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LegalLord
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Mohdoo
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On March 23 2018 05:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think it's clear that the U7 ToP team had to be (for audience purposes) a balance between some of the strongest fighters and enough of the Z team to make it seem like everyone but Yamcha (lol) is still relevant. I agree that having Cell or Pikkon or Goten or Trunks or any other stronger fighter would have made more sense than Krillin or Tien or Roshi as far as team strength is concerned, but obviously from a writing perspective it's gotta be hard to officially say that if you're not a Saiyan or Android, you're probably not all that useful. Krillin and Tien and Piccolo and Roshi will always be included because of their history to the franchise and because they're all a team, regardless of how well they'd do in the actual fight. It's basically a packaged deal, from the writers' perspective. It feels appropriate because of history. But then you look at how long ago the earthlings were worth even looking at and it is less compelling. It was awkward having krillin show up to the cell games. The frieza saga is when earthlings ceased to be of any value. That was a super (heh) long time ago. I feel like 20 years from now, some DB series will have krillin walking with a cane and he'll charge at the current bad guy because history and stuff. I can't help but ask "at what point do you just press the pillow over the face?" | ||
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LegalLord
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ZerOCoolSC2
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On March 23 2018 06:39 LegalLord wrote: GT Krillin was not so far from "Krillin with a cane." I think he had a stache and managed to die. Yeah but that's just his MO ^^ | ||
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RvB
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On March 23 2018 03:35 LegalLord wrote: I would say that it would be less like the current Vegeta to put Trunks into a life-or-death situation he wasn't properly perpared for. I could see Cell/Buu Intermission saga Vegeta do that, but not the one in Super. He's just not suited for the task, let's not put him there when inevitably little children in situations like that will fuck up in terrible ways and do more harm than someone who just does nothing and gets knocked out. Both Vegeta and Goku had no issue letting their kids fight before. It's part of who they are. Gohan was 5 when fighting against the Saiyans and 10 when he killed Cell. Goten and Trunks were younger when fighting Buu. Yet suddenly both Goku and Vegeta are supposed to have this change of heart where it's unethical to let teenagers fight. In addition not letting them join the tournament because 'theyre not properly prepared for a life and death situation' is bullshit when the alternative is getting erased and they've already been in such a situation before. Arguably it's less moral to let Tien and Krillin participate since they're not even able to defend themselves while Gotten and Trunks are stronger than most other participants in the ToP. There's really no way to defend the choice to leave them out plot wise. The second argument makes little sense to me as well. Even when they're fucking around they're strong enough to knock out multiple fighters from other universes. There's no way they can be less useful than Tien and Krillin have been. | ||
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LegalLord
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TMG26
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You are blaming Gotenks too much for fusing after being taunted by buu. Vgeeta is there as well and he has made worse mistakes and as an adult, both by rage and pride. And there is a bigger idiot than Gotenks there, and he's the main character. Even gohan fucked things up with Cell. Frieza torutured our heroes around instead of killing them. But Gotenks has to be held to a higher standard than every other idiot. The only guys there who don't constatly shit everything are Piccolo nd Tien, and they reached irrelevant levels power wise. | ||
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andrewlt
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On March 24 2018 06:52 TMG26 wrote: And there is a bigger idiot than Gotenks there, and he's the main character. Thread won. We can close it now. | ||
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Shock710
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So i call bullshit on the not letting the young sayians fight. Their fusion doesnt even require the portar earings which is more valid than kefla considering the no item rules. The real answer for why gotenks isnt in the tournament is because the writters have this nostalgia boner for having tien krillin and roshi be relevant im suprised yamcha wasnt included to use his wolf fist. All of them are actually so weak they couldnt even take goten in base form. I hate to say this again because its been said a thousand times but the power levels being so fucked allowed this to happen, goku being grazed after being shot at the start of super was probably one of the dumbest continuity errors considering dragon ball started with bulma shooting him in the fucken head | ||
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LegalLord
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Shock710
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On March 24 2018 07:04 LegalLord wrote: The biggest mistake Goku ever made was easily thinking Gotenks could beat Buu. And while mistakes like that are a big demerit, Goku isn’t middling tier in terms of strength, he’s at the top of the roster. Giving freiza power was beyond stupid nearly cost him his life. Not training a second time in the hyperbolic time chamber, giving cell the senzu bean. Not taking the fucken heart medicine that he was warned about from the future. Agreeing to fight majin vegeta knowing it would awaken buu. These ones are pretty big too | ||
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TMG26
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cLutZ
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On March 24 2018 07:11 Shock710 wrote: Giving freiza power was beyond stupid nearly cost him his life. Not training a second time in the hyperbolic time chamber, giving cell the senzu bean. Not taking the fucken heart medicine that he was warned about from the future. Agreeing to fight majin vegeta knowing it would awaken buu. These ones are pretty big too Some of these yes, but giving Freiza power? Lol he 1-sjotted frieza right after | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On March 24 2018 07:30 cLutZ wrote: Some of these yes, but giving Freiza power? Lol he 1-sjotted frieza right after True. He is an idiot who just likes fighting but he is not that dumb. But he is an idiot enough to let frieza go to his 100% full power form. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On March 24 2018 07:30 cLutZ wrote: Some of these yes, but giving Freiza power? Lol he 1-sjotted frieza right after it was the time it took to give frieza power, one shot him, talk him etc that cost him his chance to get to his ship. It was a stupid decision regardless of outcome. | ||
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NewSunshine
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Back to the whole Goten/Trunks thing, ultimately we're arguing over the decision Goku and Vegeta made when they were assembling the team. We can go back and forth over whether they would've contributed more than the alternative, but this is still a situation where you have 2 fathers with wives and children, and would like things to be semi-normal after the tournament, and they still know other fighters who can feasibly contribute. That's an understandable position. | ||
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dp
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In this tournament, winning is also basically committing genocide of an entire universe. Good/bad, young old etc, all killed due to their actions. While it is easy to say they can handle the pressure of defending their world/universe/loved ones, can they live with the guilt of destroying multiple universes and all the lives within them? Won't be put forward as a defense of the decision, but I would say that is a more plausible explanation than most. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On March 24 2018 10:34 dp wrote: Not to give the writers an out, but leaving Goten/Trunks out could be explained by the reality of the outcome of them knocking out the fighters of another universe. Whether comparing to gohan vs cell or themselves vs buu, the end result was a dead 'bad guy' at the defense of their world. In this tournament, winning is also basically committing genocide of an entire universe. Good/bad, young old etc, all killed due to their actions. While it is easy to say they can handle the pressure of defending their world/universe/loved ones, can they live with the guilt of destroying multiple universes and all the lives within them? Won't be put forward as a defense of the decision, but I would say that is a more plausible explanation than most. well i mean goku clearly didnt give a fuck when they mentioned all the other universes would be erased...i doubt they actually care about the others outside of u6. Plus theres the whole obvious super dragon ball revival and our heroes are no stranger to that concept | ||
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