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Episode was... decent.
+ Show Spoiler +It's clear now that Geller is real, seeing that at the car scene at night he actually performs physical actions that can't have been done by Travis. So if the show still eventually claim that Geller isn't real, then they just fucked up certain scene's involving Geller, which would be silly.
+ Show Spoiler +Other then that, the fact that the guard dog wasn't hostile is a sign (in my eyes) that the attacker/killer of Sam is a aquintance of him and/or the shop. Possibly one of his employees (one of his "flock") that turned on him. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the guy who Sam brought back to his "flock" and who we saw being batipized. But it could as well be anyone else that isn't a stranger to the shop and/or Brother Sam.
At least, that explains why the dog wasn't hostile in any way to the attacker from the start till end, but it's just a theory.
All in all, I find it that Dexter's "dark passenger" is more or less just.... a passenger now. It doesn't have the feel anymore in the lastest seasons of the "dark passenger" he so often refers it as. Find it that the killing part is done in more of a haste/hurry in the latest seasons then the more "taking time to enjoy it" way at the start of the show. I find that a bit of a shame, as it was more or less the biggest point that I liked the show for, it showed the "dark passenger" of Dexter really well . But that may be contributed to the fact on Dexter getting a family and more responsibility in his life or/and it may just as well be me who, as a viewer, is getting used to the whole concept of his killing and because of that finding it less dark over time. >.<
Either way, I enjoy the show still.
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On October 31 2011 21:02 Sfydjklm wrote:
dumping cody and aster entirely seems like such a cheap way out.
I doubt they'll be gone forever, but it does make a certain amount of sense. With the types of hours Dexter keeps, he can hardly give the kids the attention they need, it makes sense that they would live with their grandparents after Rita's death and it keeps screen time away from child actors which is always a plus from the show's perspective. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought the kids back in later seasons or just continued to cameo them like they did in season 5.
On October 31 2011 14:27 lagmaster wrote:New episode + Show Spoiler +Not sure if the 6th sense theory still holds up. There's a scene where the two of them are drinking from mugs at a bar and when they both leave the bar, you can see both mugs still on the bar stand. Still, despite the Doomsday killer's face on the newspapers, no one seems to pay him any mind. So maybe Travis just visualizes the mug as well.
+ Show Spoiler +We don't know or care about any of the other characters in that scene, so I really don't have a problem with their being a mug lying around because as far as the show's concerned, this scene is entirely from Travis/Geller's perspective. If the theory is correct, I would've liked to see no mug when they left to stay consistent with the no placesetting at the diner, but I hardly think this disproves it. Besides, I think it would make even less sense that no one would notice the only guy over 40 @ some club when his face is in the fucking paper as the Doomsday Killer.
On October 31 2011 19:11 Serelitz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Don't forget the part where he opens the trunk from the passenger seat while Travis puts the girl inside it. I definitely think the '6th sense' theory doesn't hold up
+ Show Spoiler +Again, there are no other characters we know or care about in this scene. If the theory holds true, this scene wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Who cares if Geller physically opened the trunk or if Travis is just trippin' balls and did it after he grabbed the woman's body? It's not like anyone else saw.
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Season is getting better. I dunno, hard to say if Gellar actually is a real person or not, this episode made me re-think but i still think he isn't real. Need to wait and see.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm pretty sure brother sam won't die, he is in the hospital and all. Which is good, i like the character.
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+ Show Spoiler +Man I hope ma brotha doesn't die, he is one hell of a cool character
as for the theory, I still think it can uphold, unless someone on the streets notices geller or interacts with him(physically) then I will yield it.
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On November 01 2011 00:54 Grettin wrote:Season is getting better. I dunno, hard to say if Gellar actually is a real person or not, this episode made me re-think but i still think he isn't real. Need to wait and see. + Show Spoiler +I'm pretty sure brother sam won't die, he is in the hospital and all. Which is good, i like the character.
