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I honestly don't think Snoke is really gone, because of little hints here and there.
Just one example is Luke telling Leia, “No one's ever really gone.”
And...if Snoke really is Darth Plagueis he knows how to come back from the dead, just look at his transformation from Episode VII (right) to Episode VIII (left):
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He's clearly regenerating. [source]
I think he's consuming force users to regenerate, that's why we don't get to see the other Padawans, who followed Kylo
....Snoke consumed them to gain strength and that's why he wanted Luke so badly.
So...yeah I think he'll be back....at least half of him, just like Darth Maul.
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I remember Luke or Kylo saying some apprentices followed Kylo when he burned Luke's temple. Does that mean we'll see them in the third movie or I missed something and they're dead now?
On December 21 2017 08:43 shin_toss wrote:watched the movie during the first day and first screening. Probably the best one I liked. A modern star wars on its own story. I liked TFA too but after several times watching it, theres, too much fan service and similarity to the orig trilogy. I liked TLJ more. 9/10 for me. Tried to nitpick after the movie and I only found very few. I only find the Rey x Kylo, telepathic scenes a little weird. They could have done more, like in the mind or something. And not too literal talking. Show nested quote +Just hoping whoever writes the third will have the balls to let the bad guys kill some good guys. what do you mean? kylo just stabbed his father with a light saber in TFA, Luke just went immortal mode (good as dead) , 90% of the main rebellion is dead. In the orig trilogy, not even one main good guy died.
I mean killed like Qui-Gon was killed, or something like Padme's death. I want the bad guys to murder at least one good guy like Poe. Otherwise they'd end up looking hilariously incompentent, like Power Rangers villains, always failing at killing characters who don't surrender their lives to them like Han Solo or that purple haired admiral did. Killing "redshirt" characters doesn't count.
I think it was cool to see Kylo Ren or Hux in TFA as young villains who still make mistakes, but expected the bad side to "mature up" in the next two movies. Instead, Hux continues to be pretty much a comedy relief character. Kylo made some progress by throwing his mask away, but he's still far from who I hoped he'll become. I'm afraid it won't change in the next movie, which means the final scenes of that movie won't feel as tense as those from from Episode III or VI.
I'm trying to say that the lack of powerful and charismatic villains in the first two movies will lead to an unengaging finale, like that of the Hobbit instead of something cool like LotR's ending.
thePunGun above offers some interesting potential answers to my problems.
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I considered the Darth Plagueis idea and was hoping that was the case when it happened honestly. The death was so under whelming to me that I was convinced this was his clone or something and he was still alive, but no clue to signify that appeared for the rest of the movie. If that picture isn't just a case of a different camera angle making it look like his face changed, it's hardly the level of super human regen that would project to recover from being cut in half by the next movie. That would be a hard sell. That left me with the clone or force projection idea, but it's hard to imagine the First Order would fall into Kylo's control if Snoke was still alive some where else.
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On December 22 2017 01:16 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2017 23:19 hexhaven wrote:On December 21 2017 23:08 karazax wrote:
The emperor wasn't inserted into an already existing story line with no explanation, which is a huge difference. And though I wasn't a fan of the prequels, they revolve around the emperor and how he came into power. His death also brought about the end of the trilogy and the Empire, it didn't happen as a side note in the middle of Empire Strikes Back. But that's pretty much exactly what happened? It's not what happened at all. There was no pre-existing story line for Star Wars with the original trilogy. With this trilogy the original trilogy is the pre-existing story line, but we are some how in a worse spot for the republic than in A New Hope with no explanation of how we got there. The emperor's death and Vader's redemption was the conclusion of the original trilogy. If Palpatine died the first time we met him in person in the middle of Empire Strikes Back, then I would have had problems with that too.
The Emperor was mentioned in one line in A New Hope, and then by 1980 he's this weird looking dude in a hologram. We don't know who he is or what he does or what he wants, besides having a job title and wanting to kill Luke Skywalker.
Of course, the more interesting question is what Rian Johnson is saying by killing off Snoke in the second film. In a film that's about letting the past die, killing it if necessary.
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On December 22 2017 01:52 karazax wrote:
I considered the Darth Plagueis idea and was hoping that was the case when it happened honestly. The death was so under whelming to me that I was convinced this was his clone or something and he was still alive, but no clue to signify that appeared for the rest of the movie. If that picture isn't just a case of a different camera angle making it look like his face changed, it's hardly the level of super human regen that would project to recover from being cut in half by the next movie. That would be a hard sell. That left me with the clone or force projection idea, but it's hard to imagine the First Order would fall into Kylo's control if Snoke was still alive some where else.
