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On June 08 2012 09:35 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 09:29 xParadoxi wrote:
I have a feeling that this movie wouldn't work for a few reasons.
While marvel has been making a ton of movies for their characters, DC hasn't, and a lot of people wouldn't understand the backstory of the characters. Also The Green Lantern was a steaming pile of shit, and if you bring back Ryan Reynolds, you're just asking for a movie to lose money. Ryn Reynolds is a good actor but he just doesn't fit that serious actor role very good imo. He's more of the comedy, light hearted type of guy that can't fit well in a darker movie. Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 09:31 Brutaxilos wrote:
I think you should add in the OP that Warner Bros is rebooting the Batman franchise for this film. That alone is a significant controversy. Ffs why? Work with what Nolan has created, that franchise is fucking amazing and exactly what any Batman movie hopes and wants to be.
Well for one thing because the Nolan Batman exists in a world without other superheroes. That's one of the reasons its so believable.
Not saying you cant bring that dark vibe back into a world that has other superheroes in it, but to use the exact story wouldn't work because it isn't meant to stand alongside characters like Superman.
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On June 08 2012 09:52 BreakfastBurrito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 09:42 xParadoxi wrote:
A good movie with Ryan Reynolds is an oxymoron. Hes been in great movies such as "The Green Lantern", "Blade Trinity" and Definitely Maybe. /Sarcasm. Also he's deadpool too. Whats next Robert Downey jr as the Martian? good movies ryan reynolds has been in: Safehouse Xmen origins The Proposal (Don't hate lol) and plenty of cameos i dont think those count though not diagreeing with you on the bad ones though, especially green lantern.. good lord that was awful. anyways, i'd like to see more DC movies. the Dark Knight series has been excellent, and if they can do it like that I'd enjoy them... but there is a lot of room for it to be awful as well, so idk. Worth a shot I guess, WB has the money. Some of the DC characters just seem... OP to me though. Superman and green lantern can both kinda do anything. Doesn't make it as compelling as the limitations other heroes have. Using kryptonite every time is a laaame device.
X-men origins was fucking awful.
one of the worst movies i have ever seen.
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On June 08 2012 10:19 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote:
Isn't Superman weak to magic?
With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well. You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
That sort of thing seemed to happen a lot in the Avenger's i feel.
When the action actually started it was really Ironman, Hulk, and Thor doing all the real work while the "regular" humans pretty much handled crowd control.
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BTW
I think you should add in the OP that Warner Bros is rebooting the Batman franchise for this film. That alone is a significant controversy.
Do you have a source for this?
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On June 08 2012 14:50 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 10:19 Lightwip wrote:On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote:
Isn't Superman weak to magic?
With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well. You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid That sort of thing seemed to happen a lot in the Avenger's i feel. When the action actually started it was really Ironman, Hulk, and Thor doing all the real work while the "regular" humans pretty much handled crowd control.
The problem is, Superman is so far ahead of everyone else that you'd have to have someone like Darkseid, who could easily crush the rest of the league put together.
On June 08 2012 14:20 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 14:11 GARO wrote:On June 08 2012 13:58 Zooper31 wrote:On June 08 2012 10:19 Lightwip wrote:On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote:
Isn't Superman weak to magic?
With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well. You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid Darkseid would be an amazing first villian. And then we'd still have moviegoers whine and moan about how powerless Batman and Green Arrow are actually members of the JLA after watching it. Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 10:19 Lightwip wrote:On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote:
Isn't Superman weak to magic?
With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well. You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid I thought Superman/Batman: Apocalypse was a good animated movie featuring Darkseid. Edit: Darkseid as the first villain would be a bit too much though.
It was pretty good, but I think it could've been a lot better. Nevertheless, it showed quite clearly how OP someone like Darkseid is.
I've always thought that a movie based on the Justice Lords could be pretty good, if done right. That would be pretty hard to do though, especially since it was already done once.
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It doesn't work because of Superman.
You have to have a villain that is so strong that only Superman can beat him, which is dumb...
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you have to take Superman out in some incredibly cheesy way early in the movie which is also dumb.
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On June 09 2012 01:16 Cainam wrote:
It doesn't work because of Superman.
You have to have a villain that is so strong that only Superman can beat him, which is dumb...
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you have to take Superman out in some incredibly cheesy way early in the movie which is also dumb.
