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On December 21 2015 06:39 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 06:11 Yoav wrote:
Also, why does the lore speculation all assume Kylo's name was Ben Solo? Solo's name means nothing. He was random dude from who knows where... Organa is the royal fucking house of Alderaan. Surely the Star Wars Universe isn't so patriarchal that his name would have carried... Leia's royal name doesn't mean anything in Episode VII. This was mentioned by the old guy at the beginning.
Leia's full name is Leia Organa Solo...
And about Mara Jade, as I mentioned already, they showed her in the Rebels as a child (episode titled The Future of the Force specifically). Rebels is canon now according to Disney. Might not turn out the way she did in EU, but she's there.
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On December 21 2015 07:02 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 06:39 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2015 06:11 Yoav wrote:
Also, why does the lore speculation all assume Kylo's name was Ben Solo? Solo's name means nothing. He was random dude from who knows where... Organa is the royal fucking house of Alderaan. Surely the Star Wars Universe isn't so patriarchal that his name would have carried... Leia's royal name doesn't mean anything in Episode VII. This was mentioned by the old guy at the beginning. Leia's full name is Leia Organa Solo... And about Mara Jade, as I mentioned already, they showed her in the Rebels as a child (episode titled The Future of the Force specifically). Rebels is canon now according to Disney. Might not turn out the way she did in EU, but she's there.
Noone on the internet other than you seems to have noticed mara jade in rebels. Also where did you read Leias full name in the new canon? As far as I know she is just Leia Organa now
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Pretty good movie (better than the Star Trek reboot anyway). Probably my only big questionmark is
+ Show Spoiler +why the writers decided to make Rey good at literally everything she tried and being hypercompetent to the extreme
but I guess you can just handwave that with "the Force did it" or adding more backstory.
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Well she doesn't do all that much. Good with mechanics, probably because she worked with imperial wreckage her entire life. Good with lightsabers because she's good with melee weapons in general. Good with blasters but who isn't? Good with the Force probably because she's the main Force-sensitive lead and they all had remarkable abilities in that sense. Note that Poe Dameron is also really good at everything because all he really does plays into his strengths.
I think it's more that the other two main cast members (Finn and Ren) are visibly flawed in severe ways. Finn is part of an elite troop of Stormtroopers but he is decidedly average among them. Ren is a Dark Jedi trainee who is mentally unstable, even if immensely powerful and extremely destructive.
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On December 21 2015 06:11 Yoav wrote:
Also, why does the lore speculation all assume Kylo's name was Ben Solo? Solo's name means nothing. He was random dude from who knows where... Organa is the royal fucking house of Alderaan. Surely the Star Wars Universe isn't so patriarchal that his name would have carried...
I mean Alderaan was blown up in A New Hope, so not to be grim but it doesn't have much use for a royal family anymore.
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She wasn't really an amazing shot. Like she hit 2 storm trooper, which is the Star Wars version on hitting the broad side of a barn.
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On December 21 2015 08:22 TheTenthDoc wrote:Pretty good movie (better than the Star Trek reboot anyway). Probably my only big questionmark is + Show Spoiler +why the writers decided to make Rey good at literally everything she tried and being hypercompetent to the extreme but I guess you can just handwave that with "the Force did it" or adding more backstory.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm guessing that has to with the force awakening. That could mean that the force now has a more pronounced effect with those who are strong with it. I mean the movie is titled that way and Snoke mentions it so it could mean more than just a fancy movie title.
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On December 21 2015 08:35 LegalLord wrote:
Well she doesn't do all that much. Good with mechanics, probably because she worked with imperial wreckage her entire life. Good with lightsabers because she's good with melee weapons in general. Good with blasters but who isn't? Good with the Force probably because she's the main Force-sensitive lead and they all had remarkable abilities in that sense. Note that Poe Dameron is also really good at everything because all he really does plays into his strengths.