Just look at Snoke's head, it has been split in half by a lightsaber (probably by Sidious) and it grew back together.
Like his former apprentice said, "he has the power to create life" and he'll cheat death again and regenerate.
Also Snoke doesn't look like a human, he looks like a Muun. (Darth Plagueis was a Muun)
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On December 22 2017 02:59 thePunGun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 01:52 karazax wrote:
I considered the Darth Plagueis idea and was hoping that was the case when it happened honestly. The death was so under whelming to me that I was convinced this was his clone or something and he was still alive, but no clue to signify that appeared for the rest of the movie. If that picture isn't just a case of a different camera angle making it look like his face changed, it's hardly the level of super human regen that would project to recover from being cut in half by the next movie. That would be a hard sell. That left me with the clone or force projection idea, but it's hard to imagine the First Order would fall into Kylo's control if Snoke was still alive some where else. Just look at Snoke's head, it has been split in half by a lightsaber (probably by Sidious) and it grew back together. Like his former apprentice said, "he has the power to create life" and he'll cheat death again and regenerate. Also Snoke doesn't look like a human, he looks like a Muun. (Darth Plagueis was a Muun)
Maybe, or maybe whatever race he is just looks like that or he just has physical deformities. Regardless if he has been in the process of regenning since Sidious betrayed him, it's a hard sell to think he is going to heal from being cut in half by next movie to be a factor.
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On December 22 2017 01:23 thePunGun wrote:I honestly don't think Snoke is really gone, because of little hints here and there. Just one example is Luke telling Leia, “No one's ever really gone.”And...if Snoke really is Darth Plagueis he knows how to come back from the dead, just look at his transformation from Episode VII (right) to Episode VIII (left): He's clearly regenerating. [source]I think he's consuming force users to regenerate, that's why we don't get to see the other Padawans, who followed Kylo ....Snoke consumed them to gain strength and that's why he wanted Luke so badly. So...yeah I think he'll be back....at least half of him, just like Darth Maul.
I think that's just the CGI being a bit different, he has those buttons (I dunno the exact English word) on his forehead in 8 and not in 7 pretty sure he didn't grew those with the force. It would be some crazy stretching explanation to fit into one movie who really don't need Snoke right now.
Also Darth Maul is back!!!????
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Yup, Darth Maul got a metal legs upgrade and returned in the Clone Wars series.
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Good lord lol, if he returned haha xD
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+ Show Spoiler +yeah he went to his home planet to recruit his brother. Then started a takeover of mandalor before the emporer came in and stomped over them both.
Its not hard cannon as it's not rebels but thats the soft cannon explanations.
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Kylo doesnt realise his knights of ren are being consumed and killed by snoke and him regenerating? What every week a force comrade just mystery disappears as snoke loses some scars and he still goes ahead with a betrayal?
It also brings into question how much kylo knows about snoke, he would have had to talked to kylo enough and conviced him that the dark side had more power and there was enough of a lure to switch him over. Snoke cant have just appeares with no explaination of himself to kylo dazzled some dark side power and got him to switch over.
Also plageis is munn is one of the things that was retconned, he could be anything (a munn too but he doesnt look like it apart from being tall).
Its like hi ben im darth plageis master of death my former apprentice tried to kill me but hey im back alive oh what ur gonna try tgat too
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On December 22 2017 07:17 thePunGun wrote:Yup, Darth Maul got a metal legs upgrade and returned in the Clone Wars series.
Wow I'm so happy I stayed away from that lol, fanfic starwars isn't for me
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On December 22 2017 08:37 Shock710 wrote:
Kylo doesnt realise his knights of ren are being consumed and killed by snoke and him regenerating? What every week a force comrade just mystery disappears as snoke loses some scars and he still goes ahead with a betrayal?
It also brings into question how much kylo knows about snoke, he would have had to talked to kylo enough and conviced him that the dark side had more power and there was enough of a lure to switch him over. Snoke cant have just appeares with no explaination of himself to kylo dazzled some dark side power and got him to switch over.
Also plageis is munn is one of the things that was retconned, he could be anything (a munn too but he doesnt look like it apart from being tall).
