We practically don't know much about the developing Justice League movie. Besides the fact that Warner Bros. is moving forward with the project, the only thing we can confirm is that Will Beall is currently putting together a script. But even with this news, I kept asking myself, "how will Warner Bros. present their superhero team?" Will they take a darker, serious tone like they did with Christopher Nolan's Batman? Or will they be a bit more playful like how Marvel did their films? Well, according to comic writer Mark Millar, Warner Bros. is taking the dark route.
Millar, creator of Kick-Ass and writer of Marvel's Civil War, posted some interesting stuff on his official forums site, Millar World. Basically, a friend of Millar, who's also a close friend of the Justice League screenwriter, Will Beall, said that he's read some of the script:
A pal of mine is good friends with the new Justice League screenwriter and said his take on the team is incredible. Very real-world and not at all what you might expect. WB has a chequered history with their superhero characters. They're great with their boy wizards, but less consistent with their DC stable. But my chum said that this could be a thing of beauty and has been in the works for a little while now, not just an avengers knock-off. Best of luck to them. The tidbits I heard sound quite dark and mature, which isn't what I expected. But word on Gangster Squad is great too so I feel this is in really good hands.
With the success of Nolan's Batman trilogy, it's no surprise that Warner Bros. would be taking this approach. Of course, Avengers did quite the opposite, and all of their films (especially The Avengers) did gangbusters in the box office. Still, even if what Millar says is true, the script could go through many rewrites and revisions before anything gets finalized before shooting the actual film.
As I've always said, what it really comes down to in making these comic movies successful is carefully picking the writers and directors, as well as which actors get cast. Marvel did a superb job in doing all of that, so whether the Justice League ends up being a "dark" or "light," it will be those factors I mentioned that will be the main reason this film will succeeds or not.
This is the first real information I've heard about this movie's development aside from the fact that Warner Bros is indeed making it.
I don't know about the rest of you, but not only am I intrigued by this article I'm also excited.
Obviously this is an ambitious project that can easily go wrong if it isn't done right. But I think the success of The Avenger's is reason to be optimistic about it.
I can't say I'm TOO optimistic, I don't think this movie will have the success the Avengers had, it could be good, but...
1. Will they use the same Green Lantern as the one in the movie? Ryan Reynolds?
2. Will they make Superman and the Flash's costumes look... not bad. This one is personal, but I think the reason it was easier to take the Avengers seriously was that their costumes were recognizable, but more realistically designed.
3. How will they integrate the Flash and Martian Man Hunter without any movies for them? If they spend any time with origins then it could really kill it. What about Wonder Woman? They feel a little... shy on movies to flesh out the characters.
THAT BEING SAID... I really hope it works out well, dark is the right route to take for DC, Marvel is already king of the light hearted style, and it seems like the rest of the DC movies have only REALLY had success with the darker route.
So it could be really good, hopefully its the minimalized non-Ryan Reynolds team.
Still wishing that DC'd do a movie based solely on a villain. :< I feel like that'd fit their successes more readily. Plus i'd fucking love to see a good, gritty supervillain backstory movie.
Well, 'til then, hopefully the Justice League is made well, if its not, then I think Marvel will solidify itself firmly above DC in the movie category.
I have a feeling that this movie wouldn't work for a few reasons. While marvel has been making a ton of movies for their characters, DC hasn't, and a lot of people wouldn't understand the backstory of the characters. Also The Green Lantern was a steaming pile of shit, and if you bring back Ryan Reynolds, you're just asking for a movie to lose money.
On June 08 2012 09:29 xParadoxi wrote: I have a feeling that this movie wouldn't work for a few reasons. While marvel has been making a ton of movies for their characters, DC hasn't, and a lot of people wouldn't understand the backstory of the characters. Also The Green Lantern was a steaming pile of shit, and if you bring back Ryan Reynolds, you're just asking for a movie to lose money.
Ryn Reynolds is a good actor but he just doesn't fit that serious actor role very good imo. He's more of the comedy, light hearted type of guy that can't fit well in a darker movie.
