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On May 06 2014 15:25 Spaylz wrote:
For what it matters, Dany has also been pretty lucky

On May 06 2014 16:46 Sub40APM wrote:

They get unlucky in a very positive-for-the-main-bad-guys-way.
Joff the unstable psychopath dies, Tommen the pliable young guy gets to be king. Visery's the unstable idiot dies, Danerys gets 3 dragons, the best king's guard in a generation, a bunch of super slave soldiers -- all possible by the way because her idiot husband got an infection by fighting barehanded, so now instead of being his subserviant wife and trodding along with him as he rapes and pillages things while the dragons are in their eggs she has all this nice shit and no husband so she can marry a nice rich noblemen in Westeros to cement her power. Slynt was a non-entity, Theon another fool whose idiocy only helped to break the North and had he obeyed his father Winterfel would have never fallen. Like I said, the bad guys almost always profit by good luck (Rob cant control his dick, Theon cant obey orders, Tyrells side with the only House that can truly rival them, Littlefinger is the James Bond of evil) and the main good guys almost always get fucked over (what if Robert decided to make the 8 instead of hunt a pig on that particular weekend, war's over, Lannisters as a house destroyed). On the lower levels is turned around, so small time bad guys get their revenge and small time good guys are okay/do well.

On May 06 2014 19:01 SkelA wrote:
Bran + Hodor got the ultimate plot armor. I cant see Bran dying at all because its clear as day that he will mind control the dragons to kill the white walkers.

On May 06 2014 19:56 urboss wrote:

No need for that.
Mind controlling Hodor will be enough to stop the White Walkers!
Also, Jojen can set Hodor on fire to make him unstoppable.

On May 06 2014 19:01 SkelA wrote:
Bran + Hodor got the ultimate plot armor. I cant see Bran dying at all because its clear as day that he will mind control the dragons to kill the white walkers. Hodor will lose plot armor if Bran can recover his legs through magic or whatever.

On May 06 2014 18:27 BobMcJohnson wrote:
So Bran + Hodor is now officially the Alchemist from dota right?

On May 06 2014 21:06 goody153 wrote:
Is it just me or Bran + Hodor is the alchemist(dota 2) of the GOT world ?

i mean alchemist also has a small guy and a big guy

oh yeah what's with the boy in fire ? can someone explain that part ?

On May 06 2014 19:44 kwizach wrote:
I'd like to downplay a bit this Littlefinger twist given some of the hyperbole posted in the last few pages - sure, we now know that he was behind Jon Arryn's death, but he's not the one who asked Robert's squire to serve him a lot of wine in order to make the hunt dangerous, leading to his death, and he's not the one who decided to behead Ned Stark, fully launching the war, either. He's not behind the assassination of Renly, which completely turned the tide of the war, or behind the assassination of Robb Stark. So yes, he played a role in the grand scheme of things, but let's not get too excited and say he was behind everything that happened since Arryn's death. Beyond this, I feel that a bit of clarification is needed with regards to his objectives and the means he employs to achieve them. I'm sorry, but "keeping one's enemies confused" is a completely insufficient reason to do what he did. He stated that he "wants it all", which implies sitting on the iron throne, but I fail to see how some of his actions are supposed to help achieving that. Until we are provided more information as per how his moves are tied together, he looks more like a pretty artificial plot device to me.

On May 06 2014 22:45 AsnSensation wrote:
Jojen knows more about the series than G R R Martin himself

On May 06 2014 22:41 karazax wrote:



We don't have all the info to know exactly what Littlefinger's plot is, but we do know a few things:

1) He plotted to have John Arryn killed by his wife, no doubt with the promise that he loved her and would marry her.

2) He plotted to have the Lanniser's blamed for that murder. It's not completely clear what his goal was in doing so, but the result was Ned agreeing to become Robert's Hand and come to King's Landing and investigate John Arryn's death.

3) He lied and told Ned that the dagger used to try and kill Bran was one Tyrion had won from him, further incriminating the Lannisters, indirectly resulting in war between the Lannisters and Starks after Cat captures Tyrion.

4) When King Robert learns that Daenerys Targaryen is pregnant, Baelish agrees with Robert in advocating her assassination. Ned resigns as Hand in protest of Robert's command, but before he can arrange to travel back to Winterfell, Petyr approaches him with the promise of assistance in his investigation into Jon Arryn's death. He leads Ned to a brothel where a young whore is raising one of Robert's bastard children. He is present when Ned is accosted by men led by Ser Jaime Lannister while returning from the city shortly thereafter.

5) After King Robert's mortal wounding and his subsequent naming of Eddard as Regent and Lord Protector, Baelish advises Ned that despite their knowledge that Queen Cersei's children are illegitimate and that Stannis Baratheon is the legal heir, the wisest course of action is to ensure Joffrey's succession and accept a long term appointment as Regent and Lord Protector until Joffrey came of age, a maneuver calculated to avoid all-out war and maximize their own power. Eddard refuses the suggestion and enlists Petyr's help in securing the allegiance of the city watch to ensure its loyalty when he moves against Cersei. Baelish agrees, but betrays Ned, bribing the City Watch to support the Queen. This leads to Stark's arrest and eventual execution for treason. It seems likely that if Ned had agreed to take power for himself and kept Petyr as one of his cheif advisors then he would not have betrayed Ned, at least not at that point. He no doubt knew that Stannis would likely remove him from his position in court and set him back significantly, while betraying Ned increased his standing with the Lannisters.

6) He is appointed to broker an alliance with the Tyrells after Renly's death. This is likely when the seeds to kill Joffrey would have been planted. He succeeds and the Tyrells help win the battle of the Blackwater, repelling Stannis. After the battle he is named lord of Harrenhal, even though he never moves in there. It does make him a lord though, which opens him to be a suitable social standing for a husband for Lysa. He also schemes to poison Joffrey and take Sansa out of the capital before going to the Eyrie. The help in killing Joffrey done on the behest of the Tyrells to further his influence with them. Whether on purpose or not, Tyrion is once again blamed for something Petyr is involved in.

So I don't know that we can say he planned everything that has happened so far, but we can say that he created opportunities where there would be openings in positions of power and made moves to take advantage of those positions to further his own causes.