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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On April 10 2014 09:27 BlackMagister wrote: Watching the Lore videos. Cersei was supposed to marry Rhaegar, but she was turned down which insulted Tywin and instead Rhaegar married someone from the Martel house, Ellia Martel. So this is why Tywin probably gave the order to have her raped and killed since her presence angered Tywin. It's still speculation that Tywin gave the order, but it's probably true and he had a motivation. edit User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On April 10 2014 09:27 BlackMagister wrote: Watching the Lore videos. Cersei was supposed to marry Rhaegar, but she was turned down which insulted Tywin and instead Rhaegar married someone from the Martel house, Ellia Martel. So this is why Tywin probably gave the order to have her raped and killed since her presence angered Tywin. It's still speculation that Tywin gave the order, but it's probably true and he had a motivation. Of course Tywin gave the order, the City was taken and sacked by the Lannister army wich he led. If Clegane acted on his own and killed a Elia and her Children by his own initiative, he would have been punished. Elia and those kids could potentially have been very important political hostages, Tywin would not just leave their destiny in the hands of his soldiers. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 10 2014 07:07 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: if the next episode is written by grrm it means its gonna be epic. cant see him taking time to write an episode thats not absolutely important to the plot. so hyped!! cant wait for sunday night :D Last season, GRRM wrote The Bear and the Maiden Fair. I don't think anything spectacular happened in that episode, if I remember correctly. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 10 2014 16:40 Conti wrote: Last season, GRRM wrote The Bear and the Maiden Fair. I don't think anything spectacular happened in that episode, if I remember correctly. Aside from Theon losing his.. manhood? ;D | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9770 Posts
Don't you mean wiener? | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
I think it's the 7th episode when Robert dies and Ned comes to the throne room where Cersei, Joffrey etc. are gathered. When Eddard presents the paper that's signed by Robert himself Cersei just tears it to pieces. Why didn't anybody(especially Barristan who read it before Cersei) react to this? It felt really odd that something that's signed by the King just got ignored totally. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 10 2014 23:53 Andre wrote: So I'm rewatching the earlier seasons and I have a question. I think it's the 7th episode when Robert dies and Ned comes to the throne room where Cersei, Joffrey etc. are gathered. When Eddard presents the paper that's signed by Robert himself Cersei just tears it to pieces. Why didn't anybody(especially Barristan who read it before Cersei) react to this? It felt really odd that something that's signed by the King just got ignored totally. Well... It's a medieval society, and she is the queen. Plus, the room is filled with Lannister men, and bribed members of the City Watch. Barristan speaks up very briefly, but loyalty and obedience are rather strong in GoT, at least in most situations. The lords and the highborn have authority, and very few people ever challenge it. Besides, as she says in the scene "we have a new king now", so even if someone had spoken up, I don't think it'd be too hard for Joffrey to just go "I don't care, I'm the king and I say ignore that paper". | ||
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
On April 10 2014 23:53 Andre wrote: So I'm rewatching the earlier seasons and I have a question. I think it's the 7th episode when Robert dies and Ned comes to the throne room where Cersei, Joffrey etc. are gathered. When Eddard presents the paper that's signed by Robert himself Cersei just tears it to pieces. Why didn't anybody(especially Barristan who read it before Cersei) react to this? It felt really odd that something that's signed by the King just got ignored totally. Here is the thing, Joffrey and Cersei had tons of soldiers and you being a witness is actually a bad thing. They could of just killed everyone, brand them as traitors and no one would question it. Who else saw the king's note besides everyone in that room, as for the soldiers, they were just bought out. The point of that scene is that littlefinger promises Ned some backup and then it turns out that he betrayed him so Ned had no physical power to try and enforce the letter. | ||
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Code
Canada634 Posts