On June 08 2012 09:31 Brutaxilos wrote: I think you should add in the OP that Warner Bros is rebooting the Batman franchise for this film. That alone is a significant controversy.
Ffs why? Work with what Nolan has created, that franchise is fucking amazing and exactly what any Batman movie hopes and wants to be.
Err, didnt Bale and Nolan say they were done with Batman after Dark Knight Rises?
If they do this I dont know if they'll get Nolan's Batman that we've all come to love. I dont think anyone wants a new Batman, and it'd be gay to have TJL without him.
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On June 08 2012 09:31 Brutaxilos wrote: I think you should add in the OP that Warner Bros is rebooting the Batman franchise for this film. That alone is a significant controversy.
Yeah see I thought so. Super gay.
EDIT2: So is that picture just some random TJL picture, or is that who's supposed to be in this movie? 'Cuase I think Wonder Woman's a prt of them right? She ain't in that picture.
A good movie with Ryan Reynolds is an oxymoron. Hes been in great movies such as "The Green Lantern", "Blade Trinity" and Definitely Maybe. /Sarcasm. Also he's deadpool too. Whats next Robert Downey jr as the Martian?
On June 08 2012 09:42 xParadoxi wrote: A good movie with Ryan Reynolds is an oxymoron. Hes been in great movies such as "The Green Lantern", "Blade Trinity" and Definitely Maybe. /Sarcasm. Also he's deadpool too. Whats next Robert Downey jr as the Martian?
good movies ryan reynolds has been in: Safehouse Xmen origins The Proposal (Don't hate lol)
and plenty of cameos i dont think those count though
not diagreeing with you on the bad ones though, especially green lantern.. good lord that was awful.
anyways, i'd like to see more DC movies. the Dark Knight series has been excellent, and if they can do it like that I'd enjoy them... but there is a lot of room for it to be awful as well, so idk. Worth a shot I guess, WB has the money.
Some of the DC characters just seem... OP to me though. Superman and green lantern can both kinda do anything. Doesn't make it as compelling as the limitations other heroes have. Using kryptonite every time is a laaame device.
Don't see why anyone is questioning why Batman needs to be rebooted for Justice League.
Bane doesn't have miracle muscle drugs, Joker doesn't go insane from chemicals, Ra's Al Gul isn't really immortal, everything is realistic...oh, by the way, now aliens and superpowers!
On June 08 2012 09:42 xParadoxi wrote: A good movie with Ryan Reynolds is an oxymoron. Hes been in great movies such as "The Green Lantern", "Blade Trinity" and Definitely Maybe. /Sarcasm. Also he's deadpool too. Whats next Robert Downey jr as the Martian?
good movies ryan reynolds has been in: Safehouse Xmen origins The Proposal (Don't hate lol)
and plenty of cameos i dont think those count though
not diagreeing with you on the bad ones though, especially green lantern.. good lord that was awful.
anyways, i'd like to see more DC movies. the Dark Knight series has been excellent, and if they can do it like that I'd enjoy them... but there is a lot of room for it to be awful as well, so idk. Worth a shot I guess, WB has the money.
Some of the DC characters just seem... OP to me though. Superman and green lantern can both kinda do anything. Doesn't make it as compelling as the limitations other heroes have. Using kryptonite every time is a laaame device.
Haha, I guess you and i just have different taste in movies. The proposal was probably the best of the three (sadly). X-Men origins was a bit of a letdown for me, Safehouse too, as much as I like Denzel. I completely agree with you as far as the characters. Superman storylines always seems so predictable due to kyptonite being his one weakness. It makes the characters more one dimensional.
Well, the animated Justice League was actually pretty well done for the most part. With a large budget and likeable characters, I think a Justice League movie could work. At the same time, it could also suck.
Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
On June 08 2012 09:47 Risen wrote: FLASH! FLASH! FLASH! I'd wear a costume to a movie release for the first time in my life.
OH GOD. What if they try and cast Ryan Reynolds as the Flash?!?!
I am now crapping my pants...
If they ruin Flash... Sheldon Cooper will be disappoint.
Yes Yes Yes!!! Such high expectations for my favorite super hero <3
I wore my Iron Man T-shirt to the Avengers, and I will show up to The Justice League in my Flash shirt.
