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We made a thread specifically for Episode 8 now, let us head over to that one
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/521373-star-wars-episode-viii-the-last-jedi
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 19 2015 21:21 GMT
#2321
I laughed, I cried but most of all I was entertained

Rey is a badass, love it.

I didnt particulary like Kylo though, also he looks like Snape.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5592 Posts
December 19 2015 22:19 GMT
#2322
Alan Rickman would be good in a Grand Moff Tarkan type role.
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 19 2015 22:49 GMT
#2323
btw, why would they switch director for each ep ? Especially with JJ Abrams doing such a good job and being a real nerd and expert in geek culture.
I don't know RIan Jonhson much, just saw Looper which was good I guess but he's such a youngster for a movie of this caliber...
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 22:57:37
December 19 2015 22:55 GMT
#2324
It seems that the quality of the PT suffered from the fact that Lucas was in it for so long that he started to go insane and his vision started to become...troubled to say the least (Jar Jar is the key to all of this). Each OT movie had a different director, which led to many stylistic differences that made the whole thing work well overall. It might be that different directors bring a different perspective, it might be that being unproven in SW leads you to be willing to accept more stylistic differences, and it may be that Abrams only agreed to do just the one because as he said, he wants to be part of SW from the outside.

For better and worse, this movie felt very Abrams. I wouldn't mind seeing a stylistic departure from his work for the sake of seeing how it can be done differently.
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 19 2015 23:02 GMT
#2325
^Well with the theory of JarJar being the suprem sith lord and ultimate vilain, and Lucas saying that... I'm more and more convinced Jar Jar was meant to be the big vilain of the trilogy but they changed the story line at the last minute because of how unpopular Jar Jar was.
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
December 19 2015 23:15 GMT
#2326
On December 19 2015 23:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok will finaly watch the movie today, excited!
3D sucked? Anybody else has an opinion on that`?

Every 3D movie ever save Avatar has sucked for being 3D. Always pointless
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17260 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 23:44:32
December 19 2015 23:22 GMT
#2327
On December 20 2015 08:15 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 23:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok will finaly watch the movie today, excited!
3D sucked? Anybody else has an opinion on that`?

Every 3D movie ever save Avatar has sucked for being 3D. Always pointless


It's not that it sucked. It just didn't bring anything extra to the table. Watching it in 3D or 2D should thus be your personal preference since you're not gaining/losing anything either way.

Getting that out of the way, I rate this movie 10/10 simply because it was everything I hoped it would be and then some. Finally we get non-OT SW movie that you can actually re-watch without cringing or dying a little inside every time. Thoroughly entertaining, characters were solid, action was great, emotions were there. It had its quirks and flaws but they were very minor and nothing that would detract from the overall great quality of the movie. Highly recommended (even my wife who isn't very much into SW - or SF/Fantasy for that matter - loved it).

For a more in-depth (and spoiler free) review you can always watch this guy:


I pretty much share all his feelings/concerns about this movie.

On December 19 2015 23:45 farvacola wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
The final staring contest was weird as fuck though


+ Show Spoiler +

You mean Rey mind-raping Kylo to steal the knowledge of lightsaber forms from him? I didn't like it at first but then I thought it was actually very good usage of basically the only trick she knew.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
December 19 2015 23:49 GMT
#2328
An interesting article about Vader and what Ren thinks of him (based on Abrams commentary): http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-kylo-ren-dark-side/
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-20 00:10:13
December 20 2015 00:09 GMT
#2329
Right so...good film+ Show Spoiler +
until they decided to remake the death star and call it something else. Then they decided it would be a good idea to do the same tactic as before....It started off so well as well, so many better directions i thought you could have gone with that film but it ended up nearly being a copy hmm.

Oh well take that part of the movie out and it was very good,nice humour some good acting.
Fell in love with the girl insta! haha, she is like a prettier Hermonie Grainger haha. Oh well, without spoilers for future anyone know who will direct the next movie?
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MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-20 00:42:53
December 20 2015 00:42 GMT
#2330
Don't open the spoiler tags unless you watched the movie. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!

