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On December 19 2015 07:25 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 05:52 LegalLord wrote:On December 19 2015 05:49 Coppermantis wrote:On December 19 2015 01:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:One thing I don't understand is: + Show Spoiler +The Rebellion made sense because the Empire controlled virtually the entire galaxy and this was an organized band dedicated to take out the Empire and set up a new Republic. But now there's already a Republic. So what is the Resistance resisting? Are they the military wing of the Republic? Is the galaxy split in two and the Resistance is the space Vietcong? The First Order looks pretty powerful, even with Starkiller base gone, and we know there's probably a capital planet somewhere where Snoke is sitting. But they can't be THAT big.
I really hope we'll get to see more of the two societies, at the very least so they can be contrasted. One of the things I always enjoyed about all of the episodes is that they showed glimpses of what it was like to be an average Joe in this universe. You had a lot of scenes on Naboo, Geonosis, Utapau, Coruscant, Bespin and a shitload of scenes on Tatooine showing ordinary people going about their lives on these planets. It gave a sense of scale to the adventures. And it'll be interesting to see who actually lives in the First Order behind the masses of Stormtroopers and Dark Jedi. + Show Spoiler +
I think that the First Order, while powerful, is still occupying a relatively small portion of the galaxy. As you say, they can't be that big. They were formed "from the ashes of the Empire," as the title screen states, so I imagine that their capital is a former Imperial base or something, probably a sector or oversector capital. Snoke might be hiding out on some remote temple planet though, he seems like the type who'd do that.
So they're a relatively small but powerful state, making the area of the galaxy they're in effectively occupied territory, a la France during WWII. The Republic controls the territory de jure, but a foreign power has installed a regime, and so the locals must form a resistance with support from fragments of their original leadership.
+ Show Spoiler +And in a way, I think this justifies a Death Star. It shows that while they're small, they present a very real threat to the entire Republic. + Show Spoiler + do you realize what kind of power and funds it would take to construct a base several times the size of the death star without anyone noticing or putting a stop to it? Something not even the almighty empire with its 100s of star systems managed to do? No way a 'relatively small' organisation could ever accomplish that
+ Show Spoiler +Given what we learned about the first order in the movie, it's pretty safe to say they saved alot of money on labor by using brainwashed recruits. But ya, the rest would be a tough thing to hide
The Star Wars Galaxy is not fully charted. As we learned in Clone Wars, planets can go missing (Kamino) and star charts can be erased. It's not much of a stretch to think that the First Order is capable of deleting a star system from the galaxy map since they are capable of making a laser that destroys multiple planets with pin point accuracy from who even knows how far away.
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On December 19 2015 04:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 04:32 kwizach wrote:On December 19 2015 04:20 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2015 04:06 SkrollK wrote:On December 19 2015 03:45 oBlade wrote:I haven't seen the film yet, but: + Show Spoiler +It occurs to me that there's people noting or in some cases complaining that the movie copies Episode 4 a lot. And I can't say this is that surprising with JJ's sort of fan-service approach to the Star Trek movies. But it's also true that Episode 4 itself also copies/pays homage to a lot of earlier films, it's just that our generation has no memory of those movies so we wouldn't really see the context of A New Hope being unoriginal; instead, we see it as classic. Basically looking at it as a movie that restarts the series, do people think this would be a fair setup to give Episode 8 the chance to be as great as Episode 5 (which is my favorite)? The thing, which, to my mind, is the problem, is not That it pays hommage to another movie. It is That it totally copy a previous film IN THE SAME FRANCHISE. Part under spoiler spoils (captain obvious There), read at your own risks. + Show Spoiler +Honestly, Just think a second : They basically could have made the same movie, with 2-3 changes, it would have been ok :
1. Remove the superweapon. Find something else as a battle for the final of the film, some skirmish That escalade with renforcements from both sides, for some kind of objective. Do the same lightsaber duel, same han solo's death, but for a complete other reason than destroying DS 3.
2. Explain a little the galactic situation, adding some scenes on coruscant, with some explanation about why a Resistance during the NR, which systems are with FO, ...
3. OP a little bit less Rey and a little bit more Ren, do some actual funerals for Han, get a little more screentime for chewie/Leia's grief at the end.
And as the nail in the coffin, Just take a little care of the biggest inconsistencies.