Seriously, I'm kind of excited, as long as they don't ruin the casting and make the costumes look good they have PLENTY of material to make a great Justice League movie.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
I had this same worry with the Avengers, but the way they had it pan out went really well, the only issue is that it might be harder to choreograph hero v hero fight scenes into this one... well, there are ways to make the heroes each relevant compared to each other.
Though I ALWAYS worry about Superman, because hes way too fucking perfect and its really easy for people to just ask why the rest of them so much as exist.
On June 08 2012 09:42 xParadoxi wrote: A good movie with Ryan Reynolds is an oxymoron. Hes been in great movies such as "The Green Lantern", "Blade Trinity" and Definitely Maybe. /Sarcasm. Also he's deadpool too. Whats next Robert Downey jr as the Martian?
They have been talking about this movie for years and they always up end shelving the project or put on hold. Christopher Nolan himself said that his Batman universe will not fit in with the rest of the DC universe because of the realism approach he has done. However, going off of the OP, it sounds like they really want to make The Justice League similar to Nolan's Batman trilogy. It will be interesting how this will work since the new Superman movie (The Man of Steel) is being produced by Nolan.
Ryan Reynolds isn't a bad actor, he just has a terrible habit of picking movies that end up being completely screwed.
It wasn't his fault that Green Lantern sucked. That movie/script was bounced around so much that it was doomed to be a total clusterfuck no matter what he did. He can do a serious role, it's just that any movie where he has done so has bombed for various other reasons. His performance in "Buried" was almost universally praised - only nobody saw that movie because it was limited release and advertised like shit.
To be fair, he really does excel at the wise-cracking comedic character. He would have been a fucking fantastic Deadpool and his stint as Weapon X was destroyed by the fact that they took away his ability to speak and thus Reynold's charm.
The guy can act - he just needs a better agent and/or roles.
I guess how the execs feel about this film with depends mainly on how well The Man of Steel does. Sure they say there's a script, but it needs to go through a ton of people before money's on the table.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
or they could make a movie based on the Kingdom Come series. They are sooo good.
DC has always produced some amazing animated shows and animated movies. The new Young Justice is quite good and gets better with every episode, I hopethey can translate their animated success to the big screen.
The DC Universe MMO opening caught my attention when I first saw it. I hope the movie will have the same impact or better, + Show Spoiler +
the scene where Deathstroke beats the crap out of Batman and Joker decides nobody kills the bat but him made me jizz my pants.
Green Lnatern will bomb this movie. It was such an abomination that DC or Warner Bros should just drop the character of make another one before Justice League with a different approach altogether, or the movie will be laughable.
Name two movies whose lores, as they stand now, could be blended together to make a JL movie. Marvel knew that Iron man, Hulk, Thor, and C.America would tie into a homogenous Avengers movie - that's why it turned ot to be such a fucking success.
DC has no chance at this. None of the movies except maybe Green Lantern have an established backstory with room for more superheroes. Superman? no. Batman? Too realistic. Batman reboot? Fuck you DC. Seriously, fuck you. Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman (I saw a trailer for this once, looked shitty), Green Arrow, blah blah blah blah so many heroes that warrant their own movies and yet talk of a JL movie.
I don't know why this made me so angry, but it did. DC just has no chance.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
Darkseid would be an amazing first villian.
And then we'd still have moviegoers whine and moan about how powerless Batman and Green Arrow are actually members of the JLA after watching it.
Ryan Reynolds isn't a bad actor, he just has a terrible habit of picking movies that end up being completely screwed.
It wasn't his fault that Green Lantern sucked. That movie/script was bounced around so much that it was doomed to be a total clusterfuck no matter what he did. He can do a serious role, it's just that any movie where he has done so has bombed for various other reasons. His performance in "Buried" was almost universally praised - only nobody saw that movie because it was limited release and advertised like shit.
To be fair, he really does excel at the wise-cracking comedic character. He would have been a fucking fantastic Deadpool and his stint as Weapon X was destroyed by the fact that they took away his ability to speak and thus Reynold's charm.