I am + Show Spoiler +
so sad that Han died
and I am kind of pissed on Kylo Ren+ Show Spoiler +
Never in the history of the Sith apprentice or lords has one person lost to a jedi who never actually used a lightsaber before, I mean even Asajj Ventress was better, and I thought Kylo killed more skilled Jedi
, no character development for Finn, and + Show Spoiler +
too little screen time for Leia and Luke


Other than that 11/10, IT WAS PERFECT, everything was on point and the action was non-stop. Much better than I expected.

I can't wait for the next 2 movies of the trilogy!!!!! If you didn't know that it was going to be a trilogy, go to Wikipedia
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 20 2015 01:24 GMT
#2331
Ok i just saw it. One thing is clear, it is way better than any of the prequels. The 'realness' of everything you see alone makes it so. It doesn't really have the same 'fairy tale' aura as the OT movies, but i actually don't think you need that. It's a modern version of Star Wars, simply put.
Overall i think the movie as a whole is a better starting movie as ANH was.

+ Show Spoiler +
With that being said, yes there are some logic issues, but i wouldn't really say that was a big issue. The pacing is at times a little too fast though. In general i really had no idea how much time passed (in universe) since the beginning of the movie. That is probably my biggest complaint about it though. The plot could have been more original, sure. But in the end it didn't really matter imo.


So yeah, i loved the new actors, the movie looked amazing and i actually care what happens next. 8/10
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
December 20 2015 01:41 GMT
#2332
On December 20 2015 09:42 MiniFotToss wrote:
Don't open the spoiler tags unless you watched the movie. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!

I am + Show Spoiler +
so sad that Han died
and I am kind of pissed on Kylo Ren+ Show Spoiler +
Never in the history of the Sith apprentice or lords has one person lost to a jedi who never actually used a lightsaber before, I mean even Asajj Ventress was better, and I thought Kylo killed more skilled Jedi
, no character development for Finn, and + Show Spoiler +
too little screen time for Leia and Luke


Other than that 11/10, IT WAS PERFECT, everything was on point and the action was non-stop. Much better than I expected.

I can't wait for the next 2 movies of the trilogy!!!!! If you didn't know that it was going to be a trilogy, go to Wikipedia


+ Show Spoiler +
Didn't care for Leia personally but using Luke for 30 seconds was a bit of a kick to the balls I agree.


Why reuse the name "Starkiller" that was the dude from the force unleashed and now its Death Star 2.0?
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19057 Posts
December 20 2015 02:15 GMT
#2333
On December 20 2015 09:42 MiniFotToss wrote:
Don't open the spoiler tags unless you watched the movie. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!

I am + Show Spoiler +
so sad that Han died
and I am kind of pissed on Kylo Ren+ Show Spoiler +
Never in the history of the Sith apprentice or lords has one person lost to a jedi who never actually used a lightsaber before, I mean even Asajj Ventress was better, and I thought Kylo killed more skilled Jedi
, no character development for Finn, and + Show Spoiler +
too little screen time for Leia and Luke


Other than that 11/10, IT WAS PERFECT, everything was on point and the action was non-stop. Much better than I expected.

I can't wait for the next 2 movies of the trilogy!!!!! If you didn't know that it was going to be a trilogy, go to Wikipedia

+ Show Spoiler +
Ren wasn't a Sith apprentice, nor was he fully trained. It was made pretty clear that he turned before completing his apprenticeship as a Jedi and caused Luke to lose faith in himself. It explains why Ren's lightsaber is so janky: he didn't use natural crystals like Jedi, and he didn't have a Sith master to teach him how to make the artificial crystals Sith use (Snoke isn't a Sith, nor a Jedi, though it's ambiguous whether or not he's Force sensitive). Ren essentially winged the whole lightsaber issue, and he's not fully trained in the Force either. There were no other Jedi, aside from Luke, as far as I understood it the fact was that Ren was the only apprentice and his turning caused Luke to give up on training others.