+ Show Spoiler +I don't think he'll die right away, but that last shot looked pretty brutal (looked like a shot to the spine or something)  . I <3 Mos and think he's doing a great job with the character, but I think his time on the show is running out. Kinda just hope they don't kill the character because I like him so much, but I can't really see what they're going to do with his story other than kill him off at this point.
On November 01 2011 01:00 Kipsate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Man I hope ma brotha doesn't die, he is one hell of a cool character
as for the theory, I still think it can uphold, unless someone on the streets notices geller or interacts with him(physically) then I will yield it.
yea, I'm taking the same stance on it.
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Nope, Geller didn't make any physical interaction in this episode either. He "pushed" Travis' leg which is questionable, and the back of the car opened up automatically, before Travis got out of the car. Also he asked Travis to help him up and yet he's the one who's doing the hard work? And Travis even said that "he's much stronger than me", yeah, no.
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What does everyone think about detective mike anderson or brother sam being involved with the doomsday killer? Dexter is known to have plot twists involving characters we ve learnt to trust and like being the "bad guy". thoughts?
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Nope, seems unlikely for both of them. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Anderson is doing on the show tbh, but him being connected to the killer doesn't make sense to me.
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On November 01 2011 03:20 Notaa wrote:
What does everyone think about detective mike anderson or brother sam being involved with the doomsday killer? Dexter is known to have plot twists involving characters we ve learnt to trust and like being the "bad guy". thoughts?
highly doubt it, but i do think something between mike anderson and dexter will come in later episodes or seasons. There seemed to be some tension in this episode between them, maybe it was just me.
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On November 01 2011 03:20 valaki wrote:
Nope, Geller didn't make any physical interaction in this episode either. He "pushed" Travis' leg which is questionable, and the back of the car opened up automatically, before Travis got out of the car. Also he asked Travis to help him up and yet he's the one who's doing the hard work? And Travis even said that "he's much stronger than me", yeah, no.
He did, clearly.
Watch the episode again and skip to the scene you'r referring to here yourself. Geller clearly opens the door on his side of the car just after Travis picks up and carries the girl to the trunk. It's pretty obvious (even a small camera zoom/focus on this action) that Travis isn't the one to open the door for Geller as he isn't in the position to do that, place-wise (not near that door or any other controls to open it) and capable-wise (hands are full carrying the girl)
So even without taking into account the cups at the bar, the "pushing" of the leg of Travis and the opening of the trunk, there is still at the very least 1 physical interaction in this whole epsisode to counter the theory that Geller isn't real or/and alive. Even more so because there's a small moment where the camera "focus" on this event, perhaps for the very reason to point out that Geller is real and/or alive (or for a completely other reason, either way it happened).
Of course it all depends on how far one wants to think of physical interaction, what I pointed out isn't exactly prove for Geller to be real/alive. In the end, a mind can imagine anything one wants. So if the makers show these parts from the perspective of Travis, then even other people interacting with Geller can be Travis imagination and pretty much us being thrown off for not looking at it in that way.
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On October 31 2011 23:55 Gnight wrote:Episode was... decent. + Show Spoiler +It's clear now that Geller is real, seeing that at the car scene at night he actually performs physical actions that can't have been done by Travis. So if the show still eventually claim that Geller isn't real, then they just fucked up certain scene's involving Geller, which would be silly. Other then that, the fact that the guard dog wasn't hostile is a sign (in my eyes) that the attacker/killer of Sam is a aquintance of him and/or the shop. Possibly one of his employees (one of his "flock") that turned on him. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the guy who Sam brought back to his "flock" and who we saw being batipized. But it could as well be anyone else that isn't a stranger to the shop and/or Brother Sam.