The guy can act - he just needs a better agent and/or roles.
Agreed. I think Reynolds would have been a great Hal Jordan. Besides Reynolds, Mark Strong saved the movie for me. I thought he was a great Sinestro. All I know is that they're still serious about a sequel... They really need help if they plan on going through with that.
On June 08 2012 13:44 riotjune wrote: This is injustice.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
Darkseid would be an amazing first villian.
Agreed, but I think the casual movie goer will think he is a wannabe/rip off of Thanos. I think that because Thanos was shown at the end of The Avengers and the two characters are pretty similar in terms of the end boss. The same thing goes if they bring in Green Arrow for a Justice League movie.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
Darkseid would be an amazing first villian.
And then we'd still have moviegoers whine and moan about how powerless Batman and Green Arrow are actually members of the JLA after watching it.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
Dark undertones and DC comics go hand-in-hand. The problem is, ludicrous and outrageously goofy ideas are often also present in the exact same stories. Take for example, Final Crisis. Where Darkseid and the evil gods have all died, but found a way to invade the minds of people and heroes on Earth. So the Question jumps around different Universes to pick up heroes for help including, I shit you not, a black President of the United States who's also the secret identity of his universe's Superman. So yeah, grimdark but also really silly.
On June 08 2012 09:29 xParadoxi wrote: I have a feeling that this movie wouldn't work for a few reasons. While marvel has been making a ton of movies for their characters, DC hasn't, and a lot of people wouldn't understand the backstory of the characters. Also The Green Lantern was a steaming pile of shit, and if you bring back Ryan Reynolds, you're just asking for a movie to lose money.
Ryn Reynolds is a good actor but he just doesn't fit that serious actor role very good imo. He's more of the comedy, light hearted type of guy that can't fit well in a darker movie.
On June 08 2012 09:31 Brutaxilos wrote: I think you should add in the OP that Warner Bros is rebooting the Batman franchise for this film. That alone is a significant controversy.
Ffs why? Work with what Nolan has created, that franchise is fucking amazing and exactly what any Batman movie hopes and wants to be.
Well for one thing because the Nolan Batman exists in a world without other superheroes. That's one of the reasons its so believable.
Not saying you cant bring that dark vibe back into a world that has other superheroes in it, but to use the exact story wouldn't work because it isn't meant to stand alongside characters like Superman.
On June 08 2012 09:42 xParadoxi wrote: A good movie with Ryan Reynolds is an oxymoron. Hes been in great movies such as "The Green Lantern", "Blade Trinity" and Definitely Maybe. /Sarcasm. Also he's deadpool too. Whats next Robert Downey jr as the Martian?
good movies ryan reynolds has been in: Safehouse Xmen origins The Proposal (Don't hate lol)
and plenty of cameos i dont think those count though
not diagreeing with you on the bad ones though, especially green lantern.. good lord that was awful.
anyways, i'd like to see more DC movies. the Dark Knight series has been excellent, and if they can do it like that I'd enjoy them... but there is a lot of room for it to be awful as well, so idk. Worth a shot I guess, WB has the money.
Some of the DC characters just seem... OP to me though. Superman and green lantern can both kinda do anything. Doesn't make it as compelling as the limitations other heroes have. Using kryptonite every time is a laaame device.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
That sort of thing seemed to happen a lot in the Avenger's i feel.
When the action actually started it was really Ironman, Hulk, and Thor doing all the real work while the "regular" humans pretty much handled crowd control.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
That sort of thing seemed to happen a lot in the Avenger's i feel.
When the action actually started it was really Ironman, Hulk, and Thor doing all the real work while the "regular" humans pretty much handled crowd control.
The problem is, Superman is so far ahead of everyone else that you'd have to have someone like Darkseid, who could easily crush the rest of the league put together.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
Darkseid would be an amazing first villian.
And then we'd still have moviegoers whine and moan about how powerless Batman and Green Arrow are actually members of the JLA after watching it.
On June 08 2012 10:15 Crazyeyes wrote: Isn't Superman weak to magic? With the type of cast you have in TJL, they'd probalby be fighting space wizards or something. So you dont necessarily need kryptonite. I think. I don't really know my comic book shit too well.
