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On December 19 2015 09:22 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 09:00 SkrollK wrote:On December 19 2015 08:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 19 2015 08:51 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What does everyone here think about who Rey's parents are? They seem to imply that it's Han and Leia (and that would work well for the "Jacen and Jaina" callback) but I'd believe that it could be Luke or some other unrelated character.
If it's Luke, who would be the mother? I doubt it's anyone we've met because there were no notable female characters here except Leia and Rey. + Show Spoiler +my guess is Luke with the way his old lightsaber 'connected' with her and the fact that she's an amazing pilot. I hope it's a little more complicated though with some new characters Definitely luke imo, with the strong force connection, the mechanics and piloting latent skills. What I do actually think is That it could very be her, the famous "Chosen One" That brings balance to the Force. Maybe. Pretty sure Anakin brought the balance though. Two sith vs couple hundred Jedi. That's not Balance. Anakin killed all but two Jedi. Yoda and Obi Wan vs Vader and Palpatine. (Keep in mind with Disney axing the entire EU of Star Wars, No Ahsoka Tano or Ventress to consider). 2v2 seems balanced. Particularly that 2v2. Like Yoda said though, the prophecy can be interpreted many ways. Maybe in the SWU The Dark side of the Force and Light Side of it are not equal in weight. + Show Spoiler +I do want to complain about the Ren vs Finn fight at the end. Go back to the NR vs FO skirmish where Rey touches the lightsaber. We have a random Stormtrooper of zero significance beat the crap out of Finn using that energized baton thing. We can infer a few things from that.
1. Stormtroopers are all trained in Melee combat
2. Finn was bad at Melee combat compared to his Stormtrooper peers.
3. FO expects to encounter Jedi and realises Blasters are bad vs Jedi (why else would a random Stormtrooper instantly toss aside his blaster to fight an opponent with a Lightsaber?)
Now not long after we have Finn fight Ren with a Lightsaber and actually hold his own and not get crushed? I don't buy the "playing with his prey" thing others are selling and injury? He smacked the injury several times, as if he enjoyed the pain. I do buy the "incomplete training" thing but is his training so incomplete that a random FO Stormtrooper is a superior duelist to him? I don't think so. Finn shoulda got his clock cleaned alot quicker.
Ren vs Rey I'm fine with. Rey already showed she was a skilled melee fighter and Lightsabers are just super advanced melee weapons. Cheap cop out ending to it but whatever
Just wanted to point out that Ahsoka Tano and Ventress ARE actually part of the Star Wars canon. Disney set it to the 6 movies (now 7) and "The Clone Wars" animated series.
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On December 21 2015 01:00 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 00:57 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 21 2015 00:45 LegalLord wrote:On December 20 2015 21:41 tofucake wrote:On December 20 2015 12:35 Manit0u wrote:On December 20 2015 11:15 tofucake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ren wasn't a Sith apprentice, nor was he fully trained. It was made pretty clear that he turned before completing his apprenticeship as a Jedi and caused Luke to lose faith in himself. It explains why Ren's lightsaber is so janky: he didn't use natural crystals like Jedi, and he didn't have a Sith master to teach him how to make the artificial crystals Sith use (Snoke isn't a Sith, nor a Jedi, though it's ambiguous whether or not he's Force sensitive). Ren essentially winged the whole lightsaber issue, and he's not fully trained in the Force either. There were no other Jedi, aside from Luke, as far as I understood it the fact was that Ren was the only apprentice and his turning caused Luke to give up on training others. + Show Spoiler +
Note however, that Kylo was winning the duel pretty handily until Rey got the lightsaber combat knowledge from his mind. I assume that's what happened since at the time all Rey knew about the Force was from Kylo - the mind reading, which she later turned into mindtrick, she also only used force pull when Kylo did.
