodor on every poll Hotbid made.

The_Red_Viper

19533 Posts

May 08 2014 17:48 GMT

#22778

I think you are right!

Poll: Who should do future interviews for teamliquid?

Hodor (26)

76%

Hotbid (8)

24%

34 total votes

Your vote: Who should do future interviews for teamliquid?

(Vote): Hotbid
(Vote): Hodor

urboss

Austria1223 Posts

May 08 2014 17:55 GMT

#22779

Well, in this case it's not so easy.
Hodor is definitely a fan favorite.
How do you distinguish the "Hodor" people from people that actually like the character Hodor?

Poll: Do you like the character Hodor?

Hodor (13)

68%

No (5)

26%

Yes (1)

5%

19 total votes

Your vote: Do you like the character Hodor?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Hodor