The movie will not be perfect either. It will have some ressemblance with ep4. BUT, it would have actually been a Great SW movie. Like, really Great. Better than ROTJ, even mb better than ANH.
But they didnt do That. They played it overly safe, and I think they lost. Honestly, I just don't think you're trying really hard to hate on the movie. There are a lot of things you missed about the movie. + Show Spoiler +1) Changing the plot points is irrelevant. Why change them? What's wrong with them being the same? All I am hearing is "it's the same, therefore it's bad". This isn't the case at all. Star Wars isn't making the same mistake that Starcraft did. In Starcraft, the original story was heavily world-driven. We were interested in what was happening on a massive scale; are the Terrans going to survive? What is going on with Protoss civilization? How are the Zerg going to change with Kerrigan as the new leader? Metzen then tried to make SC2 character driven, with the main focus of the story as Kerrigan/Raynor/Artanis's characters as opposed to the larger events. This has never been what Star Wars was about. Star Wars was always a very character-driven story about personal journeys and redemption. The entire first six movies were about a man's fall from grace and redemption as a father. The backdrop of the galactic events were basically window dressing. Because of this, it really doesn't matter if they're the same or not. As long as it was done well (which it was), it can be the same plot points. 2) Both of your points (2 and 3) did exactly what all great intro movies to a series do; they set you up wanting more. Episode IV did the exact same thing. So did The Fellowship of the Ring. So did a whole slew of other ones. They give you compelling characters and/or situations and give you just enough to set up a framework, but don't give you enough to fill in the pieces. The majority of these key details were filled in during Episode V when compared to Episode IV, so it fits naturally into a good narrative arc for Episode VIII to do this for Episode VII. Also, I didn't really notice any major inconsistencies since they just completely threw out the expanded universe. http://www.dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-expanded-universe-not-canon/ He didn't miss anything about the movie. You just happen to not be bothered by borderline plagiarism and by getting virtually zero information about the global political context. I don't think you understand what the word plagiarism means. And Have you been living under a rock? There are quite a few series (including the original trilogy) that do the same thing and give you only a very vague geopolitical framework to start with in the first episode(s). It's a standard literary/film practice. So no, I'm not particularly bothered by either of these, because they were well-done. I have no idea what was going on, why or how. And that makes no sense that we are stuck just guessing what happened during the missing time.
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On December 19 2015 07:25 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 05:52 LegalLord wrote:On December 19 2015 05:49 Coppermantis wrote:On December 19 2015 01:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:One thing I don't understand is: + Show Spoiler +The Rebellion made sense because the Empire controlled virtually the entire galaxy and this was an organized band dedicated to take out the Empire and set up a new Republic. But now there's already a Republic. So what is the Resistance resisting? Are they the military wing of the Republic? Is the galaxy split in two and the Resistance is the space Vietcong? The First Order looks pretty powerful, even with Starkiller base gone, and we know there's probably a capital planet somewhere where Snoke is sitting. But they can't be THAT big.
I really hope we'll get to see more of the two societies, at the very least so they can be contrasted. One of the things I always enjoyed about all of the episodes is that they showed glimpses of what it was like to be an average Joe in this universe. You had a lot of scenes on Naboo, Geonosis, Utapau, Coruscant, Bespin and a shitload of scenes on Tatooine showing ordinary people going about their lives on these planets. It gave a sense of scale to the adventures. And it'll be interesting to see who actually lives in the First Order behind the masses of Stormtroopers and Dark Jedi. + Show Spoiler +
I think that the First Order, while powerful, is still occupying a relatively small portion of the galaxy. As you say, they can't be that big. They were formed "from the ashes of the Empire," as the title screen states, so I imagine that their capital is a former Imperial base or something, probably a sector or oversector capital. Snoke might be hiding out on some remote temple planet though, he seems like the type who'd do that.
So they're a relatively small but powerful state, making the area of the galaxy they're in effectively occupied territory, a la France during WWII. The Republic controls the territory de jure, but a foreign power has installed a regime, and so the locals must form a resistance with support from fragments of their original leadership.