You could also use supervillains that are so strong that no one but Superman would be able to fight them, leaving the rest of the Justice League without any real purpose. Example: Darkseid
Edit: Darkseid as the first villain would be a bit too much though.
It was pretty good, but I think it could've been a lot better. Nevertheless, it showed quite clearly how OP someone like Darkseid is.
I've always thought that a movie based on the Justice Lords could be pretty good, if done right. That would be pretty hard to do though, especially since it was already done once.
Superman + Batman would just do it and the rest would still be useless. Superman is one of the smartest on the team and only Batman is surely smarter. Though canonically, Green Lantern is supposed to be really powerful, too.
That said, they better not mess up Wonder Woman's costume.
On June 09 2012 01:16 Cainam wrote: It doesn't work because of Superman.
You have to have a villain that is so strong that only Superman can beat him, which is dumb...
OR
you have to take Superman out in some incredibly cheesy way early in the movie which is also dumb.
Then how does Avengers worth with Hulk and Thor when you have Hawkeye and Black Widow..?
Each character needs to fill it's role. Captain America stepped up to lead, Iron Man/Hulk/Thor dealt most of the damage, Hawkeye spotted and Black Widow had nice boobs...
Sure Superman can do a lot, but he can't do absolutely everything. Martian Manhunter leads, Superman/Green Lantern/Wonder Woman deal the damage, Batman strategizes/co-ordinates, Flash will just be awesome and then you throw in some other token JLA members (Red Tornado, Black Canary, Booster Gold, etc) and there is your movie.
WTF? Who the hell is saying Ryan Reynolds is a good actor? He's like a junior Mint of Ben Affleck. All his roles are predictably generic-comedy and not all good or difficult to perform.
X-men Origins was brutal to watch. Fucking Green Lantern was also just unbeliably terrible, I had to check if it was Green Hornet or Green Lantern, both just horrendous movies.
Then again, I also hated the movie Kick-ass, so whoever wrote that is not in my good eye.
How can anyone discuss Ryan Reynolds without discussing Smoking Aces (I know it doesn't have strong reviews but fun movie to watch and his performance in it was great), Waiting..., or probably his best performance in 'Buried'. Definitely Maybe and Adventureland were both well received by critics as well.
Back on topic of TJL... I have basically lost faith in almost any DC related movie besides Nolans Batman which basically is 100% Nolan's creation. I hope I'm wrong but I wouldn't hold my breath on this being anything great unless DC seriously takes a page out of Nolan's book and does the movie in the same vein as the Nolan/Bale Batman.
On June 09 2012 01:16 Cainam wrote: It doesn't work because of Superman.
You have to have a villain that is so strong that only Superman can beat him, which is dumb...
OR
you have to take Superman out in some incredibly cheesy way early in the movie which is also dumb.
Then how does Avengers worth with Hulk and Thor when you have Hawkeye and Black Widow..?
Each character needs to fill it's role. Captain America stepped up to lead, Iron Man/Hulk/Thor dealt most of the damage, Hawkeye spotted and Black Widow had nice boobs...
Sure Superman can do a lot, but he can't do absolutely everything. Martian Manhunter leads, Superman/Green Lantern/Wonder Woman deal the damage, Batman strategizes/co-ordinates, Flash will just be awesome and then you throw in some other token JLA members (Red Tornado, Black Canary, Booster Gold, etc) and there is your movie.
I want to see it, but I just don't think it can work.
The Avengers was built up as funny and cheesy. All of the lead-up movies incorporated some humour so it wasn't stupid when they put it in the big movie. Superman and Batman just aren't that funny as characters, there's no humour. The reason that it wouldn't work so well is that Flash and Lantern are funny, and the other characters won't be well known because they don't have their own successful movies. (except you Flash what a beauty of a movie! )
I hope I'm wrong, but aren't the Marvel characters more popular anyway?
On June 09 2012 01:05 Lightwip wrote: The problem is, Superman is so far ahead of everyone else that you'd have to have someone like Darkseid, who could easily crush the rest of the league put together.
