On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
He is mainly waging war against the Lannisters, and look how close their homeland is to the Iron Islands. Obviously having their fleet would have been a huge asset.
On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
You sure he didn't say Casterly Rock? The seat of the Lannisters is not that far by sea from the Iron Islands, but who knows how strong their naval forces are on that side of the continent. Regardless, it would have made their lives much more difficult if they had Ironborn raiding the coastline of both the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
He is mainly waging war against the Lannisters, and look how close their homeland is to the Iron Islands. Obviously having their fleet would have been a huge asset.
Not to mention that the greyjoys attacked the lannisters before in a rebellion (in a surprise backstabing attack during peacetime I think); in season 1 there's the scene were tyrion makes fun of theon about it. Funny note: In that scene, Theon defends their eventual loss with "we were outnumbered ten to one", while later in his speech after he conquered winterfell, he tries to motivate his warriors with "they say every ironborn man is worth a dozen from the mainland."
On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
You sure he didn't say Casterly Rock? The seat of the Lannisters is not that far by sea from the Iron Islands, but who knows how strong their naval forces are on that side of the continent. Regardless, it would have made their lives much more difficult if they had Ironborn raiding the coastline of both the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
It's in this scene "We can't take kings landing without ships"
But yeah I guess putting pressure on the lanister lands would also help them getting kings landing easier.
Wasn't that impressed by this first episode. Only felt the last scene was really memorable. Most of the rest had a clear "first episode" vibe to it, reminding where everyone is at and introducing a new character. Not that it's bad, since its necessary but I don't know... something felt off. Still, it's better that what I'm used to in "filler" episodes in other series so I'm not gonna whine too much
On April 10 2014 03:39 rezoacken wrote: Wasn't that impressed by this first episode. Only felt the last scene was really memorable. Most of the rest had a clear "first episode" vibe to it, reminding where everyone is at and introducing a new character. Not that it's bad, since its necessary but I don't know... something felt off. Still, it's better that what I'm used to in "filler" episodes in other series so I'm not gonna whine too much
Game of Thrones has very little filler stuff (usually those that involve naked woman but sometimes those are also very important like Littlefinger's monologue), what usually looks like filler is always a set up for future development or explanation why characters do something later. Go back to "filler" episodes from last seasons and you will see what I am talking about.
What I meant was the episodes (this one included) I could qualify as inferior in GoT are better than the customary filler episodes of other series. I wasn't trying to say that GoT had fillers
First episode was passable. My friend said the next episode is apparently written (screenplay..? I hope I'm not talking out my ass) by GRRM himself and should be one of the strongest episodes of the season or even the whole series so far. We'll see but I'm psyched.
next episode is written by grrm, you can check it on the GoT episodes wiki.
i personally cant tell the difference between the writers XD
"filler" episodes are hard to avoid, people have hard time tracking character names and i doubt people can follow all the story lines even with the show plastering it all over the place. for example, i thought tyrion's uneasy acting was great because he knew why oberyn came and he had to make sure. some complained of tyrion's acting...*shrug*
On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
You sure he didn't say Casterly Rock? The seat of the Lannisters is not that far by sea from the Iron Islands, but who knows how strong their naval forces are on that side of the continent. Regardless, it would have made their lives much more difficult if they had Ironborn raiding the coastline of both the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
It's in this scene "We can't take kings landing without ships"
But yeah I guess putting pressure on the lanister lands would also help them getting kings landing easier.
That's true. Huh.
It's technically possible for the Ironmen to attack King's Landing by sea, it would just take a ridiculous amount of time and effort. They would need to either sail through the rivers, and be very spread out, or they would need to go all the way around the land, through the south and Dorne, to go back up to King's Landing.
Attacking Casterly Rock makes a lot more sense. Theon's uncles have done it before, as we know from the conversation between Tyrion and Theon in S1. That line could be a mistake? Especially since, in S2, when Theon goes to Pyke and his father reveals his plan, Theon advocates that if they ally with Robb Stark, he'll "give them Casterly Rock".
if the next episode is written by grrm it means its gonna be epic. cant see him taking time to write an episode thats not absolutely important to the plot.
On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
You sure he didn't say Casterly Rock? The seat of the Lannisters is not that far by sea from the Iron Islands, but who knows how strong their naval forces are on that side of the continent. Regardless, it would have made their lives much more difficult if they had Ironborn raiding the coastline of both the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
On April 10 2014 03:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 10 2014 02:23 ZasZ. wrote:
On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
You sure he didn't say Casterly Rock? The seat of the Lannisters is not that far by sea from the Iron Islands, but who knows how strong their naval forces are on that side of the continent. Regardless, it would have made their lives much more difficult if they had Ironborn raiding the coastline of both the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
It's in this scene "We can't take kings landing without ships"
But yeah I guess putting pressure on the lanister lands would also help them getting kings landing easier.