+ Show Spoiler +And in a way, I think this justifies a Death Star. It shows that while they're small, they present a very real threat to the entire Republic. + Show Spoiler + do you realize what kind of power and funds it would take to construct a base several times the size of the death star without anyone noticing or putting a stop to it? Something not even the almighty empire with its 100s of star systems managed to do? No way a 'relatively small' organisation could ever accomplish that
+ Show Spoiler +It looks like they've carved out a planet to make the laser instead of making it from scratch. And in this time we see that universal knowledge isn't necessarily a thing. There's a huge sector which they traced Luke to with R2's incomplete map, but the New Republic obviously didn't have the resources, or maybe even the knowledge, of which planets on that sector Luke could be on until BB-8 showed what part of the galaxy it was. And before he met R2, nobody had the resources to figure out which part of the galaxy the final sector was depicting. The galaxy is a large place. Unlike the Empire, which is based in the center of the galaxy and has (presumably) some tight bookkeeping which wouldn't let that many resources go to classified funds, the First Order can do it from a place unknown the Republic and are probably doing it with the full knowledge of their citizens. Hell, the general gave a speech to his troops just as the planet fired.
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Just saw it today! Awesome movie, quite satisfied
+ Show Spoiler +Loved the cinematography, everything look amazing, very nice shots of the action. BB8 is amazing, Han was amazing, the new characters were cool too. I thought Finn was a little too jokey at times but thats my only gripe.
I got spoiled about Han in twitch chat -_- but it still was a brutal moment. Chewies killing spree after that was pretty epic though.
I really wished they would have given more background. I still have no idea what happened to the Empire after VI. They showed shots of all the planets cheering in the remastered version so I assume the Empires influence was greatly reduced. Apparently this Snoke dude took control somehow. But why is there a resistance? I'd assume the republic would reassemble in some way, including a large army. But apparently the republic was a separate faction next to the resistance, and they got rekt by deathplanet 3.0 without us learning anything about it. (was it really Coruscant that got blown up?)
I feel so lost on how strong the First Order is, do they still own the galaxy? They sure act like it even though they did get rekt by a single squadron of resistance X-wings on that forest planet. I have no idea how the balance of power lies and that makes the movie plot a little hard to place in the greater galaxy
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Saw it in an empty theatre. Having casually watched the previous films and not remembering much I can say I actually really like this one. It probably helps theres still alot of mystery that was spoiled in the original 3 since i wasn't born by then. Overall pretty awesome movie and cool characters so far.
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On December 19 2015 07:34 Eliezar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 04:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2015 04:32 kwizach wrote:On December 19 2015 04:20 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2015 04:06 SkrollK wrote:On December 19 2015 03:45 oBlade wrote:I haven't seen the film yet, but: + Show Spoiler +It occurs to me that there's people noting or in some cases complaining that the movie copies Episode 4 a lot. And I can't say this is that surprising with JJ's sort of fan-service approach to the Star Trek movies. But it's also true that Episode 4 itself also copies/pays homage to a lot of earlier films, it's just that our generation has no memory of those movies so we wouldn't really see the context of A New Hope being unoriginal; instead, we see it as classic. Basically looking at it as a movie that restarts the series, do people think this would be a fair setup to give Episode 8 the chance to be as great as Episode 5 (which is my favorite)? The thing, which, to my mind, is the problem, is not That it pays hommage to another movie. It is That it totally copy a previous film IN THE SAME FRANCHISE. Part under spoiler spoils (captain obvious There), read at your own risks. + Show Spoiler +Honestly, Just think a second : They basically could have made the same movie, with 2-3 changes, it would have been ok :
1. Remove the superweapon. Find something else as a battle for the final of the film, some skirmish That escalade with renforcements from both sides, for some kind of objective. Do the same lightsaber duel, same han solo's death, but for a complete other reason than destroying DS 3.
2. Explain a little the galactic situation, adding some scenes on coruscant, with some explanation about why a Resistance during the NR, which systems are with FO, ...
3. OP a little bit less Rey and a little bit more Ren, do some actual funerals for Han, get a little more screentime for chewie/Leia's grief at the end.
And as the nail in the coffin, Just take a little care of the biggest inconsistencies.
The movie will not be perfect either. It will have some ressemblance with ep4. BUT, it would have actually been a Great SW movie. Like, really Great. Better than ROTJ, even mb better than ANH.