Brainiac would actually make a pretty good, well-balanced foe. Superman's strength won't be as valuable and the rest won't be as useless.
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Superman + Batman would just do it and the rest would still be useless. Superman is one of the smartest on the team and only Batman is surely smarter. Though canonically, Green Lantern is supposed to be really powerful, too.
That said, they better not mess up Wonder Woman's costume.
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On June 09 2012 01:16 Cainam wrote:
It doesn't work because of Superman.
You have to have a villain that is so strong that only Superman can beat him, which is dumb...
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you have to take Superman out in some incredibly cheesy way early in the movie which is also dumb.
Then how does Avengers worth with Hulk and Thor when you have Hawkeye and Black Widow..?
Each character needs to fill it's role. Captain America stepped up to lead, Iron Man/Hulk/Thor dealt most of the damage, Hawkeye spotted and Black Widow had nice boobs...
Sure Superman can do a lot, but he can't do absolutely everything. Martian Manhunter leads, Superman/Green Lantern/Wonder Woman deal the damage, Batman strategizes/co-ordinates, Flash will just be awesome and then you throw in some other token JLA members (Red Tornado, Black Canary, Booster Gold, etc) and there is your movie.
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WTF? Who the hell is saying Ryan Reynolds is a good actor? He's like a junior Mint of Ben Affleck. All his roles are predictably generic-comedy and not all good or difficult to perform.
X-men Origins was brutal to watch.
Fucking Green Lantern was also just unbeliably terrible, I had to check if it was Green Hornet or Green Lantern, both just horrendous movies.
Then again, I also hated the movie Kick-ass, so whoever wrote that is not in my good eye.
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How can anyone discuss Ryan Reynolds without discussing Smoking Aces (I know it doesn't have strong reviews but fun movie to watch and his performance in it was great), Waiting..., or probably his best performance in 'Buried'. Definitely Maybe and Adventureland were both well received by critics as well.
Back on topic of TJL... I have basically lost faith in almost any DC related movie besides Nolans Batman which basically is 100% Nolan's creation. I hope I'm wrong but I wouldn't hold my breath on this being anything great unless DC seriously takes a page out of Nolan's book and does the movie in the same vein as the Nolan/Bale Batman.
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On June 09 2012 01:49 HyperLink wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 01:16 Cainam wrote:
It doesn't work because of Superman.
You have to have a villain that is so strong that only Superman can beat him, which is dumb...
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you have to take Superman out in some incredibly cheesy way early in the movie which is also dumb. Then how does Avengers worth with Hulk and Thor when you have Hawkeye and Black Widow..? Each character needs to fill it's role. Captain America stepped up to lead, Iron Man/Hulk/Thor dealt most of the damage, Hawkeye spotted and Black Widow had nice boobs... Sure Superman can do a lot, but he can't do absolutely everything. Martian Manhunter leads, Superman/Green Lantern/Wonder Woman deal the damage, Batman strategizes/co-ordinates, Flash will just be awesome and then you throw in some other token JLA members (Red Tornado, Black Canary, Booster Gold, etc) and there is your movie.
I want to see it, but I just don't think it can work.
The Avengers was built up as funny and cheesy. All of the lead-up movies incorporated some humour so it wasn't stupid when they put it in the big movie. Superman and Batman just aren't that funny as characters, there's no humour. The reason that it wouldn't work so well is that Flash and Lantern are funny, and the other characters won't be well known because they don't have their own successful movies. (except you Flash what a beauty of a movie!  )
I hope I'm wrong, but aren't the Marvel characters more popular anyway?
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On June 09 2012 01:05 Lightwip wrote:
The problem is, Superman is so far ahead of everyone else that you'd have to have someone like Darkseid, who could easily crush the rest of the league put together.
Yeah, it would absolutely ruin a movie to have a totally unstoppable character that could smash all the bad guys in five seconds. *Cough*Hulksmash*Cough*
Marvel has a serious issue with a lack of notable and popular villains. Almost all of the well-liked/well-known ones are either villains of Spiderman or the X-Men, both of which had no involvement in the Avengers cast. Hence why half of the Marvel movies involved some schmuck with the same power as the hero (Ironmonger, Whiplash, Abomination). Even the Red Skull, despite being known, had to leech off of the Super Serum in the movie.
DC has almost no such problems. Thanks to almost constant runs of animated series, plus a large cast of extremely popular and known villains, there are loads of villains that could simply arrive and be badasses.
