EPTI can tell we're in for a good season here.
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I can tell we're in for a good season here. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Point being, that guy. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8232 Posts
On April 11 2014 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Hasn't the season finished filming? Of course it is. It would be impossible to have filming in 10 different locations around the world and not finish it all before editing. The wording is a bit poor tho. Should have said "was" directed. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On April 11 2014 07:48 KlaCkoN wrote: Yeah he broke off an engagement. Compared to Tywin who orders execution by rape, murder of children and slaughter of entire (civilian) villages just 'cause. And of course he supports a maniacal sadist having absolute power over the civilians in King's Landing. The moral comparison is pretty much as black and white as it gets in GoT :p When did he order any of those things? Except for murder of children I'm not sure he ordered any of those things to happen. The rape of Elia Martell (I'm assuming that's what you are talking about) was done by Gregor Clegane, who likely extrapolated on Tywin's orders. I'm sure Tywin wanted the Targaryen dynasty exterminated, but he didn't order any rapes specifically. As long as Rhaegar's wife and children were alive, Robert's claim would be in jeopardy, and that's kind of what the whole war was hinging on. As far as the slaughter of entire civilian villages, that's just war for you. The civilians in the Riverlands provide Robb Stark and his army with food, so slash and burn is a completely viable strategy. He can't control what his soldiers do on an individual basis. And he supports a maniacal sadist because that sadist happens to be his grandson. He's obviously (you can tell by the way they interact) disappointed in how inept Joffrey is as a ruler, but he is the ruler they have. He's been trying to teach him but is mainly ruling the realm by himself. To Tywin, an incompetent grandson is a better ruler than a competent individual from any other family, because dynasty is all he cares about. I definitely wouldn't call him honorable, but I think that's the whole point. There really isn't anyone (besides Davos!) who is completely honorable in this show. All you can really say about Tywin is that he is really good at what he does, which is improving the position of his family. It's unfortunate the rest of them aside from Tyrion are fairly incompetent, and Tyrion doesn't get any credit. | ||
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
On April 11 2014 09:46 ZasZ. wrote: When did he order any of those things? Except for murder of children I'm not sure he ordered any of those things to happen. The rape of Elia Martell (I'm assuming that's what you are talking about) was done by Gregor Clegane, who likely extrapolated on Tywin's orders. I'm sure Tywin wanted the Targaryen dynasty exterminated, but he didn't order any rapes specifically. As long as Rhaegar's wife and children were alive, Robert's claim would be in jeopardy, and that's kind of what the whole war was hinging on. As far as the slaughter of entire civilian villages, that's just war for you. The civilians in the Riverlands provide Robb Stark and his army with food, so slash and burn is a completely viable strategy. He can't control what his soldiers do on an individual basis. And he supports a maniacal sadist because that sadist happens to be his grandson. He's obviously (you can tell by the way they interact) disappointed in how inept Joffrey is as a ruler, but he is the ruler they have. He's been trying to teach him but is mainly ruling the realm by himself. To Tywin, an incompetent grandson is a better ruler than a competent individual from any other family, because dynasty is all he cares about. I definitely wouldn't call him honorable, but I think that's the whole point. There really isn't anyone (besides Davos!) who is completely honorable in this show. All you can really say about Tywin is that he is really good at what he does, which is improving the position of his family. It's unfortunate the rest of them aside from Tyrion are fairly incompetent, and Tyrion doesn't get any credit. Minor point but the slashing and burning happened during the first season, before any official war happened. It was in response to Catelyn catching Tyrion. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On April 11 2014 10:16 Dismay wrote: Minor point but the slashing and burning happened during the first season, before any official war happened. It was in response to Catelyn catching Tyrion. I'm pretty sure the Lannisters took the kidnapping of Tyrion as an act of war that commenced open hostilities (duel in the streets, etc). | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On April 11 2014 14:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I wonder who Tywin made the second sword for, himself? Maybe Lancel? Tywins way of trolling Cersei by giving every family member who slept with her a Valyrian steel sword. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