+ Show Spoiler +I want to believe that Rey and Ren are based off the EU's Jacen and Jaina, though I'm finding it hard to believe Leia would forget she had a daughter. Ren was also fighting with a bowcaster shot to the ribs, which is kind of crazy. I can't wait to see him fighting full form. If he hadn't been injured I'm pretty sure he would have lopped Rey's head off pretty quickly. + Show Spoiler +I really do get a strong Jacen and Jaina feel off them, and Ren is even named after another of the EU characters (Ben Skywalker). Han very clearly does acknowledge Rey as something similar to kin, and so does Leia. It's possible they didn't forget but that they somehow lost their daughter - maybe she was stolen the same as the Falcon. On December 20 2015 22:18 DMKraft wrote:I enjoyed the movie except for a few things that varied too much from the previous ways of Star Wars movies. These are all just my opinion, I am no expert and only know the lore of the movies. + Show Spoiler +
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"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it. "
An established problem of Star Wars and key issue that stopped people bouncing around constantly was the fact that you can't jump into FTL without making calculations, while in hanger bays, etc. Now apparently anytime anyone is in trouble they can just hit the button and they are safe, why ever fight! This was such a key and constant problem in the originals it is weird that it was ignored now. BSG, Firefly, Star Wars etc all create self-imposed laws to stop people teleporting away all the time and allow for conflict.
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TIE fighters can't jump to lightspeed, of course you are going down to the planet, you can't go anywhere else.
3)
As others have mentioned it was a big part of the previous movies that using the force took years of training before Luke, Anakin or anyone can use the force. It took 3 movies before people became trained in the force but now the mind trick was learnt in seconds. And MiniVader had rapidly changing power levels from being able to hold someone completely still, catch a blaster shot or throw them away with his mind - to being as good at sabre fighting as a concussed girl holding a sword for the first time ever.
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Yet another deathstar? With a weak point that leads to catastrophic destruction? That needs some shields taken down? Not getting lazy are we in the writing department?
5)
Lukes map fragment thing, not sure what that was about, especially when the map it fit into seemed to just be a map of "The Galaxy".
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Han's intro and following scenes were too cheesy, with the weird aliens and bounty hunters after him.
I did enjoy the movie, 9/10 as entertainment, just those minor qualms. Movies seem to have changing power levels all the time now, so that seems to be the go to thing for writers now. Better than the prequels, not quite the originals imo.
+ Show Spoiler +For all of the restrictions on hyperspace jumping, I never saw time as one of them. Han talks about how the navicomputer needs to make the calculations, but that's literally the only time we ever saw it be an issue (and it was more of a "get on my level scrub" to Luke than a real concern). ESB had a very conveniently timed hyperspace getaway from the Executor by Leia/Lando/Chewie.
I could believe that in 30(or is it 20?) years, TIE technology could have improved.
The Death Star is a pretty poorly conceived design for sure. Blame Abrams' desire to be grandiose as always.
Luke's map also had a very clear path to where he was - the yellow dotted points. Sure they could see that he was in some sector, but that sector was probably hundreds or thousands of star systems. You could probe it like they did to find Hoth, but it's harder to find a person than a base with infrastructure. + Show Spoiler +In response to your first spoiler....I thought when Han was confronting Ren he even called him "Ben", as if his name was Ben before he took on the name Kylo Ren Yes. Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There is no way Rey is the daughter of Han/Leia. That would be sooo bad in context of what we already know.
Kylo's real name being Ben is hardly an 'EU thing' tbh, it's just some very obvious reference to Obi Wan.
About my main problem, does anybody have any idea how much time passed in the movie? I really would like to know. I mean it should at least be a couple days/weeks right? But i really can't tell -.- + Show Spoiler +Well she's clearly not just some stranger, and I'm not really seeing the evidence that she's Luke's daughter unless they introduce her mother.
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe Luke is her father and midichlorians could be her mother?
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On December 21 2015 03:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 03:05 Manit0u wrote:On December 21 2015 01:36 KOFgokuon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i don't see how she can be anyone except Luke's daughter. Having that much raw force potential, the flashback and feedback reaction to anakin's light saber, Han and leia never mentioning a daughter, looking exactly like shmi and padme + Show Spoiler +
Why does she have to be some of the known character's daughter? Can't she be just one of those random people born with force sensitivity? I really hope they're not going with some "wound in the force" bullshit like in KotOR2...
But in all seriousness, what if her parents leaving her and her waiting for their return is nothing but some basic background build-up for the character? Would you really mind it that badly if we never learned who her parents were or why they left her? Is it that important?
I know it would be cool if she turned out to be Luke's daughter. Perhaps it was Mara who left her on Jakku after the Empire fell apart or something like that.
+ Show Spoiler +You don't have a character waiting for their family and then have no family show up. That is just bad story telling. And Luke could have just found a normal girl to settle down with, had a kid. Then Ren goes nuts, kills Luke's students, gets Luke's lady killed or kills her directly. Luke drops Rey off on a Jakku because he doesn't want Ren finding her and its not safe. Doesn't want to go after Ren because he feels he is a failure or fears that facing Ren will pull him to the dark side(if Ren killed Lukes wife). All of these are possible. Except for Mara Jade, she isn't a character in these new movies.
