EPTStar Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi - Page 46
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Sermokala
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Not to say that the last two movies maintained the suspension of disbelief even without expectation of realism, because the planet sized death ray and the slow-mo fleet chase were just absurd to the point of silly. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
One could also wonder why the escape shuttle with all the main characters was lucky enough to be in the 50% that didn't get exploded. Though that's definitely forgivable because there are things with worse odds that passed through. | ||
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Plansix
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Logo
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LegalLord
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Schmobutzen
Germany284 Posts
The movie is mumble jumble stupid, no eye for character or suspense thing. Just a disapointment! | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 26 2018 00:14 Logo wrote: I have to admit the more that some complaints are thrown around about the movie (especially Sermokalas pretty blunt ones) the more it makes me like the movie for not being what they wanted it to be, but instead doing a pretty decent job at being what it was. See, I think that is a strange perspective because I don't see a world where this movie matches Valerian's haul if it doesn't have Star Wars attached. I understand the impulse to cheer subverting Star Wars "tropes" (which IMO are more themes like the Heroes Journey), but then you are better off defending Episode I's scattered and poorly-done-Tarantino-esque ending, or defending Episode II and its campy Bond-like detective story. Indeed, Rogue 1 did a lot of the "anti-Star Wars" things while being distinctly Star Wars with heroes, character development, interpersonal bonds, etc. Now I wouldn't choose to defend the prequels because they were poorly executed. But if this had been a Star Wars film noir or a film showing to cost of war, or even the resistance having to come to terms that they are, in fact, fighting for re-instituting a corrupt, bankrupt, useless Republic, that was almost as totalitarian as the Empire and that they should be fighting for a federal system where individual planets/solar systems have the power and having one Galactic Power is inherently a fools errand, then I would see this narrative working. All these things would do what I feel like people are claiming this film did, while being Star Wars-y. Instead, I'd argue they did no such thing, and instead just broke a bunch of rules of the particular universe as it had been constructed (much like how in Star Trek new movie #2 they invented warp transmission which made everything else stupid). | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 26 2018 00:14 Logo wrote: I have to admit the more that some complaints are thrown around about the movie (especially Sermokalas pretty blunt ones) the more it makes me like the movie for not being what they wanted it to be, but instead doing a pretty decent job at being what it was. My main complaint with TLJ is basically the entire main plot. If it had literally any coherent plot mover I would've enjoyed it a lot more, but absolutely everything surrounding the spaceship chase was stupid. Everything. I was basically fine with all the character elements. Could've been better, could've been worse, but no serious complaint other than Rey going from zero to OP, but that's passable. But the spaceship chase, the casino, the escape pods and ships going in and out because storm troopers are blind, there wasn't a single moment in that plot where I could think "someone with a clue wrote this". | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 26 2018 00:41 Plansix wrote: I am through the roof that I have no idea where the third movie will go. I didn’t think I could be surprised by Star Wars anymore. Huh. I feel like it's crystal clear where the third movie will go. Rey and Resistance will fight as plucky rebels and destroy a First Order superweapon, Kylo will waffle and ultimately sacrifice himself, and Luke will talk to Rey as a force ghost. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 26 2018 08:17 TheTenthDoc wrote: Huh. I feel like it's crystal clear where the third movie will go. Rey and Resistance will fight as plucky rebels and destroy a First Order superweapon, Kylo will waffle and ultimately sacrifice himself, and Luke will talk to Rey as a force ghost. Yeah, I'm 90% sure the end of the trilogy is going to be same as the original. Resistance wins, Empire loses, Sith gone, lone Jedi to rebuild the illustrious order. | ||
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B.I.G.