Yeah, it would absolutely ruin a movie to have a totally unstoppable character that could smash all the bad guys in five seconds. *Cough*Hulksmash*Cough*
Marvel has a serious issue with a lack of notable and popular villains. Almost all of the well-liked/well-known ones are either villains of Spiderman or the X-Men, both of which had no involvement in the Avengers cast. Hence why half of the Marvel movies involved some schmuck with the same power as the hero (Ironmonger, Whiplash, Abomination). Even the Red Skull, despite being known, had to leech off of the Super Serum in the movie.
DC has almost no such problems. Thanks to almost constant runs of animated series, plus a large cast of extremely popular and known villains, there are loads of villains that could simply arrive and be badasses.
...of course, DC has the opposite problem of having Batman and Superman as their front-running heroes, and everyone else being the side characters (largely due to failed movies and series).
This is gonna be so sick if this works out well. I really didnt like ryan reynolds as the green lantern. but if he does do it i hope that it can be a really good movie. DC comics tended to be darker anyway so if that is the case then i hope they stick to it. also i really hope that the flash and martian manhunter get their own movies or some quick background in the movie. i would hate to see them just sloppily thrown in.
but that doesnt matter at the moment TDKR is coming and that is all a care about lol.
On June 09 2012 01:16 Cainam wrote: It doesn't work because of Superman.
You have to have a villain that is so strong that only Superman can beat him, which is dumb...
OR
you have to take Superman out in some incredibly cheesy way early in the movie which is also dumb.
Then how does Avengers worth with Hulk and Thor when you have Hawkeye and Black Widow..?
Each character needs to fill it's role. Captain America stepped up to lead, Iron Man/Hulk/Thor dealt most of the damage, Hawkeye spotted and Black Widow had nice boobs...
Sure Superman can do a lot, but he can't do absolutely everything. Martian Manhunter leads, Superman/Green Lantern/Wonder Woman deal the damage, Batman strategizes/co-ordinates, Flash will just be awesome and then you throw in some other token JLA members (Red Tornado, Black Canary, Booster Gold, etc) and there is your movie.
The way many JLA stories work is this: 1. Surprise attack takes Superman out of the equation or Superman is preoccupied somewhere else 2. Team gets captured/into trouble 3. Batman figures out a) way to defeat enemies himself using some newly invented gadget or b) free Superman 4. If 3b happened, Superman kicks ass 5. Rest of cast cleans up after Superman
The Avengers work because Hulk/Thor have powers that are a bit more one-dimensional than Superman's. Iron Man has more varied powers but is not as powerful. Then there are other Avengers like Scarlet Witch that are not in the movie who have more interesting powers that are not redundant with the brawlers. Then they have Captain America's resourceful leadership, Iron Man and Hank Pym's brains and Black Widow's spying and information gathering. In the JLA, all of those intelligence roles are filled by Batman and some can even be filled by Superman. Batman and Superman pretty much don't need anybody else.
On June 08 2012 09:42 xParadoxi wrote: A good movie with Ryan Reynolds is an oxymoron. Hes been in great movies such as "The Green Lantern", "Blade Trinity" and Definitely Maybe. /Sarcasm. Also he's deadpool too. Whats next Robert Downey jr as the Martian?
good movies ryan reynolds has been in: Safehouse Xmen origins The Proposal (Don't hate lol)
and plenty of cameos i dont think those count though
not diagreeing with you on the bad ones though, especially green lantern.. good lord that was awful.
anyways, i'd like to see more DC movies. the Dark Knight series has been excellent, and if they can do it like that I'd enjoy them... but there is a lot of room for it to be awful as well, so idk. Worth a shot I guess, WB has the money.
Some of the DC characters just seem... OP to me though. Superman and green lantern can both kinda do anything. Doesn't make it as compelling as the limitations other heroes have. Using kryptonite every time is a laaame device.
X-men origins was fucking awful.
one of the worst movies i have ever seen.
whether or not origins was good or terrible ryan reynolds was perfect for playing deadpool's character.
and, much as i hate a batman reboot, the nolan's batman doesnt remotely fit into a justice league, even considering how reclusive a JL batman was anyway.
