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We made a thread specifically for Episode 8 now, let us head over to that one
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/521373-star-wars-episode-viii-the-last-jedi
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 19 2015 09:13 GMT
#2301
I'm not sure what to make of this movie. There are a lot of things that are done well, but the storyline lacks the gravitas that one would expect from a Star Wars movie. I guess this movie is similar to Episode IV in that regard, but even more lacking. I get the sense that Episodes VIII and IX will likely alter our perceptions of this movie by bringing context to much of what has been left unexplained.

Also, the action sequences are a little too slick. Not enough danger for the good guys.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
December 19 2015 09:19 GMT
#2302
On December 19 2015 18:13 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not sure what to make of this movie. There are a lot of things that are done well, but the storyline lacks the gravitas that one would expect from a Star Wars movie. I guess this movie is similar to Episode IV in that regard, but even more lacking. I get the sense that Episodes VIII and IX will likely alter our perceptions of this movie by bringing context to much of what has been left unexplained.

Also, the action sequences are a little too slick. Not enough danger for the good guys.


agreed, exactly what i told a friend.

felt way too much like a tribute/homage movie towards ANH. I did enjoy it however.

on its own, i'd give it a 7.5/10. But i'm pretty sure that would change with episode 8 and 9 (hopefully), when we get to watch the entire trilogy together
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
December 19 2015 09:35 GMT
#2303
Amazing movie.

I loved Finn and Rey as characters. The end was rushed, but overall the movie was very good.
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 10:57:06
December 19 2015 10:22 GMT
#2304
I feel like the tempo was to high there was no nuance at all just action all the time and at times I got the feeling I was watching a fairy tale when things work out purely by luck.

+ Show Spoiler +
And so much from the events that took place was just copied from episode 4 (Robot in desert with important data, save girl on death star, death star destroying planets, old dude dies on death star, destroy the death star)


In the end it was a good movie but I had very high expectations for it.

-edit was a little bit negative, the comedy was great, all the praise it gets for it's visuals is 100% warranted and the characters (and the acting) feels way more solid than in the prequels.
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 19 2015 10:35 GMT
#2305
loved it, feels great foundation for the next two. looking forward to it.

yer, a lot of it from episode 4, i didn't mind the fan service at all. felt like i was reunited with an old friend.
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JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
December 19 2015 12:21 GMT
#2306
I now tend to think that the fan-service many of us criticize (me included) is actually a part of the overall story. It could be that in the next two episodes we will revisit what happened in Episode V and VI again but slowly and steadily diverse from the events of the OT and finally are led to a conclusion.

However, if it turns out that Episode VII was just made that way, to please to fans and has no underlying greater concept in the overall story, then I am very disappointed because it still feels cheap.
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ObeseHydra
Profile Joined March 2013
Brazil196 Posts
December 19 2015 13:17 GMT
#2307
I could point out the little things that I didn't like in the movie, but it would just be unfair. This is the Star Wars movie that I was waiting since I first saw ROTJ, in 1986.

9/10
HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
December 19 2015 14:13 GMT
#2308
Pushing it here and there, but thoroughly enjoyed it for what it is. 3D kinda sucked tho, would recommend 2D.

knuckle
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 19 2015 14:19 GMT
#2309
Ok will finaly watch the movie today, excited!
3D sucked? Anybody else has an opinion on that`?
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Lemartes
Profile Joined June 2015
Austria57 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 14:30:25
December 19 2015 14:29 GMT
#2310
On December 19 2015 23:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok will finaly watch the movie today, excited!
3D sucked? Anybody else has an opinion on that`?


Well There arent really any moments were it´s like: Look, it´s 3D, it´s coming at ya! Which is good. If you like 3D in any other movie, then I´d say it´s up to those standards, but in the end it does not really add to the movie, not too many scenes that play with it too much. For most of it actually I totally forgot I´m sitting in a 3D film xD
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Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
December 19 2015 14:38 GMT
#2311
On December 19 2015 18:19 malcram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 18:13 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not sure what to make of this movie. There are a lot of things that are done well, but the storyline lacks the gravitas that one would expect from a Star Wars movie. I guess this movie is similar to Episode IV in that regard, but even more lacking. I get the sense that Episodes VIII and IX will likely alter our perceptions of this movie by bringing context to much of what has been left unexplained.

Also, the action sequences are a little too slick. Not enough danger for the good guys.


agreed, exactly what i told a friend.

felt way too much like a tribute/homage movie towards ANH. I did enjoy it however.

on its own, i'd give it a 7.5/10. But i'm pretty sure that would change with episode 8 and 9 (hopefully), when we get to watch the entire trilogy together

I think the whole perception of the movie would change with just the inclusion of a few more slower dialogue driven scenes in an extended edition.