On December 20 2015 10:41 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Why reuse the name "Starkiller" that was the dude from the force unleashed and now its Death Star 2.0?

Starkiller was the original name of Luke, but it was deemed "too bad guyish" for the hero by Lucas because of the recent Manson stuff (at the time)
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-20 03:19:21
December 20 2015 03:12 GMT
#2334
Just finished it. Character are great and the step up was what I expected. + Show Spoiler +
The New Republic never got off its feed and the remains of the Empire found another force user to lead them that game from god knows where.
Rey is great and Ren is the most compelling villain since Vader. And Finn is just an awesome guy. Also, on the topic of the "Starkiller", please remember that a battle station to destroy planets is really dumb. Once you're in space, destroying planets is super easy, there are huge rocks up there.

Edit: Side note, it is awesome that the film is so aware that is has specific beats when those amazing shots happen to the audience to cheer like when Han and Chewie show up and + Show Spoiler +
when Rey catches the lightsaber
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17260 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-20 03:35:59
December 20 2015 03:35 GMT
#2335
On December 20 2015 11:15 tofucake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ren wasn't a Sith apprentice, nor was he fully trained. It was made pretty clear that he turned before completing his apprenticeship as a Jedi and caused Luke to lose faith in himself. It explains why Ren's lightsaber is so janky: he didn't use natural crystals like Jedi, and he didn't have a Sith master to teach him how to make the artificial crystals Sith use (Snoke isn't a Sith, nor a Jedi, though it's ambiguous whether or not he's Force sensitive). Ren essentially winged the whole lightsaber issue, and he's not fully trained in the Force either. There were no other Jedi, aside from Luke, as far as I understood it the fact was that Ren was the only apprentice and his turning caused Luke to give up on training others.



+ Show Spoiler +

Note however, that Kylo was winning the duel pretty handily until Rey got the lightsaber combat knowledge from his mind. I assume that's what happened since at the time all Rey knew about the Force was from Kylo - the mind reading, which she later turned into mindtrick, she also only used force pull when Kylo did.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
December 20 2015 04:34 GMT
#2336
On December 20 2015 07:49 Faust852 wrote:
btw, why would they switch director for each ep ? Especially with JJ Abrams doing such a good job and being a real nerd and expert in geek culture.
I don't know RIan Jonhson much, just saw Looper which was good I guess but he's such a youngster for a movie of this caliber...

JJ did an adequate job, he's very 'safe' and mainstream and was a good choice for ep 7 considering most of it was a rehash with a bit more lighthearted comedy, but I really don't think he can do the dark, menacing dread of a true sith lord justice for the future episodes.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 20 2015 04:47 GMT
#2337
I liked Rian Johnson's work in Breaking Bad. VIII is the second one in the trilogy and thus has to be dark (a la Empire Strikes Back, Dark Knight, Two Towers, etc.) and I think having Johnson there would be better for that.
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rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
December 20 2015 04:52 GMT
#2338
I'm more worried about episode 9 than 8 to be honest when it comes to director. Didn't really like Jurassic World.
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 20 2015 09:05 GMT
#2339
I wish that Rey and Kylo swapped places. I think that having the main villain be a woman would be pretty kick ass.
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Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
December 20 2015 09:37 GMT
#2340
As someone who went to see A New Hope six times in his youth(showing my age here ), i can see this is a really good film.

The Empire Strikes Back is still the best ever done imho, but at least this incarnation has a promising future.

The major positives being the new actors, i really like them with their emotional delivery of the characters.

People confuse Star Wars as a sc-fi action flick when its not. Its about the core aspects of Good v Evil within us all and if the script writers get it right for the next 2 episodes, Rey and Kylo could deliver us quite a show.So here is hoping that it will happen and Disney don't bollocks it all up with its Micky Mouse wielding light sabers antics !!!!
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