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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hexhaven
Finland940 Posts
On January 25 2018 08:39 Sermokala wrote: None of the major beats that people will remember the movie for didn't need to happen because they had no real impact on the plot. At the end we're still empire vs rebels where everyone knows the good guys are going to win in the end because force wants balance. Its a terrible movie and people should feel bad for enjoying it just like the transformers movies. Have you considered that maybe watching movies isn't really your thing? | ||
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Xarles
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On January 26 2018 00:41 Plansix wrote: I am through the roof that I have no idea where the third movie will go. I didn’t think I could be surprised by Star Wars anymore. No one does, if that helps. It's all up to JJ Abrams. | ||
Falling
Canada11367 Posts
On January 26 2018 00:41 Plansix wrote: I am through the roof that I have no idea where the third movie will go. I didn’t think I could be surprised by Star Wars anymore. That's because they've set up very little. Almost everything that was established in the first was uprooted in the second... and the first had pretty much uprooted the ending of the Return of the Jedi. Random Encounters table of enemies are equally surprising, but it doesn't make for a cohesive trilogy. Roll a die, and see what enemy you face next. And I think that's one thing this new series is not: it's not a trilogy. They don't know what the story is from movie to movie and are just making it up as they go along- it worked alright for Lucas, but then he'd been playing in this world for years and years and then he was the story guy all through out. I wonder if Yoda and Luke will show up halfway through the final film and just call down force lightning on Kylo Killing the only villain left halfway through the film, now there's a subversion for you. Turns out the real villain was Poe the entire time! Surprise upon surprise. Oh, and Rey retires at the beginning of the film to some water planet. For something completely different, when I first watched, I didn't really know what the Empire's weapons could and could not do, so when the Dreadnaught showed up and blasted the base, I thought, well alright invented a pretty crazy siege ship. A base buster... but it turns out that weapon can be used against fleets. "It's a fleet killer". ...so the opening salvo ought to have destroyed that Rebel cruiser, which was in obvious visual range- and at basically the same distance nine (film) minutes later when they retarget the auto-laser at the cruiser. Then you have all the time in the world to pummel the base. Pretty standard for every siege every, isn't it? Cut off the means of escape and then lay siege? The commander says his fighters should have launched five minutes ago as though someone seriously messed up... but isn't that him? He's the commander of his own dreadnaught. Say what you want about Rogue One, but at least most of the military decisions made some sort of sense. In this one, everyone is incompetent. edit. Another thing Last Jedi forgot. It's was kinda a thing that Finn needed a pilot... he couldn't fly. Except suddenly he does. This film supposedly follows immediately the first, unless this is the Matrix where you can download new skills, we just really don't care about what facts were already established. The forced withdrawal of the TIE fighters still bothers me- they had the ships dead to rights and what potential counter to the TIEs was eliminated by Kylo's hangar attack. Everything military related (including those stupid bombers) seems designed to hack together a very particular and convoluted scenario, needing to use Reasons to get there, but ignoring all the onscreen, established facts that would prevent that from happening. Good dramatic tension is not built upon such contrivances. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
It's was kinda a thing that Finn needed a pilot... he couldn't fly. Except suddenly he does. This film supposedly follows immediately the first, unless this is the Matrix where you can download new skills, we just really don't care about what facts were already established. Did the movie ever break this? The only flight Finn took was on a transport ship to the casino planet and he did that with Rose and BB-8 so presumably they handled a lot of the flying? I don't remember what they showed on the scene where they are on the ship though. Poe was also part of sending them on their way so presumably he'd have a chance to give a crash course (I guess literally since they crash landed on the beach) He did fly the salt duster thing, but very poorly and basically needed help to just go in a straight line. The forced withdrawal of the TIE fighters still bothers me- they had the ships dead to rights and what potential counter to the TIEs was eliminated by Kylo's hangar attack. Everything military related (including those stupid bombers) seems designed to hack together a very particular and convoluted scenario, needing to use Reasons to get there, but ignoring all the onscreen, established facts that would prevent that from happening. Good dramatic tension is not built upon such contrivances. It seems like there was nothing to gain by continuing to be out there? Like the Tie fighters weren't going to blow up the whole ship themselves and the ship was already pretty crippled so being all risk and no benefit they were called back. | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/VSXGzIz.jpg) But as it seems exactly no time has passed and it was such a big deal that he couldn't just steal a transport ship of the Starkiller base, he had to bother rescuing an enemy prisoner of all things, it would behoove the movie to fill that piece in. But this is a movie where nobody learns anything, they just do things as the plot requires. What I'd like in the third film is for there to be yet another fleet killing ship, even bigger than the last, but Finn was also a janitor on that one too, and in the one really critical part that they need to get to. And then the silver stormtrooper shows up as a guard of it and, says something threatening, trips over her feet and falls down another giant catwalk. They could do that trick forever. It seems like there was nothing to gain by continuing to be out there? Like the Tie fighters weren't going to blow up the whole ship themselves and the ship was already pretty crippled so being all risk and no benefit they were called back. How is that? We saw Kylo take out the Hangars and another two guys take out the bridge. Keep swarming and you'll take out the engines. Problem solved. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On January 27 2018 00:28 Falling wrote: It's Finn that's doing the piloting- it wouldn't matter if a couple years passed. + Show Spoiler + But as it seems exactly no time has passed and it was such a big deal that he couldn't just steal a transport ship of the Starkiller base, he had to bother rescuing an enemy prisoner of all things, it would behoove the movie to fill that piece in. But this is a movie where nobody learns anything, they just do things as the plot requires. What I'd like in the third film is for there to be yet another fleet killing ship, even bigger than the last, but Finn was also a janitor on that one too, and in the one really critical part that they need to get to. And then the silver stormtrooper shows up as a guard of it and, says something threatening, trips over her feet and falls down another giant catwalk. They could do that trick forever. How is that? We saw Kylo take out the Hangars and another two guys take out the bridge. Keep swarming and you'll take out the engines. Problem solved. All the shields were focused on the rear if I'm not mistaken which is why the tie fighters were able to hit the bridge to begin with? So taking out the engines seems like a long shot. and yeah it's unfortunate they put Finn in the pilot's seat for that scene, but that seems pretty minor, but something that could have been strictly better? If the scene was shot with Rose in the seat then it'd work fine, so it's not like the plot is hinging on Finn suddenly being a pilot. It's always frustrating when there are minor mistakes that seems like they would be easy to fix. | ||
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