At least, that explains why the dog wasn't hostile in any way to the attacker from the start till end, but it's just a theory. All in all, I find it that Dexter's "dark passenger" is more or less just.... a passenger now. It doesn't have the feel anymore in the lastest seasons of the "dark passenger" he so often refers it as. Find it that the killing part is done in more of a haste/hurry in the latest seasons then the more "taking time to enjoy it" way at the start of the show. I find that a bit of a shame, as it was more or less the biggest point that I liked the show for, it showed the "dark passenger" of Dexter really well . But that may be contributed to the fact on Dexter getting a family and more responsibility in his life or/and it may just as well be me who, as a viewer, is getting used to the whole concept of his killing and because of that finding it less dark over time. >.< Either way, I enjoy the show still.
I have to agree with you. This show seems to have forgotten that the main character is a complete nutjob that has an insatiable urge to kill people. Now he feels more like an over zealous superhero.
edit: About Geller, doesn't anyone find it strange that he wasn't identified by anyone even when he was on the front page of the newspaper? He doesn't look like your average guy and he does stand out, especially at some random party. At first I doubted that he wasn't real, but that part really made me think. It doesn't matter if he opened the car door or anything, since if Travis is crazy enough he could just be seeing things.
Also note the part where talks about him being weak and Geller being the strong one able to do all the killing and the "will of god". Maybe he's some sort of an alternative personality, so he can escape all the guilt from the killings.
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On November 01 2011 03:36 Gnight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 03:20 valaki wrote:
Nope, Geller didn't make any physical interaction in this episode either. He "pushed" Travis' leg which is questionable, and the back of the car opened up automatically, before Travis got out of the car. Also he asked Travis to help him up and yet he's the one who's doing the hard work? And Travis even said that "he's much stronger than me", yeah, no. He did, clearly. Watch the episode again and skip to the scene you'r referring to here yourself. Geller clearly opens the door on his side of the car just after Travis picks up and carries the girl to the trunk. It's pretty obvious (even a small camera zoom/focus on this action) that Travis isn't the one to open the door for Geller as he isn't in the position to do that, place-wise (not near that door or any other controls to open it) and capable-wise (hands are full carrying the girl) So even without taking into account the cups at the bar, the "pushing" of the leg of Travis and the opening of the trunk, there is still at the very least 1 physical interaction in this whole epsisode to counter the theory that Geller isn't real or/and alive. Even more so because there's a small moment where the camera "focus" on this event, perhaps for the very reason to point out that Geller is real and/or alive (or for a completely other reason, either way it happened). Of course it all depends on how far one wants to think of physical interaction, what I pointed out isn't exactly prove for Geller to be real/alive. In the end, a mind can imagine anything one wants. So if the makers show these parts from the perspective of Travis, then even other people interacting with Geller can be Travis imagination and pretty much us being thrown off for not looking at it in that way.
You realize that if Geller is a hallucination then Travis could have hallucinated the car door opening and Geller "pushing" his knee? Do you not know what a hallucination is?
Also, haven't you seen Fight Club?
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This night, I'll watch the 5th episode in my bed, in VOSTFR ♥♥
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On November 01 2011 03:39 Sotamursu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:55 Gnight wrote:Episode was... decent. + Show Spoiler +It's clear now that Geller is real, seeing that at the car scene at night he actually performs physical actions that can't have been done by Travis. So if the show still eventually claim that Geller isn't real, then they just fucked up certain scene's involving Geller, which would be silly. Other then that, the fact that the guard dog wasn't hostile is a sign (in my eyes) that the attacker/killer of Sam is a aquintance of him and/or the shop. Possibly one of his employees (one of his "flock") that turned on him. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the guy who Sam brought back to his "flock" and who we saw being batipized. But it could as well be anyone else that isn't a stranger to the shop and/or Brother Sam.