I think it's more that the other two main cast members (Finn and Ren) are visibly flawed in severe ways. Finn is part of an elite troop of Stormtroopers but he is decidedly average among them. Ren is a Dark Jedi trainee who is mentally unstable, even if immensely powerful and extremely destructive.
+ Show Spoiler +She's good with blasters...after she literally says she doesn't know how to use a blaster. In fact, she's better than someone conditioned since childhood to use them. And better than him at melee combat too.
She Jedi mind tricks someone on her third try. She is better at pulling the lightsaber than Luke was until like Episode 5, and Luke was taught by a Jedi Knight and a Jedi Master.
She fixes and flies the Falcon better than Han and Chewy.
She hacks the panels on Han's super ship effortlessly. Twice.
She's like the perfect chosen one who succeeds at everything and has no flaws. Even if you can explain away her uberness based on her backstory...that doesn't make her any less uber, because the backstory didn't need to be that way.
It doesn't really take much away from the movie, of course, because it's made pretty well. The blasters are the most egregious one by far where they could have just made her bad at it and she would have at least had a weakness.
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On December 21 2015 07:02 Manit0u wrote:
And about Mara Jade, as I mentioned already, they showed her in the Rebels as a child (episode titled The Future of the Force specifically). Rebels is canon now according to Disney. Might not turn out the way she did in EU, but she's there.
Ok, I watched it and I think you mean the red-headed human female baby. The Rebels baby is honestly too young to be Mara though. She'd be about as old as the youth in Rebels, i.e. about Luke's age.
Personally I think she'd fit well into the story and it'd be a good idea to add her in. We'll see though.
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On December 21 2015 09:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 08:35 LegalLord wrote:
Well she doesn't do all that much. Good with mechanics, probably because she worked with imperial wreckage her entire life. Good with lightsabers because she's good with melee weapons in general. Good with blasters but who isn't? Good with the Force probably because she's the main Force-sensitive lead and they all had remarkable abilities in that sense. Note that Poe Dameron is also really good at everything because all he really does plays into his strengths.
I think it's more that the other two main cast members (Finn and Ren) are visibly flawed in severe ways. Finn is part of an elite troop of Stormtroopers but he is decidedly average among them. Ren is a Dark Jedi trainee who is mentally unstable, even if immensely powerful and extremely destructive. + Show Spoiler +She's good with blasters...after she literally says she doesn't know how to use a blaster. In fact, she's better than someone conditioned since childhood to use them. And better than him at melee combat too.
She Jedi mind tricks someone on her third try. She is better at pulling the lightsaber than Luke was until like Episode 5, and Luke was taught by a Jedi Knight and a Jedi Master.
She fixes and flies the Falcon better than Han and Chewy.
She hacks the panels on Han's super ship effortlessly. Twice.
She's like the perfect chosen one who succeeds at everything and has no flaws. Even if you can explain away her uberness based on her backstory...that doesn't make her any less uber, because the backstory didn't need to be that way. It doesn't really take much away from the movie, of course, because it's made pretty well. The blasters are the most egregious one by far.
I dunno, Luke is a hotshot wunderkind as well in Ep 4. Not exactly equivalent but it's close enough that I don't see anything too ridiculous.
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She is a hero in a Star Wars movie, she has "hero" level skills.
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I actually hope that Rey is Lukes daughter. If she is, that would mean that:
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The scene where Ren and Rey are both trying to pull Anakins lightsaber (my fav scene in any SW film to date), it would mean that we were watching the two grandchildren of Anakin, both with a blood right to that saber, contesting it. And in the end, it choose Rey over Ren. Powerful stuff.
As for Rey being "perfect at everything:"
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She does have 2 major flaws that were pretty apparent I thought. First is her desire for family. This is the obvious thing that will tempt her to the dark side, since it is an emotional vulnerability. Second, she is emotional in general. She cries/almost cries like 3 or 4 times in this movie. Plus it is clear that when she defeats Ren at the end she is channeling anger/darkness (confirmed by TFA novelization). She is a lot more than just a Mary Sue.