...of course, DC has the opposite problem of having Batman and Superman as their front-running heroes, and everyone else being the side characters (largely due to failed movies and series).
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This is gonna be so sick if this works out well. I really didnt like ryan reynolds as the green lantern. but if he does do it i hope that it can be a really good movie. DC comics tended to be darker anyway so if that is the case then i hope they stick to it. also i really hope that the flash and martian manhunter get their own movies or some quick background in the movie. i would hate to see them just sloppily thrown in.
but that doesnt matter at the moment TDKR is coming and that is all a care about lol. 
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On June 09 2012 01:49 HyperLink wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 01:16 Cainam wrote:
It doesn't work because of Superman.
You have to have a villain that is so strong that only Superman can beat him, which is dumb...
OR
you have to take Superman out in some incredibly cheesy way early in the movie which is also dumb. Then how does Avengers worth with Hulk and Thor when you have Hawkeye and Black Widow..? Each character needs to fill it's role. Captain America stepped up to lead, Iron Man/Hulk/Thor dealt most of the damage, Hawkeye spotted and Black Widow had nice boobs... Sure Superman can do a lot, but he can't do absolutely everything. Martian Manhunter leads, Superman/Green Lantern/Wonder Woman deal the damage, Batman strategizes/co-ordinates, Flash will just be awesome and then you throw in some other token JLA members (Red Tornado, Black Canary, Booster Gold, etc) and there is your movie.
The way many JLA stories work is this:
1. Surprise attack takes Superman out of the equation or Superman is preoccupied somewhere else
2. Team gets captured/into trouble
3. Batman figures out a) way to defeat enemies himself using some newly invented gadget or b) free Superman
4. If 3b happened, Superman kicks ass
5. Rest of cast cleans up after Superman
The Avengers work because Hulk/Thor have powers that are a bit more one-dimensional than Superman's. Iron Man has more varied powers but is not as powerful. Then there are other Avengers like Scarlet Witch that are not in the movie who have more interesting powers that are not redundant with the brawlers. Then they have Captain America's resourceful leadership, Iron Man and Hank Pym's brains and Black Widow's spying and information gathering. In the JLA, all of those intelligence roles are filled by Batman and some can even be filled by Superman. Batman and Superman pretty much don't need anybody else.
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On June 08 2012 14:49 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 09:52 BreakfastBurrito wrote:On June 08 2012 09:42 xParadoxi wrote:
A good movie with Ryan Reynolds is an oxymoron. Hes been in great movies such as "The Green Lantern", "Blade Trinity" and Definitely Maybe. /Sarcasm. Also he's deadpool too. Whats next Robert Downey jr as the Martian? good movies ryan reynolds has been in: Safehouse Xmen origins The Proposal (Don't hate lol) and plenty of cameos i dont think those count though not diagreeing with you on the bad ones though, especially green lantern.. good lord that was awful. anyways, i'd like to see more DC movies. the Dark Knight series has been excellent, and if they can do it like that I'd enjoy them... but there is a lot of room for it to be awful as well, so idk. Worth a shot I guess, WB has the money. Some of the DC characters just seem... OP to me though. Superman and green lantern can both kinda do anything. Doesn't make it as compelling as the limitations other heroes have. Using kryptonite every time is a laaame device. X-men origins was fucking awful. one of the worst movies i have ever seen.
whether or not origins was good or terrible ryan reynolds was perfect for playing deadpool's character.
and, much as i hate a batman reboot, the nolan's batman doesnt remotely fit into a justice league, even considering how reclusive a JL batman was anyway.
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They might have to use the John Green Lantern, I think he fits the character of the movie better.
I don't really see Ryan Reynolds being the best fit for the darker Justice League movie, though I'm not extensively familiar with his work, I just don't see him fitting into the movie too well. That being said, I can really see myself being wrong there, so I'm curious as to how they'll cast Flash and Green Lantern.
Also, how will they make Aquaman relevant, because I can't imagine them baking in excuses to use his fish-speak.
I think that taking a Marvel approach and releasing movies for the characters long before the Justice League might be necessary.
Also, if they wear ugly spandex costumes I will not see the movie. :-D UPDATE YO COSTUMING, DOOOOODS.
EDIT: I wonder how they'll portray superspeed... can't remember the last time I saw superspeed portrayed in a movie, so hopefully its not an eyebleeder.
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