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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi - Page 6
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On April 18 2017 08:20 The_Red_Viper wrote: It's really weird to me that people are so anti star wars atm. Like i get it. Episode 7 was very close to episode 4 in terms of reaching certain plot points. The funny thing is that while people complain about that, they also complain about the new "villain" because he isn't menacing enough. So what do you wants? Another darth vader which would be a complaint about similarity, or something "new" by having a villain who is conflicted, rather new to the force as well, etc (which then is new) Ofc execution of these aspects matters a lot, but it was fairly well done i think. People really just don't like adam drivers looks i guess :/ The first movie was a setup to this one, we now have our characters established and now it's time to let them have their own adventure. Luke being unsure about the jedi makes for a nice thematic topic. Like what does he mean when he says "it's so much bigger" ? There is more to it than dark/light! I think getting actually new content is what people wanted? It's funny that i defend the new movies, i am not even a big star wars fan to begin with and think the OT is overrated and viewed with nostalgia goggles. So going by the teaser, the movie will look fantastic and have a theme which wasn't really done before and might actually add nuance to the franchise (i am only talking official movies here btw, that's the stuff most people actually know and mean when they talk about star wars). A bit excited about it tbh, because it might finally show us more about the universe and force (and give it more depth), something which should have been done in the other episodes already tbh. Force Awakens was similar to old Star Wars but it went for bigger bang in cheesy way (stupid lightsaber, galactic range starkiller base, droid more droidy, snoke like emperor except even weirder, young jedi from nowhere even more prodigal apparently then any jedi before). And execution doesn't exactly feel like Star Wars. Episode 7 was nothing new + more jaw dropping toys. By that logic Episode 10 can have subtitle: the same but even more jawdropping toys. | ||
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TigerKarlGeld
27 Posts
You gotta dislike the new movies, because this makes you 1337 cool, but ignore that logical consistency would require the same criticism towards the old movies. Quite transparent. I chose enjoyment over self congratulatory elitism. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On October 11 2017 20:57 TigerKarlGeld wrote: It's the eternal inner conflict of Star Wars fans that on the one hand they're super hardcore about the original movies, which were childish, shallow and fun, and the other hand they're super critical about the new movies, which are childish, shallow and fun. You gotta dislike the new movies, because this makes you 1337 cool, but ignore that logical consistency would require the same criticism towards the old movies. Quite transparent. I chose enjoyment over self congratulatory elitism. Your statement is just self congratulatory elitism. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
There is a section of every fandom that simply loves to rip apart any piece of media created. I remember in highschool people would rip apart Deep Space 9 episodes and say the next generation was better. But TNG was some campy non-sense on a low budget stage and the enterprise was also a convention center for some reason. I still love that show, but it was amazingly weird. Episode 7 has problems, but dwelling on them sort of misses the point of enjoying films. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On October 11 2017 20:57 TigerKarlGeld wrote: It's the eternal inner conflict of Star Wars fans that on the one hand they're super hardcore about the original movies, which were childish, shallow and fun, and the other hand they're super critical about the new movies, which are childish, shallow and fun. You gotta dislike the new movies, because this makes you 1337 cool, but ignore that logical consistency would require the same criticism towards the old movies. Quite transparent. I chose enjoyment over self congratulatory elitism. I feel like the new movie didn't 'grow up' with its audiences, and that's a shame for a franchise of this size and with this kind of potential. An example of what I mean would be the Harry Potter movies - they start out very light hearted, downright silly at times -- and grow into something much darker, serious and mature towards the end of the series. The new SW movie for me didn't really show any further 'depth' -- it was more like watching The Expendables 3; ticks all the boxes, more lights, more action, but that's about it. But when I went to watch The Expendables 3, all I wanted and expected out of it was more shooting and dumbass jokes, whereas many SW fans do hope for and expect to see more depth to those movies than chases and fight scenes. edit: I don't really think SW7 was a bad movie on its own, and it was a fun enough popcorn flick. I think it was also a huge missed opportunity as a continuation of the franchise, and not nearly as interesting as it could have been. It was certainly not 'memorable' in any way, to me at least. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Think of the take away from Episode 7, that it is impossible to save our children from facings the same problems we face. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
The darkest, most "serious", most dyspotian movies are generally classified as YA and targeted at people in the 18-29 demographic. If those movies miss that age group, they are pretty much dead. That niche imploded last year with disappointing box office numbers. You're not going to see plenty of those kinds of movies in the near term. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On October 15 2017 02:45 LegalLord wrote: Has anyone here read Thrawn, the book released back in April as a (part of the canon) extension of the EU darling? I thought it had some pretty good writing and I recommend it to Star Wars fans. The original Thrawn books are some of the highest acclaimed creations of the Expanded Universe (or rather, "Legends" now that all of the old stuff got scrapped from EU canon), and they were also written by Timothy Zahn, so I'm not too surprised this turned out to be good. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6592 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On October 12 2017 00:46 Plansix wrote: A lot of people forget that critique is supposed to deepen the enjoyment of something, not lessen it. Shitting on a film isn’t critique. There is a section of every fandom that simply loves to rip apart any piece of media created. I remember in highschool people would rip apart Deep Space 9 episodes and say the next generation was better. But TNG was some campy non-sense on a low budget stage and the enterprise was also a convention center for some reason. I still love that show, but it was amazingly weird. Episode 7 has problems, but dwelling on them sort of misses the point of enjoying films. E7 was ok. Its fine to make an unoriginal homage movie, but it should at least try to be better than the original source material. It wasn't bad though. personally I though Rogue 1 was fucking fantastic. I got real nerd chills from the last scene. Looking forward to the next one. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4773 Posts
It would've been more interesting if they'd actually tone it down tremendously and did some more world building or whatever like LOTR did in the start, only to get to something super climactic. But no, they had to overshoot everything. Bigger threat, bigger sword, more visible internal conflict, more clutter. I personally loved the tavern scene, it was so full of little things you could focus on that was going on and even if it might've had some pairing with the cafeteria scene, it ultimately was very important, albeit shallow, character building. I've completely lost most interest for SW, because most are just blinded by nostalgia or swept away by the hype, but I'll still be watching them, just not going to the cinema to check em out. Same with the Marvel movies really (except for the really awesome jawdropping eyecandy stuff + Show Spoiler + Thor: Ragnarok | ||
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TigerKarlGeld
27 Posts
On October 11 2017 21:49 nimdil wrote: Your statement is just self congratulatory elitism. Some child took offense. The world keeps spinning. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Luke goes from Hero of the Rebellion, bringing back his father to the light and in turn killing the evil Emperor of the Galaxy (Temporarily in the EU at least) to a coward hermit. Han abandons the woman he loves to go back to smuggling completely undoing his character. That and the fact the the overall state of the galaxy seems unchanged after 30 years or so just the Empire is rebranded seemingly making episode 4-6 pointless. The way in which the new cannon explains all this is just meh compared to what was already written and doesn't make sense. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
The amazing thing about A New Hope is that it felt so complete as a standalone story while still providing context for the other films. That's obviously a very hard thing to accomplish because they just didn't quite manage it with 7. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4773 Posts
It feels more like a reset with some tributes than a continuation and does completely shit on the earlier established narratives. The only redeeming qualities will be the cool action sequences in space or ground (with the battles), tech (like design of certain crafts or whatever), and the surroundings; basically how they shape the world and how the camera tracks it all. I'll be very surprised if they manage to pull out a decent story with good character development out of their asses and not hamfist their way from plot point A to plot point B. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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