And we are looking at Star Wars logic, only Skywalkers can be found on desert planets.
+ Show Spoiler +The thing about her being Luke's daughter is that it goes against Jedi training. Aren't Jedi's not suppose to love? Because it gets in the way of their judgement? Isn't that how Darth Vader happened? If Luke was part of the Jedi, then he would of never had a child.
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On December 21 2015 03:52 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 09:22 Orcasgt24 wrote:On December 19 2015 09:00 SkrollK wrote:On December 19 2015 08:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 19 2015 08:51 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What does everyone here think about who Rey's parents are? They seem to imply that it's Han and Leia (and that would work well for the "Jacen and Jaina" callback) but I'd believe that it could be Luke or some other unrelated character.
If it's Luke, who would be the mother? I doubt it's anyone we've met because there were no notable female characters here except Leia and Rey. + Show Spoiler +my guess is Luke with the way his old lightsaber 'connected' with her and the fact that she's an amazing pilot. I hope it's a little more complicated though with some new characters Definitely luke imo, with the strong force connection, the mechanics and piloting latent skills. What I do actually think is That it could very be her, the famous "Chosen One" That brings balance to the Force. Maybe. Pretty sure Anakin brought the balance though. Two sith vs couple hundred Jedi. That's not Balance. Anakin killed all but two Jedi. Yoda and Obi Wan vs Vader and Palpatine. (Keep in mind with Disney axing the entire EU of Star Wars, No Ahsoka Tano or Ventress to consider). 2v2 seems balanced. Particularly that 2v2. Like Yoda said though, the prophecy can be interpreted many ways. Maybe in the SWU The Dark side of the Force and Light Side of it are not equal in weight. + Show Spoiler +I do want to complain about the Ren vs Finn fight at the end. Go back to the NR vs FO skirmish where Rey touches the lightsaber. We have a random Stormtrooper of zero significance beat the crap out of Finn using that energized baton thing. We can infer a few things from that.
1. Stormtroopers are all trained in Melee combat
2. Finn was bad at Melee combat compared to his Stormtrooper peers.
3. FO expects to encounter Jedi and realises Blasters are bad vs Jedi (why else would a random Stormtrooper instantly toss aside his blaster to fight an opponent with a Lightsaber?)
Now not long after we have Finn fight Ren with a Lightsaber and actually hold his own and not get crushed? I don't buy the "playing with his prey" thing others are selling and injury? He smacked the injury several times, as if he enjoyed the pain. I do buy the "incomplete training" thing but is his training so incomplete that a random FO Stormtrooper is a superior duelist to him? I don't think so. Finn shoulda got his clock cleaned alot quicker.
Ren vs Rey I'm fine with. Rey already showed she was a skilled melee fighter and Lightsabers are just super advanced melee weapons. Cheap cop out ending to it but whatever Just wanted to point out that Ahsoka Tano and Ventress ARE actually part of the Star Wars canon. Disney set it to the 6 movies (now 7) and "The Clone Wars" animated series.
Rebels too I think
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I watched the movie yesterday. From a purely entertainment perspective I would give it a 9/10 or even 10/10. What i loved the most was the tempo. There is something happening all the time, it doesn't slow down. When I watch Harry Potter or even some marvel movies when they slow down I just lose the immersion. I know why they do it, to kind of take a time to explain some stuff and develop some things, but I seriously lose the immersion, while on this one I was engaged all the time, forgetting I was in the cinema and immersing myself in the movie.
That being said, it has other flawslike the lack of background on the political stuff of the Galaxy. + Show Spoiler + like the lack of background on the political stuff of the Galaxy.
The lamest thing on the movie is obviously + Show Spoiler + you guessed it, the death star 3. It just doesn't make any sense that they could build such a thing with neither the resistance and the Republic knowing about it. Furthermore they are paying millions of dollars to the writers and that's the best thing they could come up with??
Overall I'd give it an 8-9/10
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On December 21 2015 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 03:33 Plansix wrote:On December 21 2015 03:05 Manit0u wrote:On December 21 2015 01:36 KOFgokuon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i don't see how she can be anyone except Luke's daughter. Having that much raw force potential, the flashback and feedback reaction to anakin's light saber, Han and leia never mentioning a daughter, looking exactly like shmi and padme + Show Spoiler +
Why does she have to be some of the known character's daughter? Can't she be just one of those random people born with force sensitivity? I really hope they're not going with some "wound in the force" bullshit like in KotOR2...