But they didnt do That. They played it overly safe, and I think they lost. Honestly, I just don't think you're trying really hard to hate on the movie. There are a lot of things you missed about the movie. + Show Spoiler +1) Changing the plot points is irrelevant. Why change them? What's wrong with them being the same? All I am hearing is "it's the same, therefore it's bad". This isn't the case at all. Star Wars isn't making the same mistake that Starcraft did. In Starcraft, the original story was heavily world-driven. We were interested in what was happening on a massive scale; are the Terrans going to survive? What is going on with Protoss civilization? How are the Zerg going to change with Kerrigan as the new leader? Metzen then tried to make SC2 character driven, with the main focus of the story as Kerrigan/Raynor/Artanis's characters as opposed to the larger events. This has never been what Star Wars was about. Star Wars was always a very character-driven story about personal journeys and redemption. The entire first six movies were about a man's fall from grace and redemption as a father. The backdrop of the galactic events were basically window dressing. Because of this, it really doesn't matter if they're the same or not. As long as it was done well (which it was), it can be the same plot points. 2) Both of your points (2 and 3) did exactly what all great intro movies to a series do; they set you up wanting more. Episode IV did the exact same thing. So did The Fellowship of the Ring. So did a whole slew of other ones. They give you compelling characters and/or situations and give you just enough to set up a framework, but don't give you enough to fill in the pieces. The majority of these key details were filled in during Episode V when compared to Episode IV, so it fits naturally into a good narrative arc for Episode VIII to do this for Episode VII. Also, I didn't really notice any major inconsistencies since they just completely threw out the expanded universe. http://www.dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-expanded-universe-not-canon/ He didn't miss anything about the movie. You just happen to not be bothered by borderline plagiarism and by getting virtually zero information about the global political context. I don't think you understand what the word plagiarism means. And Have you been living under a rock? There are quite a few series (including the original trilogy) that do the same thing and give you only a very vague geopolitical framework to start with in the first episode(s). It's a standard literary/film practice. So no, I'm not particularly bothered by either of these, because they were well-done. I have no idea what was going on, why or how. And that makes no sense that we are stuck just guessing what happened during the missing time.
Its called "In medias res", or in the middle. Its a narrative device that was used in New Hope. They dont' explain the chain of events that lead to Vader being so powerful or why he is in charge, the construction of the death star and so on. It just is and we go forward from there. How we got there does not matter for the story that is being told.
The same with this movie. What happened between 6 and 7 doesn't matter. We have the facts we need. The Empire was not fully defeated and are on the rise again. There be people who need to take the heroes journey. Its narrative by showing, not telling. You draw your own conclusions about what happened and why, rather than the film telling you.
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On December 19 2015 07:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Just saw it today! Awesome movie, quite satisfied + Show Spoiler +Loved the cinematography, everything look amazing, very nice shots of the action. BB8 is amazing, Han was amazing, the new characters were cool too. I thought Finn was a little too jokey at times but thats my only gripe.
I got spoiled about Han in twitch chat -_- but it still was a brutal moment. Chewies killing spree after that was pretty epic though.
I really wished they would have given more background. I still have no idea what happened to the Empire after VI. They showed shots of all the planets cheering in the remastered version so I assume the Empires influence was greatly reduced. Apparently this Snoke dude took control somehow. But why is there a resistance? I'd assume the republic would reassemble in some way, including a large army. But apparently the republic was a separate faction next to the resistance, and they got rekt by deathplanet 3.0 without us learning anything about it. (was it really Coruscant that got blown up?)
I feel so lost on how strong the First Order is, do they still own the galaxy? They sure act like it even though they did get rekt by a single squadron of resistance X-wings on that forest planet. I have no idea how the balance of power lies and that makes the movie plot a little hard to place in the greater galaxy
+ Show Spoiler +Wasn't Coruscant that got blown up apparently. Although if you look closely at the end of VI, the celebration on Coruscant isn't really a celebration. The statue of Palpatine is coming down and there's a stormtrooper "crowdsurfing":
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Few things to say about Ren and Rey in response to some things said in this thread:
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His character makes a lot of sense to me. What JJ is trying to convey is that he is unstable. He is not in complete control of his emotions, towards the dark or light side. Somebody mentioned that the scene where the 2 stormtroopers are afraid to go near a raging Ren was a cheap comedy scene, but I didn't see it as that. I saw it as "this isn't the first time Ren has gone on a tantrum like this." We saw him do it multiple times in this movie, but the fact that your random stormtrooper would know means it is common.