They might have to use the John Green Lantern, I think he fits the character of the movie better.
I don't really see Ryan Reynolds being the best fit for the darker Justice League movie, though I'm not extensively familiar with his work, I just don't see him fitting into the movie too well. That being said, I can really see myself being wrong there, so I'm curious as to how they'll cast Flash and Green Lantern.
Also, how will they make Aquaman relevant, because I can't imagine them baking in excuses to use his fish-speak.
I think that taking a Marvel approach and releasing movies for the characters long before the Justice League might be necessary.
Also, if they wear ugly spandex costumes I will not see the movie. :-D UPDATE YO COSTUMING, DOOOOODS.
EDIT: I wonder how they'll portray superspeed... can't remember the last time I saw superspeed portrayed in a movie, so hopefully its not an eyebleeder.
Huge bump, seeing how I couldn't find a thread on the movie.
Josh Whedon has pretty much taken over the movie and has been doing reshoots for several months(?) I think. So this is either good or very bad.
From the outside, Warner Bros. looks like it's riding high, with the latest movie from its DC Comics Extended Universe, "Wonder Woman," now the highest-grossing movie of the summer.
But Variety is reporting a different vibe inside the studio, specifically for its next big DC release, "Justice League."
The movie that will combine some of the biggest superheros from the DC Comics — Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg — is going through some extensive reshoots. Approximately $25 million of them, in fact.
Though it's common for huge studio movies to have reshoots, recently the practice has become major news due to the end-result of some big titles. Reshoots were praised after the huge success of "Rogue One," though they led to mixed results for "Suicide Squad" (which was critically slaughtered, but earned over $750 million worldwide).
Now, it's time for "Justice League" to go through the ringer.
It seems the reshoots are extensive. Reshoots typically go for a few weeks, but for "Justice League" they have gone on for two months, sources tell Variety.
Any weird ideas who is standing in front of Alfred in the end? First impression it is Sups or Green Lantern (not human). But I wanna bet for Saint Walker, because of HOPE was mentioned by Alfred.
P.S. Few days ago touched "Watchmen" movie, and still impressed how good it was o.o hope they gonna touch multiverse at some point
On July 27 2017 23:21 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Aquaman looks badass :O
Any weird ideas who is standing in front of Alfred in the end? First impression it is Sups or Green Lantern (not human). But I wanna bet for Saint Walker, because of HOPE was mentioned by Alfred.
P.S. Few days ago touched "Watchmen" movie, and still impressed how good it was o.o hope they gonna touch multiverse at some point
Steel Superman or Lex Luthor are my guesses. Both showed up at different times when Supes was missing/dead.
And they are working on moving past the Snyder-verse. Introducing Flash: Flashpoint is a guarantee that they want to move past what Snyder laid out and go in the direction Geoff Johns and DC.
On July 27 2017 23:21 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Aquaman looks badass :O
Any weird ideas who is standing in front of Alfred in the end? First impression it is Sups or Green Lantern (not human). But I wanna bet for Saint Walker, because of HOPE was mentioned by Alfred.
P.S. Few days ago touched "Watchmen" movie, and still impressed how good it was o.o hope they gonna touch multiverse at some point
Steel Superman or Lex Luthor are my guesses. Both showed up at different times when Supes was missing/dead.
And they are working on moving past the Snyder-verse. Introducing Flash: Flashpoint is a guarantee that they want to move past what Snyder laid out and go in the direction Geoff Johns and DC.
Flashpoint would be awesome, at least animated movie was very good.
Steel Superman? Not sure it is time to present different character, I think they are following Superman Reborn script so it's a bit early.
On July 27 2017 23:21 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Aquaman looks badass :O
Any weird ideas who is standing in front of Alfred in the end? First impression it is Sups or Green Lantern (not human). But I wanna bet for Saint Walker, because of HOPE was mentioned by Alfred.
P.S. Few days ago touched "Watchmen" movie, and still impressed how good it was o.o hope they gonna touch multiverse at some point
Steel Superman or Lex Luthor are my guesses. Both showed up at different times when Supes was missing/dead.