But in all seriousness, what if her parents leaving her and her waiting for their return is nothing but some basic background build-up for the character? Would you really mind it that badly if we never learned who her parents were or why they left her? Is it that important?
I know it would be cool if she turned out to be Luke's daughter. Perhaps it was Mara who left her on Jakku after the Empire fell apart or something like that.
+ Show Spoiler +You don't have a character waiting for their family and then have no family show up. That is just bad story telling. And Luke could have just found a normal girl to settle down with, had a kid. Then Ren goes nuts, kills Luke's students, gets Luke's lady killed or kills her directly. Luke drops Rey off on a Jakku because he doesn't want Ren finding her and its not safe. Doesn't want to go after Ren because he feels he is a failure or fears that facing Ren will pull him to the dark side(if Ren killed Lukes wife). All of these are possible. Except for Mara Jade, she isn't a character in these new movies.
And we are looking at Star Wars logic, only Skywalkers can be found on desert planets. + Show Spoiler +The thing about her being Luke's daughter is that it goes against Jedi training. Aren't Jedi's not suppose to love? Because it gets in the way of their judgement? Isn't that how Darth Vader happened? If Luke was part of the Jedi, then he would of never had a child.
I'm pretty sure that school of jediism died out with the destruction of the order. Never heard Obi-wan or Yoda voice that crap to Luke me thinks.
Not to mention Lucas probably just shoved that shit in because of his own personal issues with relationships.
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On December 21 2015 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 03:33 Plansix wrote:On December 21 2015 03:05 Manit0u wrote:On December 21 2015 01:36 KOFgokuon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i don't see how she can be anyone except Luke's daughter. Having that much raw force potential, the flashback and feedback reaction to anakin's light saber, Han and leia never mentioning a daughter, looking exactly like shmi and padme + Show Spoiler +
Why does she have to be some of the known character's daughter? Can't she be just one of those random people born with force sensitivity? I really hope they're not going with some "wound in the force" bullshit like in KotOR2...
But in all seriousness, what if her parents leaving her and her waiting for their return is nothing but some basic background build-up for the character? Would you really mind it that badly if we never learned who her parents were or why they left her? Is it that important?
I know it would be cool if she turned out to be Luke's daughter. Perhaps it was Mara who left her on Jakku after the Empire fell apart or something like that.
+ Show Spoiler +You don't have a character waiting for their family and then have no family show up. That is just bad story telling. And Luke could have just found a normal girl to settle down with, had a kid. Then Ren goes nuts, kills Luke's students, gets Luke's lady killed or kills her directly. Luke drops Rey off on a Jakku because he doesn't want Ren finding her and its not safe. Doesn't want to go after Ren because he feels he is a failure or fears that facing Ren will pull him to the dark side(if Ren killed Lukes wife). All of these are possible. Except for Mara Jade, she isn't a character in these new movies.
And we are looking at Star Wars logic, only Skywalkers can be found on desert planets. + Show Spoiler +The thing about her being Luke's daughter is that it goes against Jedi training. Aren't Jedi's not suppose to love? Because it gets in the way of their judgement? Isn't that how Darth Vader happened? If Luke was part of the Jedi, then he would of never had a child. + Show Spoiler +
Yeah, I'm going to go with a the standard "Who cares!?!?" That was in the poopy movies and never let lore get in the way of good story telling.
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On December 21 2015 00:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 00:45 LegalLord wrote:On December 20 2015 21:41 tofucake wrote:On December 20 2015 12:35 Manit0u wrote:On December 20 2015 11:15 tofucake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ren wasn't a Sith apprentice, nor was he fully trained. It was made pretty clear that he turned before completing his apprenticeship as a Jedi and caused Luke to lose faith in himself. It explains why Ren's lightsaber is so janky: he didn't use natural crystals like Jedi, and he didn't have a Sith master to teach him how to make the artificial crystals Sith use (Snoke isn't a Sith, nor a Jedi, though it's ambiguous whether or not he's Force sensitive). Ren essentially winged the whole lightsaber issue, and he's not fully trained in the Force either. There were no other Jedi, aside from Luke, as far as I understood it the fact was that Ren was the only apprentice and his turning caused Luke to give up on training others. + Show Spoiler +
Note however, that Kylo was winning the duel pretty handily until Rey got the lightsaber combat knowledge from his mind. I assume that's what happened since at the time all Rey knew about the Force was from Kylo - the mind reading, which she later turned into mindtrick, she also only used force pull when Kylo did.