On December 19 2015 23:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok will finaly watch the movie today, excited!
3D sucked? Anybody else has an opinion on that`?

I've seen it twice, once without 3D and once with. Some scenery put 3D to absolutely wonderful use, but I felt I had a much better overview of what happened without it in many action scenes. I felt a bit disjointed at times in the beginning with 3D, but that almost completely went away when I managed to snatch a seat closer to the centre of the theatre. It felt like where you sit in the theatre is very important when you watch in 3D.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
December 19 2015 14:45 GMT
#2312
I enjoyed this movie greatly and was quite impressed with Abrams' ability to recapture a lot of what made the first trilogy so awesome. I'm not sure I like the character of Rey yet, but Fin was surprisingly endearing.

+ Show Spoiler +
The final staring contest was weird as fuck though
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 19 2015 16:31 GMT
#2313
Having seen it in both 2D and 3D, I recommend 2D. The 3D version is just too dark.

The only shot in the whole movie that looked better in 3D was the very close up shot of the Star Destroyer. Other than that, everything else was better in 2D.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 19 2015 16:37 GMT
#2314
Hm i think my cinema only shows it in 3d tbh. I hope that won't be a big deal in the end
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
December 19 2015 17:27 GMT
#2315
3D always sucks boys, it never brings anything worthwhile, except money, cause they charge more for a 3D seeing : P
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 19 2015 17:57 GMT
#2316
Avatar was amazing in 3D. It's made perfectly for that medium. 3D adaptations do tend to be shit tho.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 19 2015 18:47 GMT
#2317
I don't get "I wanted to see what other people thought" argument. You'd really not see the movie if people didn't like it? Not writing spoiler tags anymore cuz I'm lazy and it's the 3rd day.

Pacing was definitely an issue, I think the frenetic pace is the reason there wasn't more struggle. I.e. at no point does the audience think the good guys are going to fail, they achieve their goals so easily in every case.

I don't really hold it against the movie because they had A LOT of ground to cover. My hope is that the next 2 move a bit more slowly and allow for natural conflict to develop now that the story is established.
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
December 19 2015 18:48 GMT
#2318
Yeah, the 3D was garbage but I hate 3D. I got the ticket from a friend so didn't have any say in the matter.

I thought the movie was good overall. IMO there was too many "yuck yucks" for the kids. I guess its been a while since I've watched the classics but I feel like besides Return of the Jedi with the Ewoks, the first two films were fairly dark in comparison. There weren't many jokes for the family and kids. Call me a scrooge but I don't care for the cheap lazy comedy relief.

Ending felt rushed, there was a lot of fan service, a lot of lucky accidents and forced situations. I agree that it never felt like the heroes were ever in any real danger. Overall I like Rey as a character though she's not without her faults. I was happy with it but it could have been better. Didn't live up to my expectations going in since the trailers had me hyped as fuck.

Just a random aside.

+ Show Spoiler [Kylo] +

Did anyone else feel Kylo looked a bit off? Considering who his parents are wouldn't you think they'd have a better looking son? I dunno, his face seemed a little fucked to me.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 19 2015 18:57 GMT
#2319
There are always a lot of lucky accidents in Star Wars.
1. What if Luke hadn't left his hometown in time to avoid stormtroopers?
2. What if Luke and Obi-Wan had found a less competent pilon than Han/Chewie?
3. What if they didn't let Luke, Leia, and Han escape but instead decided to continue with torture?
4. What if the Falcon had been late to save Luke? What if he had been a wee bit late to fire?
5. What if Lando hadn't decided to change his mind and help Leia/Chewie escape?
etc.

That isn't the proper way to criticize Star Wars, and it's much easier to enjoy when you give it leeway on logic.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
December 19 2015 20:20 GMT
#2320
On December 20 2015 03:48 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Yeah, the 3D was garbage but I hate 3D. I got the ticket from a friend so didn't have any say in the matter.

I thought the movie was good overall. IMO there was too many "yuck yucks" for the kids. I guess its been a while since I've watched the classics but I feel like besides Return of the Jedi with the Ewoks, the first two films were fairly dark in comparison. There weren't many jokes for the family and kids. Call me a scrooge but I don't care for the cheap lazy comedy relief.

Ending felt rushed, there was a lot of fan service, a lot of lucky accidents and forced situations. I agree that it never felt like the heroes were ever in any real danger. Overall I like Rey as a character though she's not without her faults. I was happy with it but it could have been better. Didn't live up to my expectations going in since the trailers had me hyped as fuck.

Just a random aside.

+ Show Spoiler [Kylo] +

Did anyone else feel Kylo looked a bit off? Considering who his parents are wouldn't you think they'd have a better looking son? I dunno, his face seemed a little fucked to me.


If you go back and watch the OT, there's actually a lot of comedy/light-heartedness. It's actually pretty surprising.
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