On April 11 2014 15:11 jinorazi wrote: might as well upgrade the stick up his ass with a valyrian steel LMFAO | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On April 11 2014 18:47 Andre wrote: When we're on the subject of Tywin, I find it really odd that a man of his resources doesn't know of Jaime/Cersei. At least that's what I assume because he doesn't strike me as someone who would just ignore that, being so dedicated to his family. Im pretty sure he knows, i remember him dropping hints about "digusting rumors" he's heard, in the previous seasons. imo hes trying pretty hard to ignore it/block it out | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On April 11 2014 19:00 Shock710 wrote: Im pretty sure he knows, i remember him dropping hints about "digusting rumors" he's heard, in the previous seasons. imo hes trying pretty hard to ignore it/block it out Tywin isn't the kind of guy who lets the past affect his current situation and decision making. He knows it's happened. I don't really see how he couldn't and he's too smart to not know Joffrey is there kid. Thats the hand he has been dealt and he is gonna play his cards in the way he deems best. Rob Stark was the most effective counter to him and look how that ended for him. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 11 2014 18:47 Andre wrote: When we're on the subject of Tywin, I find it really odd that a man of his resources doesn't know of Jaime/Cersei. At least that's what I assume because he doesn't strike me as someone who would just ignore that, being so dedicated to his family. Well, he did try to send Jaime back to Casterly Rock, didn't he? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 11 2014 18:47 Andre wrote: When we're on the subject of Tywin, I find it really odd that a man of his resources doesn't know of Jaime/Cersei. At least that's what I assume because he doesn't strike me as someone who would just ignore that, being so dedicated to his family. This is the same man that had Arya serving him and didn't figure it out. He is not perfect, and he is especially bad in all dealings with his children. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 11 2014 18:47 Andre wrote: When we're on the subject of Tywin, I find it really odd that a man of his resources doesn't know of Jaime/Cersei. At least that's what I assume because he doesn't strike me as someone who would just ignore that, being so dedicated to his family. He's definitely heard about it from Stannis sending out his message to every part of Westeros, but Tywin could just be dismissing it as propaganda. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On April 11 2014 19:45 Conti wrote: Well, he did try to send Jaime back to Casterly Rock, didn't he? Tywin did so while saying that he doesnt expect to get back there before he dies. He surely did so in part at least to make sure Casterly Rock doesnt go to Tyrion. It seems that all Lannisters of the main line, i.e. Tywin and his descendants apart from Myrcella, are in Kings Landing for quite some time now. Given that Tywin seems to care about his home quite a lot (at least that's what I felt from his conversations with Tyrion), it would look quite uncharacteristic to me if he left it to be ruled by some minor relative (I suppose) any longer. Maybe Tommen is Tywin's next candidate now? But then again, he's the current crown prince; it's unlikely that he would leave Kings Landing. Cersei? I guess Tywin would like getting rid of her (also would be more payback for Jaime), but Joffrey likes his mother and more Tywin-Joffrey conflicts would be inevitable here. I think Tywin has some work to do here. On an unrelated note, shameless repromotion fo the "vote for your favorite next death"-polls: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2014 02:19 Mafe wrote: Time for tough decisions: Poll: Who should die next? (Good guys edition) Sam/Aemon (5) Bran (4) Brienne (4) (one of) Brans companions (3) Some other GOOD guy (3) Jon (2) None (Yeah sure) (2) Sansa (1) Blackfish/Edmure Tully (1) Davos (1) Rickon (0) Arya (0) 26 total votes Your vote: Who should die next? (Good guys edition) (Vote): Jon Poll: Who should die next? (Neutral guys edition) Ygritte (5) a Greyjoy (5) the Hound (3) Shae/Podrick/Bronn (3) Melisandre (3) None (Yeah sure) (2) (One of) Daenerys' allies (1) Tyrion (1) Loras/Olenna (1) Stannis (1) Daenerys (0) Jaime (0) Margaery (0) some other wildlings (0) Varys (0) some other NEUTRAL guy (0) 25 total votes Your vote: Who should die next? (Neutral guys edition) (Vote): Daenerys Poll: Who should die next? (bad guys edition) Joffrey (7) Walder Frey/Roose Bolton (5) Cersei (3) a minor Lannister loyalist (Lancel, Pycelle, Ser Meryn etc.) (3) Tywin (2) Ramsay (1) None (Yeah sure) (1) None (This might actually happen) (1) some other BAD guy (1) Littlefinger (0) more White Walkers (0) Deanerys' enemy of the season (0) 24 total votes Your vote: Who should die next? (bad guys edition) (Vote): Tywin Yeah I know some people might disagree about which characters are in which category, but that's how it looked to me. I wanted neither poll to be an easy choice. Also I put characters together who some might want dead for the same reasons. It's ofc pretty inevitable that I forgot someone important. If you click the "some other guy" option, feel free to tell who you have in mind. I hope I'm not stretching any limits of this thread, I just think this would be fun to discuss. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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