Ren being emotionally unstable greatly affects his ability to use the force. In the start, where he is strong enough to freeze a blaster bolt, he is at his most sure. He is SURE that he needs to find Luke, and that he is doing something that is necessary. Later on we see that he is unsure about himself (like whenever he is around Rey), and as a result his force powers suffer.
Rey using the force so well is strange for sure, but it implies that she might be the strongest force user, ever. She spent her life in the shadow of the Force and once she touched the lightsaber, she "awoke," and all of her latent potential was unleashed.
Finally, with the Ren vs Rey fight, it is easy to explain. First, Ren didn't want to kill Rey. He wanted to train her. Second, Ren was seriously injured. Third, once again Ren was emotionally in turmoil (having killed his father and being around Rey again). Fourth, she is an experienced fighter herself. Fifth, Ren isn't a fully trained dark jedi himself. Snook said that he wanted to bring Ren in at the end to "finish his training."
The Finn vs Ren fight makes a lot less sense to me, though a few of the above stuff still applies.
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On December 19 2015 07:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 07:34 Eliezar wrote:On December 19 2015 04:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2015 04:32 kwizach wrote:On December 19 2015 04:20 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2015 04:06 SkrollK wrote:On December 19 2015 03:45 oBlade wrote:I haven't seen the film yet, but: + Show Spoiler +It occurs to me that there's people noting or in some cases complaining that the movie copies Episode 4 a lot. And I can't say this is that surprising with JJ's sort of fan-service approach to the Star Trek movies. But it's also true that Episode 4 itself also copies/pays homage to a lot of earlier films, it's just that our generation has no memory of those movies so we wouldn't really see the context of A New Hope being unoriginal; instead, we see it as classic. Basically looking at it as a movie that restarts the series, do people think this would be a fair setup to give Episode 8 the chance to be as great as Episode 5 (which is my favorite)? The thing, which, to my mind, is the problem, is not That it pays hommage to another movie. It is That it totally copy a previous film IN THE SAME FRANCHISE. Part under spoiler spoils (captain obvious There), read at your own risks. + Show Spoiler +Honestly, Just think a second : They basically could have made the same movie, with 2-3 changes, it would have been ok :
1. Remove the superweapon. Find something else as a battle for the final of the film, some skirmish That escalade with renforcements from both sides, for some kind of objective. Do the same lightsaber duel, same han solo's death, but for a complete other reason than destroying DS 3.
2. Explain a little the galactic situation, adding some scenes on coruscant, with some explanation about why a Resistance during the NR, which systems are with FO, ...
3. OP a little bit less Rey and a little bit more Ren, do some actual funerals for Han, get a little more screentime for chewie/Leia's grief at the end.
And as the nail in the coffin, Just take a little care of the biggest inconsistencies.
The movie will not be perfect either. It will have some ressemblance with ep4. BUT, it would have actually been a Great SW movie. Like, really Great. Better than ROTJ, even mb better than ANH.
But they didnt do That. They played it overly safe, and I think they lost. Honestly, I just don't think you're trying really hard to hate on the movie. There are a lot of things you missed about the movie. + Show Spoiler +1) Changing the plot points is irrelevant. Why change them? What's wrong with them being the same? All I am hearing is "it's the same, therefore it's bad". This isn't the case at all. Star Wars isn't making the same mistake that Starcraft did. In Starcraft, the original story was heavily world-driven. We were interested in what was happening on a massive scale; are the Terrans going to survive? What is going on with Protoss civilization? How are the Zerg going to change with Kerrigan as the new leader? Metzen then tried to make SC2 character driven, with the main focus of the story as Kerrigan/Raynor/Artanis's characters as opposed to the larger events. This has never been what Star Wars was about. Star Wars was always a very character-driven story about personal journeys and redemption. The entire first six movies were about a man's fall from grace and redemption as a father. The backdrop of the galactic events were basically window dressing. Because of this, it really doesn't matter if they're the same or not. As long as it was done well (which it was), it can be the same plot points. 2) Both of your points (2 and 3) did exactly what all great intro movies to a series do; they set you up wanting more. Episode IV did the exact same thing. So did The Fellowship of the Ring. So did a whole slew of other ones. They give you compelling characters and/or situations and give you just enough to set up a framework, but don't give you enough to fill in the pieces. The majority of these key details were filled in during Episode V when compared to Episode IV, so it fits naturally into a good narrative arc for Episode VIII to do this for Episode VII. Also, I didn't really notice any major inconsistencies since they just completely threw out the expanded universe. http://www.dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-expanded-universe-not-canon/ He didn't miss anything about the movie. You just happen to not be bothered by borderline plagiarism and by getting virtually zero information about the global political context. I don't think you understand what the word plagiarism means. And Have you been living under a rock? There are quite a few series (including the original trilogy) that do the same thing and give you only a very vague geopolitical framework to start with in the first episode(s). It's a standard literary/film practice. So no, I'm not particularly bothered by either of these, because they were well-done. I have no idea what was going on, why or how. And that makes no sense that we are stuck just guessing what happened during the missing time. Its called "In medias res", or in the middle. Its a narrative device that was used in New Hope. They dont' explain the chain of events that lead to Vader being so powerful or why he is in charge, the construction of the death star and so on. It just is and we go forward from there. How we got there does not matter for the story that is being told. The same with this movie. What happened between 6 and 7 doesn't matter. We have the facts we need. The Empire was not fully defeated and are on the rise again. There be people who need to take the heroes journey. Its narrative by showing, not telling. You draw your own conclusions about what happened and why, rather than the film telling you.