On April 10 2014 03:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: + Show Spoiler + It's in this scene "We can't take kings landing without ships" But yeah I guess putting pressure on the lanister lands would also help them getting kings landing easier. Ya maybe this was not meant in the literal sense of "need ships to take King's Landing" specifically. "Taking" King's Landing would refer to winning the war. Ships would be beneficial to have on their side and would help in winning the war, as you said. As for the first episode, I was overall pleased with it. The last scene was great. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
On April 11 2014 04:45 Code wrote: Ya maybe this was not meant in the literal sense of "need ships to take King's Landing" specifically. "Taking" King's Landing would refer to winning the war. Ships would be beneficial to have on their side and would help in winning the war, as you said. As for the first episode, I was overall pleased with it. The last scene was great. Especially when you consider the geographics of Westeros. http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/Map_Westeros_Political.gif It's a long way from Pyke to Kings Landing, even if there are rivers you can sail through. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 11 2014 05:41 Grovbolle wrote: Especially when you consider the geographics of Westeros. http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/Map_Westeros_Political.gif It's a long way from Pyke to Kings Landing, even if there are rivers you can sail through. TBH i don't think time would matter so much | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On April 10 2014 23:53 Andre wrote: So I'm rewatching the earlier seasons and I have a question. I think it's the 7th episode when Robert dies and Ned comes to the throne room where Cersei, Joffrey etc. are gathered. When Eddard presents the paper that's signed by Robert himself Cersei just tears it to pieces. Why didn't anybody(especially Barristan who read it before Cersei) react to this? It felt really odd that something that's signed by the King just got ignored totally. I thought that was a great moment, because it perfectly showed what everything boils down to in the GoT universe: power. As Ser Jorah said about the Targaerian king, he didn't take the throne because it was his right, he took it because he could. What happens in that situation is not about a dead man's will, not about what's legally or morally right or decent; it's about what those in power decide. It doesn't matter what Robert wrote. And brilliantly, by tearing up the letter, Cersei doesn't only say that it doesn't matter, she demonstrates it. You could say she proves it. She establishes a fact before anyone has a chance to pay any attention or attribute any importance to the will. I think there's lot of truth to the idea that that kind of symbolism often plays a big role in decision-making in the real world as well. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
I guess what irks me is the blatant unfairness of how everything works in Westeros. Game of thrones indeed. Given how back-stabby everyone is, it's no wonder that the only House that exercises some honor gets destroyed the most. Besides the Starks who else would you say doesn't use questionable motives to further their goals? I really can't think of anyone. Even Stannis who seems pretty lawful and just used assassination. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9277 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On April 11 2014 07:26 Sent. wrote: Keep in mind that Robb proclaimed himself a king and broke the deal with Freys. You can say he had good reasons but those weren't very honourable deeds, especially if you consider medieval mentality of Westeros. Yeah he broke off an engagement. Compared to Tywin who orders execution by rape, murder of children and slaughter of entire (civilian) villages just 'cause. And of course he supports a maniacal sadist having absolute power over the civilians in King's Landing. The moral comparison is pretty much as black and white as it gets in GoT :p | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 11 2014 07:26 Sent. wrote: Keep in mind that Robb proclaimed himself a king and broke the deal with Freys. You can say he had good reasons but those weren't very honourable deeds, especially if you consider medieval mentality of Westeros. His people proclaimed him king. He didn't decline, but it was the Northmen who declared him King in the North after Ned died. And considering the fact that the people he would have to swear fealty to just killed his father... I don't think I would have refused either. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On April 11 2014 07:48 KlaCkoN wrote: Yeah he broke off an engagement. Compared to Tywin who orders execution by rape, murder of children and slaughter of entire (civilian) villages just 'cause. And of course he supports a maniacal sadist having absolute power over the civilians in King's Landing. The moral comparison is pretty much as black and white as it gets in GoT :p Just a nitpick, but I'm pretty sure Tywin hates that little shit Joffrey just as much as everyone else does and would much rather have a Tywin Jr., personality wise, serving as a king. It's pretty evident in the scenes between the two. | ||
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