+ Show Spoiler +I want to believe that Rey and Ren are based off the EU's Jacen and Jaina, though I'm finding it hard to believe Leia would forget she had a daughter. Ren was also fighting with a bowcaster shot to the ribs, which is kind of crazy. I can't wait to see him fighting full form. If he hadn't been injured I'm pretty sure he would have lopped Rey's head off pretty quickly. + Show Spoiler +I really do get a strong Jacen and Jaina feel off them, and Ren is even named after another of the EU characters (Ben Skywalker). Han very clearly does acknowledge Rey as something similar to kin, and so does Leia. It's possible they didn't forget but that they somehow lost their daughter - maybe she was stolen the same as the Falcon. + Show Spoiler +I think they hid her after Ren was turned and they were scared that the First Order would come after her. They didn't know where she was because Luke did it and made sure Ren couldn't get the information out of them.
Or its Lukes daughter and he hid her for the same reasons.
These are my two guesses since I don't think we'd just have a spontaneous latent Jedi but I guess the jedi and sith had to come from somewhere
overall that was a very good and fun movie, def a worth addition to the Star Wars name. I agree with some of the critiques mentioned about almost needing a few slow scenes to set a sense of time and place, and I feel at times while the throw backs were good overall, the story itself got a little close to aping major parts of other SW movies (especially A New Hope)
The only critque that stands out strongly to me is the super weapon. The original Death Star (and even the second) had a sense of awe (that's no moon). Both felt like there was more build up to how devastating it was, how hard it was to mount an attack, and ultimately there was a huge battle at the end.
not only was it basically the same story, but I feel like the movie very rapidly tore through the whole explanation of the super weapon and how devastating it was. The entire resistance seems pretty chill considering a weapon they didn't know about a few days just wiped out several key planets and their reinforcements. And ultimately it was taken out by a single ship warping in and boarding totally undetected undetected, and a very small fighter force.
I liked the movie a lot overall, but I don't feel the non-duel part of the climax had the gravity of the other movies. I know this is essentially a set up movie, reinforced by the duel and how it ended, but the super weapon and fighter battle seemed very secondary to that. it never really felt like a threat as how it did in A New Hope
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Problem is that Abrams is too fond of being grandiose and of creating bigger and scarier looking threats. While I'm not entirely opposed to the presence of a third Death Star, this really better be the last time we see one of those things.
It was a surprisingly minor element to the story, introduced pretty late in the movie and very quickly dispatched. I suppose its purpose was mostly to raise the stakes and to show how dangerous the First Order is.
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On December 21 2015 05:24 LegalLord wrote:
Problem is that Abrams is too fond of being grandiose and of creating bigger and scarier looking threats. While I'm not entirely opposed to the presence of a third Death Star, this really better be the last time we see one of those things.
It was a surprisingly minor element to the story, introduced pretty late in the movie and very quickly dispatched. I suppose its purpose was mostly to raise the stakes and to show how dangerous the First Order is.
It seemed like such a minor part of the movie that they could have completed got rid of it and the movie would have been just as good/maybe better. I mean I certainly had the impression that the First Order were the big bad guys before they decided to blow up a planet or two.
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On December 21 2015 05:30 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 05:24 LegalLord wrote:
Problem is that Abrams is too fond of being grandiose and of creating bigger and scarier looking threats. While I'm not entirely opposed to the presence of a third Death Star, this really better be the last time we see one of those things.
It was a surprisingly minor element to the story, introduced pretty late in the movie and very quickly dispatched. I suppose its purpose was mostly to raise the stakes and to show how dangerous the First Order is. It seemed like such a minor part of the movie that they could have completed got rid of it and the movie would have been just as good/maybe better. I mean I certainly had the impression that the First Order were the big bad guys before they decided to blow up a planet or two.
Well, it changed them from being a dangerous fringe faction with elite soldiers and a few evil-looking leaders into a force that could present a credible threat to the Republic as a whole.
Probably could have gotten the message across a different way, but it wasn't the worst.