The things I think he wanted to point out, is That the situation is quite clear in ep4 no matter what. I mean, There is no third player. Empire leds by emperor is the bad guy, rebellion tries hard to bring the good in the galaxy. The balance of power is simple. Empire got everything, rebellion nearly nothing.
In This case that's bit different coz There are three players actually. NR, FO and resistance. While we get That NR and resistance have at worst shared interests, we still dont know about the balance of the powers. Is FO bigger than NR ? Does NR actually have an army ? Is the Resistance a kind of mercenary army That works in a independant fashion ? We really know nothing (Jon Snow, lmao), and I think tath it is bad for the film comprehension overall. Cause Snoke review the l'ost of the superweapon as a contretemps, but is it really only That or it is a bit more important than tzht ?
I guess you got the point. I also believe we will see and get more informations about it in the next movies, but... I would have liked to have it a little sooner cause it would have added some sense to scenes That aint got a lot imo.
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+ Show Spoiler +What does everyone here think about who Rey's parents are? They seem to imply that it's Han and Leia (and that would work well for the "Jacen and Jaina" callback) but I'd believe that it could be Luke or some other unrelated character.
If it's Luke, who would be the mother? I doubt it's anyone we've met because there were no notable female characters here except Leia and Rey.
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On December 19 2015 08:51 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What does everyone here think about who Rey's parents are? They seem to imply that it's Han and Leia (and that would work well for the "Jacen and Jaina" callback) but I'd believe that it could be Luke or some other unrelated character.
If it's Luke, who would be the mother? I doubt it's anyone we've met because there were no notable female characters here except Leia and Rey.
+ Show Spoiler +my guess is Luke with the way his old lightsaber 'connected' with her and the fact that she's an amazing pilot. I hope it's a little more complicated though with some new characters
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On December 19 2015 08:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 08:51 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What does everyone here think about who Rey's parents are? They seem to imply that it's Han and Leia (and that would work well for the "Jacen and Jaina" callback) but I'd believe that it could be Luke or some other unrelated character.
If it's Luke, who would be the mother? I doubt it's anyone we've met because there were no notable female characters here except Leia and Rey. + Show Spoiler +my guess is Luke with the way his old lightsaber 'connected' with her and the fact that she's an amazing pilot. I hope it's a little more complicated though with some new characters
Definitely luke imo, with the strong force connection, the mechanics and piloting latent skills.
What I do actually think is That it could very be her, the famous "Chosen One" That brings balance to the Force.
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On December 19 2015 09:00 SkrollK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 08:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 19 2015 08:51 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What does everyone here think about who Rey's parents are? They seem to imply that it's Han and Leia (and that would work well for the "Jacen and Jaina" callback) but I'd believe that it could be Luke or some other unrelated character.
If it's Luke, who would be the mother? I doubt it's anyone we've met because there were no notable female characters here except Leia and Rey. + Show Spoiler +my guess is Luke with the way his old lightsaber 'connected' with her and the fact that she's an amazing pilot. I hope it's a little more complicated though with some new characters Definitely luke imo, with the strong force connection, the mechanics and piloting latent skills. What I do actually think is That it could very be her, the famous "Chosen One" That brings balance to the Force.