Well, Stannis attacked King's Landing by sea as well, so it could just be a weak point in the city's defenses.
I always thought it was because he was attacking from Dragonstone, an island close to the coastline of Kings Landing. Renly never mentioned having any naval forces what so ever, he was marching with the entire host from the reach and the stormlands on solid ground.
On April 10 2014 03:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 10 2014 02:23 ZasZ. wrote:
On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
You sure he didn't say Casterly Rock? The seat of the Lannisters is not that far by sea from the Iron Islands, but who knows how strong their naval forces are on that side of the continent. Regardless, it would have made their lives much more difficult if they had Ironborn raiding the coastline of both the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
It's in this scene "We can't take kings landing without ships"
But yeah I guess putting pressure on the lanister lands would also help them getting kings landing easier.
Well, Stannis attacked King's Landing by sea as well, so it could just be a weak point in the city's defenses.
I always thought it was because he was attacking from Dragonstone, an island close to the coastline of Kings Landing. Renly never mentioned having any naval forces what so ever, he was marching with the entire host from the reach and the stormlands on solid ground.
Fair point. We don't know what Renly's plan was or if it had any merits though.
I did find this (audio quality seems off):
(2:56) "Stannis knows King's Landing. He knows where the walls are strongest, and he knows which gates are weakest. The Mud Gate. A good ram will batter it down in minutes, and it's only 50 yards from the water."
On April 10 2014 03:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 10 2014 02:23 ZasZ. wrote:
On April 10 2014 00:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm rewatching the earlier seasons, and I found something very strange. Robb sends off Theon to the iron islands to gather ships to take kings landing. But if you look at the map of westeros that makes no sense at all, the iron island ships would be on the wrong side of the continent, it would be much easier to walk to kings landing....?
You sure he didn't say Casterly Rock? The seat of the Lannisters is not that far by sea from the Iron Islands, but who knows how strong their naval forces are on that side of the continent. Regardless, it would have made their lives much more difficult if they had Ironborn raiding the coastline of both the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
It's in this scene "We can't take kings landing without ships"
But yeah I guess putting pressure on the lanister lands would also help them getting kings landing easier.
That's true. Huh.
It's technically possible for the Ironmen to attack King's Landing by sea, it would just take a ridiculous amount of time and effort. They would need to either sail through the rivers, and be very spread out, or they would need to go all the way around the land, through the south and Dorne, to go back up to King's Landing.
Attacking Casterly Rock makes a lot more sense. Theon's uncles have done it before, as we know from the conversation between Tyrion and Theon in S1. That line could be a mistake? Especially since, in S2, when Theon goes to Pyke and his father reveals his plan, Theon advocates that if they ally with Robb Stark, he'll "give them Casterly Rock".
When the Ottomans took Constantinople, they avoided sea defenses by carrying their ships overland to a more advantageous body of water.
Ships can be moved (particularly given the Iron Islanders seem more of a 'small, raiding ship' type), but you still need the ships + capable crews, and the Greyjoys have those.
On April 10 2014 08:28 AsnSensation wrote: Was the guy who married one of Frey's daughters killed as well during the red wedding?
Edmure Tully? No.
In the last episode of S3, there is a scene where Walder Frey and Roose Bolton talk about the Red Wedding, and what it means for them. Lord Frey then mentions that Edmure is his prisoner.
He could be dead though, for all we know. But I doubt it.
On April 10 2014 08:28 AsnSensation wrote: Was the guy who married one of Frey's daughters killed as well during the red wedding?
Edmure Tully? No.
In the last episode of S3, there is a scene where Walder Frey and Roose Bolton talk about the Red Wedding, and what it means for them. Lord Frey then mentions that Edmure is his prisoner.
He could be dead though, for all we know. But I doubt it.
How awkward must it have been to get laid by a very beautiful girl, then find out that everyone you were with has been massacred.
On April 10 2014 08:28 AsnSensation wrote: Was the guy who married one of Frey's daughters killed as well during the red wedding?
Edmure Tully? No.
In the last episode of S3, there is a scene where Walder Frey and Roose Bolton talk about the Red Wedding, and what it means for them. Lord Frey then mentions that Edmure is his prisoner.
He could be dead though, for all we know. But I doubt it.
How awkward must it have been to get laid by a very beautiful girl, then find out that everyone you were with has been massacred.
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