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On December 21 2015 03:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 03:05 Manit0u wrote:On December 21 2015 01:36 KOFgokuon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i don't see how she can be anyone except Luke's daughter. Having that much raw force potential, the flashback and feedback reaction to anakin's light saber, Han and leia never mentioning a daughter, looking exactly like shmi and padme + Show Spoiler +
Why does she have to be some of the known character's daughter? Can't she be just one of those random people born with force sensitivity? I really hope they're not going with some "wound in the force" bullshit like in KotOR2...
But in all seriousness, what if her parents leaving her and her waiting for their return is nothing but some basic background build-up for the character? Would you really mind it that badly if we never learned who her parents were or why they left her? Is it that important?
I know it would be cool if she turned out to be Luke's daughter. Perhaps it was Mara who left her on Jakku after the Empire fell apart or something like that.
+ Show Spoiler +You don't have a character waiting for their family and then have no family show up. That is just bad story telling. And Luke could have just found a normal girl to settle down with, had a kid. Then Ren goes nuts, kills Luke's students, gets Luke's lady killed or kills her directly. Luke drops Rey off on a Jakku because he doesn't want Ren finding her and its not safe. Doesn't want to go after Ren because he feels he is a failure or fears that facing Ren will pull him to the dark side(if Ren killed Lukes wife). All of these are possible. Except for Mara Jade, she isn't a character in these new movies.
And we are looking at Star Wars logic, only Skywalkers can be found on desert planets.
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But Rey and Kylo (and Finn) are pretty much the same age. This would put Luke leaving Rey on Jakku probably even before Kylo became his padawan (Rey was abandoned at age of 5 from the information I could find). Also, why Jakku and not Tatooine? Why leave her to live among the scavengers instead of some friend's family or something? Biggs comes to mind here. I guess it's time to read Before the Awakening even though it might not shed any more light on this.
From the review:
"Three shorts stories that give us a look at the lives of the characters just before the film. The first is Finn's story. A bit basic mostly telling about his training but shows some seeds as to why he defects later on. Rey's story is fun but adds little information about her mysterious past. It mostly shows what her daily life on Jakku has been like all these years. I did enjoy that Jakku feels more like a Mad Max survival planet in this story than just another desert planet like in the movie.
By far the best story here though is Poe's. If you read the Shattered Empire comic, this is pretty much a direct sequel. It briefly mentions the fates of Shara Bey and Kes Dameron, his parents. It also gives greater insight into what the new republic and the resistance is all about. The story covers corruption in the senate and why General Organa felt the need to create a resistance separate from the republic navy. Poe enjoys a cool covert mission that ultimately leads directly into the beginning of The Force Awakens. Poe's tale is worth the purchase of this book alone. Finn and Rey's stories are just bonuses. "
Also, Mara is part of the canon as we could see her in the Rebels as a force sensitive child. Even Inquisitors were after her.
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+ Show Spoiler +Is Mara Jade actually confirmed to be a part of the new canon? I can't find any proof that she is.
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So I read the movie as suggesting Rey as Luke's kid, but the math doesn't quite work. Daisy Ridley is 23... hard to imagine that she's a child of a dude who's been in isolation for 30 years. Maybe he ran off with a wife? Wouldn't quite work with his desire to just not fuck things up more.
On December 20 2015 22:18 DMKraft wrote:I enjoyed the movie except for a few things that varied too much from the previous ways of Star Wars movies. These are all just my opinion, I am no expert and only know the lore of the movies. + Show Spoiler +
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"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it. "
An established problem of Star Wars and key issue that stopped people bouncing around constantly was the fact that you can't jump into FTL without making calculations, while in hanger bays, etc. Now apparently anytime anyone is in trouble they can just hit the button and they are safe, why ever fight! This was such a key and constant problem in the originals it is weird that it was ignored now. BSG, Firefly, Star Wars etc all create self-imposed laws to stop people teleporting away all the time and allow for conflict.
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TIE fighters can't jump to lightspeed, of course you are going down to the planet, you can't go anywhere else.
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As others have mentioned it was a big part of the previous movies that using the force took years of training before Luke, Anakin or anyone can use the force. It took 3 movies before people became trained in the force but now the mind trick was learnt in seconds. And MiniVader had rapidly changing power levels from being able to hold someone completely still, catch a blaster shot or throw them away with his mind - to being as good at sabre fighting as a concussed girl holding a sword for the first time ever.