I don't think so. That was very clearly Anakin. The dude was conceived by the Force and literally has no father. It doesn't get any more Jesus-y or prophetic than that.
Which actually brings up a point... Anakin fulfilled the prophecy in RotJ. So why is there no balance to the Force yet?
About Rey's parents: + Show Spoiler +I really hope it's note Luke. The last two trilogies have been about the Skywalkers. Please let it be another hero. I understand that it's about legacy, but I would personally enjoy it a lot more if the new trilogy didn't hinge so much on the original. I would prefer a new story.
But what with the flashback upon touching the light saber... yeah, it seems to me that she might be Luke's daughter. Which, again, sucks. :-(
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On December 19 2015 09:00 SkrollK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 08:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 19 2015 08:51 LegalLord wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What does everyone here think about who Rey's parents are? They seem to imply that it's Han and Leia (and that would work well for the "Jacen and Jaina" callback) but I'd believe that it could be Luke or some other unrelated character.
If it's Luke, who would be the mother? I doubt it's anyone we've met because there were no notable female characters here except Leia and Rey. + Show Spoiler +my guess is Luke with the way his old lightsaber 'connected' with her and the fact that she's an amazing pilot. I hope it's a little more complicated though with some new characters Definitely luke imo, with the strong force connection, the mechanics and piloting latent skills. What I do actually think is That it could very be her, the famous "Chosen One" That brings balance to the Force.
Maybe. Pretty sure Anakin brought the balance though. Two sith vs couple hundred Jedi. That's not Balance. Anakin killed all but two Jedi. Yoda and Obi Wan vs Vader and Palpatine. (Keep in mind with Disney axing the entire EU of Star Wars, No Ahsoka Tano or Ventress to consider). 2v2 seems balanced. Particularly that 2v2.
Like Yoda said though, the prophecy can be interpreted many ways. Maybe in the SWU The Dark side of the Force and Light Side of it are not equal in weight.
+ Show Spoiler +I do want to complain about the Ren vs Finn fight at the end. Go back to the NR vs FO skirmish where Rey touches the lightsaber. We have a random Stormtrooper of zero significance beat the crap out of Finn using that energized baton thing. We can infer a few things from that.
1. Stormtroopers are all trained in Melee combat
2. Finn was bad at Melee combat compared to his Stormtrooper peers.
3. FO expects to encounter Jedi and realises Blasters are bad vs Jedi (why else would a random Stormtrooper instantly toss aside his blaster to fight an opponent with a Lightsaber?)
Now not long after we have Finn fight Ren with a Lightsaber and actually hold his own and not get crushed? I don't buy the "playing with his prey" thing others are selling and injury? He smacked the injury several times, as if he enjoyed the pain. I do buy the "incomplete training" thing but is his training so incomplete that a random FO Stormtrooper is a superior duelist to him? I don't think so. Finn shoulda got his clock cleaned alot quicker.
Ren vs Rey I'm fine with. Rey already showed she was a skilled melee fighter and Lightsabers are just super advanced melee weapons. Cheap cop out ending to it but whatever
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+ Show Spoiler +I do want to complain about the Ren vs Finn fight at the end. Go back to the NR vs FO skirmish where Rey touches the lightsaber. We have a random Stormtrooper of zero significance beat the crap out of Finn using that energized baton thing. We can infer a few things from that.
1. Stormtroopers are all trained in Melee combat
2. Finn was bad at Melee combat compared to his Stormtrooper peers.
3. FO expects to encounter Jedi and realises Blasters are bad vs Jedi (why else would a random Stormtrooper instantly toss aside his blaster to fight an opponent with a Lightsaber?)
Now not long after we have Finn fight Ren with a Lightsaber and actually hold his own and not get crushed? I don't buy the "playing with his prey" thing others are selling and injury? He smacked the injury several times, as if he enjoyed the pain. I do buy the "incomplete training" thing but is his training so incomplete that a random FO Stormtrooper is a superior duelist to him? I don't think so. Finn shoulda got his clock cleaned alot quicker.