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yeah luke goes from scrub farm boy to ace pilot who destroys the death star in the span of one film
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I don't really buy the Rey is emotional as a flaw just because she acted during the film. Jedi/force user shouldn't translate into wooden, Shitty acting. And I didn't see the scene at the end as her using the dark side. It looked more like she controlled her fear and focused, unlike Ren.
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On December 21 2015 09:40 trifecta wrote:
yeah luke goes from scrub farm boy to ace pilot who destroys the death star in the span of one film
Not really. Multiple characters talk up his piloting skills before he hops in the X-Wing.
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She did look very angry though.
She wasn't that good at everything guys, when she first fires the blaster she missess! It only happens once of course, but I think that was JJ Abrams way of saying "see? she isn't amazing at everything! just better than those storm troppers trained since birth"
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They are storm troopers, goons in a pulp action movie. They are not heroes in a Star Wars movie.
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On December 21 2015 09:25 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 09:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 21 2015 08:35 LegalLord wrote:
Well she doesn't do all that much. Good with mechanics, probably because she worked with imperial wreckage her entire life. Good with lightsabers because she's good with melee weapons in general. Good with blasters but who isn't? Good with the Force probably because she's the main Force-sensitive lead and they all had remarkable abilities in that sense. Note that Poe Dameron is also really good at everything because all he really does plays into his strengths.
I think it's more that the other two main cast members (Finn and Ren) are visibly flawed in severe ways. Finn is part of an elite troop of Stormtroopers but he is decidedly average among them. Ren is a Dark Jedi trainee who is mentally unstable, even if immensely powerful and extremely destructive. + Show Spoiler +She's good with blasters...after she literally says she doesn't know how to use a blaster. In fact, she's better than someone conditioned since childhood to use them. And better than him at melee combat too.
She Jedi mind tricks someone on her third try. She is better at pulling the lightsaber than Luke was until like Episode 5, and Luke was taught by a Jedi Knight and a Jedi Master.
She fixes and flies the Falcon better than Han and Chewy.
She hacks the panels on Han's super ship effortlessly. Twice.
She's like the perfect chosen one who succeeds at everything and has no flaws. Even if you can explain away her uberness based on her backstory...that doesn't make her any less uber, because the backstory didn't need to be that way. It doesn't really take much away from the movie, of course, because it's made pretty well. The blasters are the most egregious one by far. I dunno, Luke is a hotshot wunderkind as well in Ep 4. Not exactly equivalent but it's close enough that I don't see anything too ridiculous.
He really isn't. Luke's progression was somewhat believable and he had Obi-wan's help, Rey has 0 instruction and takes on someone who can freeze lazer blasts, bat them away like flies and was trained by Luke. She resists Ren's mind powers and uses the jedi persuasion trick on the third try (again without instruction), further undermined by that dumb gag with the gun. There's also her incredible engineering work that makes Han Solo look like he doesn't know his own ship. If she's not an amnesiac 'youngling' it's just horrible storytelling.
It's funny how the original film has far less fighters but way more tension. The CGI swarms of ti fighters are laughably impotent.
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On December 21 2015 09:47 Plansix wrote:
I don't really buy the Rey is emotional as a flaw just because she acted during the film. Jedi/force user shouldn't translate into wooden, Shitty acting. And I didn't see the scene at the end as her using the dark side. It looked more like she controlled her fear and focused, unlike Ren.
All I can really say then is watch it again. I've seen it 3 times, and read the part of the book. She is supposed to be angry and she does convey that, in my opinion, as she beats him down. She is gritting her teeth as she overpowers him, and looks a lot like Luke did leading up to him cutting off Vaders hand in RoJ.
As an aside, they could actually go the route of making her the strongest force user in history. The physical embodiment of the force essentially. In that case everything she does not only makes sense, you'd expect it.
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Once again, I don't buy into the Jedi are supposed to not show emotion during action scenes. She can grit her teeth during a fight because fighting is physically stressful. Controlling your emotions means not acting on them, not looking like a wooden actor.
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