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Yet another deathstar? With a weak point that leads to catastrophic destruction? That needs some shields taken down? Not getting lazy are we in the writing department?
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Lukes map fragment thing, not sure what that was about, especially when the map it fit into seemed to just be a map of "The Galaxy".
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Han's intro and following scenes were too cheesy, with the weird aliens and bounty hunters after him.
I did enjoy the movie, 9/10 as entertainment, just those minor qualms. Movies seem to have changing power levels all the time now, so that seems to be the go to thing for writers now. Better than the prequels, not quite the originals imo.
1) Blind jumps are possible, but super fucking dangerous. Bounce off a star or into a supernova kind of dangerous. You can do it (and that's how hyperspace routes get scouted in the first place), but it's risky as fuck.
2) The fighter they stole was a "SpecOps" model (according to figurines I saw in target). So prolly had hyperdrive just like Vader's. It also had lots more weapons than a standard TIE/ln
3) I get why Rey could keep up in the fight. Mindfucks, bowcaster hit, emotional disturbance etc. Personally not sure on how Finn did that good. He was outclassed, but not as much as you'd think. He has to be force sensitive too, in a lesser way. Honestly, I kinda think all 3 major chars might be... piloting is a heavily force-influenced ability (Vader saying "the force is strong with this one" when Luke's evading him).
4) Yup. Lazy. Didn't have to be. Could have been a fleet and the sabotage was the flagship.
5) Yeah I didn't get it either. Map thing was weird. Would have made more sense if it overlayed on top of the last one like the maps in KotOR.
6) Yep. But very Firefly, so I forgive it.
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On December 21 2015 05:58 Yoav wrote:
So I read the movie as suggesting Rey as Luke's kid, but the math doesn't quite work. Daisy Ridley is 23... hard to imagine that she's a child of a dude who's been in isolation for 30 years. Maybe he ran off with a wife? Wouldn't quite work with his desire to just not fuck things up more.
He hasn't been in isolation for 30 years. We spent all that time training Jedi and then it went sideways. We don't have a time line for exactly when that happened. But the flash backs when name character touches the flash back item shows that things went bad and then Rey was left in hiding.
On December 21 2015 05:53 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is Mara Jade actually confirmed to be a part of the new canon? I can't find any proof that she is.
I have seen none either. Its hard to tell because people are desperately trying to connect character from the EU to the movies and making some huge mental leaps.
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Also, why does the lore speculation all assume Kylo's name was Ben Solo? Solo's name means nothing. He was random dude from who knows where... Organa is the royal fucking house of Alderaan. Surely the Star Wars Universe isn't so patriarchal that his name would have carried...
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On December 21 2015 06:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 05:58 Yoav wrote:
So I read the movie as suggesting Rey as Luke's kid, but the math doesn't quite work. Daisy Ridley is 23... hard to imagine that she's a child of a dude who's been in isolation for 30 years. Maybe he ran off with a wife? Wouldn't quite work with his desire to just not fuck things up more. He hasn't been in isolation for 30 years. We spent all that time training Jedi and then it went sideways. We don't have a time line for exactly when that happened. But the flash backs when name character touches the flash back item shows that things went bad and then Rey was left in hiding. Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 05:53 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is Mara Jade actually confirmed to be a part of the new canon? I can't find any proof that she is. I have seen none either. Its hard to tell because people are desperately trying to connect character from the EU to the movies and making some huge mental leaps.
This. Also, just because Daisy Ridley is 23 doesn't mean Rey is 23, she could easily be like 17-27
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On December 21 2015 06:11 Yoav wrote:
Also, why does the lore speculation all assume Kylo's name was Ben Solo? Solo's name means nothing. He was random dude from who knows where... Organa is the royal fucking house of Alderaan. Surely the Star Wars Universe isn't so patriarchal that his name would have carried...
Leia's royal name doesn't mean anything in Episode VII. This was mentioned by the old guy at the beginning.
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On December 21 2015 06:11 Yoav wrote:
Also, why does the lore speculation all assume Kylo's name was Ben Solo? Solo's name means nothing. He was random dude from who knows where... Organa is the royal fucking house of Alderaan. Surely the Star Wars Universe isn't so patriarchal that his name would have carried...
Same reason Luke is a Skywalker? Who the heck was Anakin when Padme was elected Queen of Naboo? Why isn't it Luke/Leia Amidala?
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Who gives a damn about his last name -.-
In the end he is a skywalker no matter what 
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