Its like hi ben im darth plageis master of death my former apprentice tried to kill me but hey im back alive oh what ur gonna try tgat too
This would lead to pretty funny conversations around the First Order office. "Hey have you seen Bob Ren?" "Snoke: um... he got posted out... to the accounting department... at Hoth"
Realistically though you can explain that away if you wanted to - Snoke could have let Kylo know all along that he was sucking up the souls of the other knights. Like a hunger games sort of deal where the last one standing becomes the apprentice.
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On December 22 2017 09:31 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 07:17 thePunGun wrote:Yup, Darth Maul got a metal legs upgrade and returned in the Clone Wars series. Wow I'm so happy I stayed away from that lol, fanfic starwars isn't for me
That part of clone wars was actually pretty good. The end of the arc was really good.
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Plagueis "died" to Sideous prior to the prequels. If Snoke was Plagueis, he was still healing from that "death", which happened before Anakin was even born. How would they plausibly explain him recovering from being cut in half in the time between now and the next movie if he hasn't fully recovered from wounds that happened like 85 years ago or more?
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I super don't think its Plagueis, I mean christ how much of an idiot do you need to be to die to your apprentices TWICE. In a row!
He was way too cocky for a Sith Lord of Plagueis' magnitude, I mean his manipulation of Kylo Ren is so apparent, and he virtually just out right says how eaaassy it is to manipulate Kylo.
Also why is noone a Darth? Is the true Sith Lord someone else, a Darth Someone?
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On December 22 2017 12:38 Zambrah wrote:
Also why is noone a Darth? Is the true Sith Lord someone else, a Darth Someone? Kind of late to introduce someone new in Episode 9 right? Especially when there is a lot of unresolved ground with Kylo to cover. My guess is the sith are absent. Snoke trained another apprentice apparently so maybe they will make an appearance.
Palpatine appears in Battlefront 2 though - so dunno what that is about or if it has any relation.
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On December 22 2017 14:05 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 12:38 Zambrah wrote:
Also why is noone a Darth? Is the true Sith Lord someone else, a Darth Someone? Kind of late to introduce someone new in Episode 9 right? Especially when there is a lot of unresolved ground with Kylo to cover. My guess is the sith are absent. Snoke trained another apprentice apparently so maybe they will make an appearance. Palpatine appears in Battlefront 2 though - so dunno what that is about or if it has any relation.
They've classified anything outside of the movies and the rebels TV show as being "soft cannon" which means that only the movies and the rebels TV show are the writ of the lore god. Anything else is sure why not as long as it doesn't conflict in some possible way with the movies and or rebels tv show.
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On December 22 2017 16:43 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 14:05 calgar wrote:On December 22 2017 12:38 Zambrah wrote:
Also why is noone a Darth? Is the true Sith Lord someone else, a Darth Someone? Kind of late to introduce someone new in Episode 9 right? Especially when there is a lot of unresolved ground with Kylo to cover. My guess is the sith are absent. Snoke trained another apprentice apparently so maybe they will make an appearance. Palpatine appears in Battlefront 2 though - so dunno what that is about or if it has any relation. They've classified anything outside of the movies and the rebels TV show as being "soft cannon" which means that only the movies and the rebels TV show are the writ of the lore god. Anything else is sure why not as long as it doesn't conflict in some possible way with the movies and or rebels tv show.
A sad news after I ordered my Darth Bane trilogy  Still gotta read it if I paid for it.
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On December 22 2017 16:49 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 16:43 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 14:05 calgar wrote:On December 22 2017 12:38 Zambrah wrote:
Also why is noone a Darth? Is the true Sith Lord someone else, a Darth Someone? Kind of late to introduce someone new in Episode 9 right? Especially when there is a lot of unresolved ground with Kylo to cover. My guess is the sith are absent. Snoke trained another apprentice apparently so maybe they will make an appearance. Palpatine appears in Battlefront 2 though - so dunno what that is about or if it has any relation. They've classified anything outside of the movies and the rebels TV show as being "soft cannon" which means that only the movies and the rebels TV show are the writ of the lore god. Anything else is sure why not as long as it doesn't conflict in some possible way with the movies and or rebels tv show. A sad news after I ordered my Darth Bane trilogy Still gotta read it if I paid for it.
Darthbane still basically exists and concepts from the trilogy are sprinkled through rebels through the holocrone, also seeing how asoka appears as a grey jedi and flashes back to clomewars (rex and co are also in rebels). So clone wars tv series can pretty much also be considered cannon thus including the force ghost of bane meeting with yoda (which btw is fucken sick)
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