At least, that explains why the dog wasn't hostile in any way to the attacker from the start till end, but it's just a theory. All in all, I find it that Dexter's "dark passenger" is more or less just.... a passenger now. It doesn't have the feel anymore in the lastest seasons of the "dark passenger" he so often refers it as. Find it that the killing part is done in more of a haste/hurry in the latest seasons then the more "taking time to enjoy it" way at the start of the show. I find that a bit of a shame, as it was more or less the biggest point that I liked the show for, it showed the "dark passenger" of Dexter really well . But that may be contributed to the fact on Dexter getting a family and more responsibility in his life or/and it may just as well be me who, as a viewer, is getting used to the whole concept of his killing and because of that finding it less dark over time. >.< Either way, I enjoy the show still. I have to agree with you. This show seems to have forgotten that the main character is a complete nutjob that has an insatiable urge to kill people. Now he feels more like an over zealous superhero. edit: About Geller, doesn't anyone find it strange that he wasn't identified by anyone even when he was on the front page of the newspaper? He doesn't look like your average guy and he does stand out, especially at some random party. At first I doubted that he wasn't real, but that part really made me think. It doesn't matter if he opened the car door or anything, since if Travis is crazy enough he could just be seeing things. Also note the part where talks about him being weak and Geller being the strong one able to do all the killing and the "will of god". Maybe he's some sort of an alternative personality, so he can escape all the guilt from the killings.
Agree with all of that pretty much.
But as I said (edited in. ;p), the mind can imagine anything one can possibly.... imagine. >.<
So Travis could even imagine interaction between other people and Geller, after all imagining Geller is already quite a big thing to do, no reason to go beyond that. Therefor the theory (of Geller not being real/alive) will always be possible as long as there isn't any big interaction going on between Geller and envoriment (wheter that be a object, person etc. etc.).
The fact that he wasn't indentified doesn't mean much, it's a factor to take into account, but it can as well just be plain luck on Geller's side instead of prove for him not being real. Being at a rather busy party where (as I see it) most of the people have something else on their mind then what the newspaper stated on the frontpage is also a reason for him not being spotted. It was indeed a bit susipicious to see, but that's about it.
Split personality is a possibility, not too familiar with that whole psych side of it all, but I don't think that is quite the right wording for it. As so far it seems like Geller was real at some point (the relationship revealed this episodes says so much), a alternate personality was formed after the personality of Geller, but to the point of manifestation as a real other person.
Either way, if Geller ain't real and Travis is all imagining it, then he is pretty fucked up yeah and with that anything we see involving him in should be taken with a grain of salt, because nothing is safe from someone's imagination. xD
On November 01 2011 04:26 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 03:36 Gnight wrote:On November 01 2011 03:20 valaki wrote:
Nope, Geller didn't make any physical interaction in this episode either. He "pushed" Travis' leg which is questionable, and the back of the car opened up automatically, before Travis got out of the car. Also he asked Travis to help him up and yet he's the one who's doing the hard work? And Travis even said that "he's much stronger than me", yeah, no. He did, clearly. Watch the episode again and skip to the scene you'r referring to here yourself. Geller clearly opens the door on his side of the car just after Travis picks up and carries the girl to the trunk. It's pretty obvious (even a small camera zoom/focus on this action) that Travis isn't the one to open the door for Geller as he isn't in the position to do that, place-wise (not near that door or any other controls to open it) and capable-wise (hands are full carrying the girl) So even without taking into account the cups at the bar, the "pushing" of the leg of Travis and the opening of the trunk, there is still at the very least 1 physical interaction in this whole epsisode to counter the theory that Geller isn't real or/and alive. Even more so because there's a small moment where the camera "focus" on this event, perhaps for the very reason to point out that Geller is real and/or alive (or for a completely other reason, either way it happened). Of course it all depends on how far one wants to think of physical interaction, what I pointed out isn't exactly prove for Geller to be real/alive. In the end, a mind can imagine anything one wants. So if the makers show these parts from the perspective of Travis, then even other people interacting with Geller can be Travis imagination and pretty much us being thrown off for not looking at it in that way. You realize that if Geller is a hallucination then Travis could have hallucinated the car door opening and Geller "pushing" his knee? Do you not know what a hallucination is? Also, haven't you seen Fight Club?