Ren vs Rey I'm fine with. Rey already showed she was a skilled melee fighter and Lightsabers are just super advanced melee weapons. Cheap cop out ending to it but whatever
+ Show Spoiler +I don't know what was up with that melee trooper I hope he was some special forces
Finn vs Ren I didn't mind. I mean Kylo just murdered his father, then got shot in the stomach by Chewie. Did you see what the bowcaster did to normal troopers? He was bleeding and hurting a lot, also mentally strained as well. And it's not like he was a well trained Sith in the first place
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+ Show Spoiler +I'm just wondering how they're going to play out the fact that Coruscant got blown to bits
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On December 19 2015 09:30 tofucake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm just wondering how they're going to play out the fact that Coruscant got blown to bits
+ Show Spoiler +It wasn't Coruscant. I don't remember exactly what the system was, but they did name it and it wasn't the Coruscant system. If they'd really glassed the galactic capital, there would probably have been a much larger fuss about it.
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+ Show Spoiler +I honestly am leaning more towards Rey being the child of Leia/Han or maybe just Han and some other woman. The parallels they establish between Rey and Han are clearly more than just coincidence (the piloting skill is part of it, but the mechanical knowledge is something else entirely). And Ren even directly says something about Han being her "father" figure and how he isn't a good father.
Maybe if Luke will be more of a character in Ep 8 we'll have a better idea of what the truth is.
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On December 18 2015 20:26 SkrollK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2015 20:09 shin_toss wrote:
Vader wears armor lol. The point is does that destroy the movie? bec Kylo Ren's arm doesnt blew off? Lol. Maybe Ren is more trained but how can you know Rey's force potential power? .. I disagree, that is nitpicking. Sometimes I wonder... That's no armor, that's a suit to make him live... It's a suit without which he would be dying... He does not wear it by choice... The armor part is tooooootally secondary.. Moreover, it even support what I said. Vader fights very clumsily due to his suit, he actually use Form V Djem So (as he was in the PT) because he focuses more on the power of his blows (using cinetic energy), and has he has no mobility, due to his life-support suit. Plus I never said it destroys the movie, learn to read please. What destroy the movie is actually that JJ Abrams couldn't hire a scenarist with the 200M$ budget he had, so he just copy/pasted ANH. This is what destroy the movie. The other parts would have been a mere distraction to find criticism if the movie actually had an ok scenario (and NEW, obv).
learn to read too.already said this earlier, Making it a tribute to OT by using some of the similar scenes makes the fans feel that they are watching starwars, its jsut the first part of a trilogy to make a connection from the OT. You never said it destroys the movie but you're implying and complaining too much that Kylo Ren did not die from the blaster shot lol.
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On December 19 2015 09:27 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +I do want to complain about the Ren vs Finn fight at the end. Go back to the NR vs FO skirmish where Rey touches the lightsaber. We have a random Stormtrooper of zero significance beat the crap out of Finn using that energized baton thing. We can infer a few things from that.
1. Stormtroopers are all trained in Melee combat
2. Finn was bad at Melee combat compared to his Stormtrooper peers.
3. FO expects to encounter Jedi and realises Blasters are bad vs Jedi (why else would a random Stormtrooper instantly toss aside his blaster to fight an opponent with a Lightsaber?)
Now not long after we have Finn fight Ren with a Lightsaber and actually hold his own and not get crushed? I don't buy the "playing with his prey" thing others are selling and injury? He smacked the injury several times, as if he enjoyed the pain. I do buy the "incomplete training" thing but is his training so incomplete that a random FO Stormtrooper is a superior duelist to him? I don't think so. Finn shoulda got his clock cleaned alot quicker.
Ren vs Rey I'm fine with. Rey already showed she was a skilled melee fighter and Lightsabers are just super advanced melee weapons. Cheap cop out ending to it but whatever + Show Spoiler +I don't know what was up with that melee trooper I hope he was some special forces
Finn vs Ren I didn't mind. I mean Kylo just murdered his father, then got shot in the stomach by Chewie. Did you see what the bowcaster did to normal troopers? He was bleeding and hurting a lot, also mentally strained as well. And it's not like he was a well trained Sith in the first place
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe they all have some melee training, that other trooper (who seemed to recognize Finn and was probably looking for him) was an elite, and Finn has average-ish melee abilities. I could believe that.
Ren was clearly the better fighter, though he never gave that feeling of being fully in control the way Vader did in Ep 5.
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