Hence my last paragraph there.... I edited that in to correct myself and it clearly states the point you are trying to make, but by me.
Furthermore I said it was just one of the physical interactions one could raise as a counter to the theory of Geller not being real/alive, That doesn't make it a fact that Geller is real, nor did I ever claim it was a fact, just argument one can raise against the theory of Geller not being real.
I saw Fight Club, don't see why it matters wheter I have seen it or not. Enough movies out there that have done such a concept, Fight Club is just one of them, nothing special. *shrug*
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Started season 6 just now, first episode was amazing as always!
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Time to Climb in bed and watch another awesome episode of Dexter
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@Gnight : he did the paintings too in the previous episodes. As long as he doesn't do something that couldn't be done by Travis alone (for example opening the rear of the car would be a clear sign but, hell if he'd start dancing and singing on the top of the car, that still wouldn't prove too much) I'd like to keep the discussion open. And we found out in this episode that all the killings had to be done by the same person. Travis, if he's imagining or Geller. Now in the beginning of the episode Travis had to help Geller get up, I mean that doesn't sound like a man who'd chop bones with an axe, but who knows.
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The most interesting thing this season is how sloppy the killer is. Leaving a girl alive for the cops to kill (with a ridiculous trap btw) and messing up on abducting a girl. I do like it more when we see the killer in action vs just the grotesque results.
It's basically a killer that doesn't care because he thinks judgement day is coming in 2 weeks.
I absolutely hated how Dexter took a page from the book of the killer... how obvious for the killer. It was already clear the cuts were the same numbers in the victims.
As far as the old dude, he's definitely dead. Either killed by the killer himself and twisted into a demented hallucination by the killer being driven mad or maybe he was crazy himself but I'm not sold on that.
About the girl they questioned in this episode... I wonder what her role is in the end. I imagine she slept with Quinn on purpose. Either directly or indirectly involved with the killings. Didn't like how Batista started searching her apartment randomly. Could be ruled bad evidence (according to the preview it's going to be a problem) but at least we know the killer is going to die in the end and not get caught...
Also isn't the sister a brunette? I imagine it this way : Geller took to liking the killer's sister like his other student hoes and that's how they met (seriously didn't like that either... everyone liked him but it was known he slept with his students and even lived with some of them???). Either the killer killed him for it or didn't mind and they started working together.
Also wondering if any more people are involved. Apparently there were several girls before so it's possible.
"Would it be weird if I just left."
Ahahah I love those moments.
I immediately thought Masuka's intern was going to black mail him as soon as I saw him. Still not sold on him but it seems I was wrong. Random shit at the end (Oh I upgraded this and that..wtf? Is this a commercial?)
The part with Dexter and Travis was pretty awesome. Travis kills people but in his mind it's Geller. I'm unsure as to why he didn't kill him. I guess he wasn't convinced he was the real killer but it's really uncharacteristic of Dexter (he usually only meets his victims when he's sure of their guilt). I'm fairly certain in future episodes we will find out that call was never made and he was talking to himself on the phone for example.
I wonder what happened with the girl he captured. Didn't really make it out in the previews.
Pissed off about Brother Sam. He was a good character. I thought he might bring some real change in Dexter. I also agree about whoever said Dexter is not a nutjob that NEEDS to kill anymore (or doesn't feel like it) and I would accept that if he had a real character change that promoted that idea... but I guess the writers don't agree.
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@Kurr I lol'd so hard on the techno babble "I installed a modded intel chip to improve your CPU" and the part where he says he removed all traces of the hand from the internet.
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On November 01 2011 06:28 Sotamursu wrote:
@Kurr I lol'd so hard on the techno babble "I installed a modded intel chip to improve your CPU" and the part where he says he removed all traces of the hand from the internet.
That was T_T; that among Dexter being retarded with the book was kind of meh, and I am forgetting a third thing that irritated me.
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