And they are working on moving past the Snyder-verse. Introducing Flash: Flashpoint is a guarantee that they want to move past what Snyder laid out and go in the direction Geoff Johns and DC.
Flashpoint would be awesome, at least animated movie was very good.
Steel Superman? Not sure it is time to present different character, I think they are following Superman Reborn script so it's a bit early.
At this point in the DCEU, they can do pretty much anything they want. They're gonna Flashpoint it and redo it anyway. Snyder-verse didn't work. As Feige did with Marvel and Disney, Johns will do with DC and WB.
I'm hoping it's Lex Luthor in his new suit. THAT would be awesome. In Superman Reborn, he donned a fake Supes body and went to protect the world, so who knows.
On July 27 2017 23:21 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Aquaman looks badass :O
Any weird ideas who is standing in front of Alfred in the end? First impression it is Sups or Green Lantern (not human). But I wanna bet for Saint Walker, because of HOPE was mentioned by Alfred.
P.S. Few days ago touched "Watchmen" movie, and still impressed how good it was o.o hope they gonna touch multiverse at some point
Steel Superman or Lex Luthor are my guesses. Both showed up at different times when Supes was missing/dead.
And they are working on moving past the Snyder-verse. Introducing Flash: Flashpoint is a guarantee that they want to move past what Snyder laid out and go in the direction Geoff Johns and DC.
Flashpoint would be awesome, at least animated movie was very good.
Steel Superman? Not sure it is time to present different character, I think they are following Superman Reborn script so it's a bit early.
At this point in the DCEU, they can do pretty much anything they want. They're gonna Flashpoint it and redo it anyway. Snyder-verse didn't work. As Feige did with Marvel and Disney, Johns will do with DC and WB.
I'm hoping it's Lex Luthor in his new suit. THAT would be awesome. In Superman Reborn, he donned a fake Supes body and went to protect the world, so who knows.
Highly doubt about Luthor at this point, considering he's in a prison atm, but it would be cool. I hope they are interested in showing lanterns lore which is fun and got a lot to offer in terms of stories.
On July 27 2017 23:21 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Aquaman looks badass :O
Any weird ideas who is standing in front of Alfred in the end? First impression it is Sups or Green Lantern (not human). But I wanna bet for Saint Walker, because of HOPE was mentioned by Alfred.
P.S. Few days ago touched "Watchmen" movie, and still impressed how good it was o.o hope they gonna touch multiverse at some point
Steel Superman or Lex Luthor are my guesses. Both showed up at different times when Supes was missing/dead.
And they are working on moving past the Snyder-verse. Introducing Flash: Flashpoint is a guarantee that they want to move past what Snyder laid out and go in the direction Geoff Johns and DC.
Flashpoint would be awesome, at least animated movie was very good.
Steel Superman? Not sure it is time to present different character, I think they are following Superman Reborn script so it's a bit early.
At this point in the DCEU, they can do pretty much anything they want. They're gonna Flashpoint it and redo it anyway. Snyder-verse didn't work. As Feige did with Marvel and Disney, Johns will do with DC and WB.
I'm hoping it's Lex Luthor in his new suit. THAT would be awesome. In Superman Reborn, he donned a fake Supes body and went to protect the world, so who knows.
Highly doubt about Luthor at this point, considering he's in a prison atm, but it would be cool. I hope they are interested in showing lanterns lore which is fun and got a lot to offer in terms of stories.
If you think Luthor is going to remain in prison for very long, at any point, ever, in the DC, you've gotta read some more comics. If they were going to introduce GL, they wouldn't be sitting on this, and the floor wouldn't have been shaking when he walked in. Clark would fly/hover. So would GL.
On July 27 2017 23:21 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Aquaman looks badass :O
Any weird ideas who is standing in front of Alfred in the end? First impression it is Sups or Green Lantern (not human). But I wanna bet for Saint Walker, because of HOPE was mentioned by Alfred.
P.S. Few days ago touched "Watchmen" movie, and still impressed how good it was o.o hope they gonna touch multiverse at some point
Steel Superman or Lex Luthor are my guesses. Both showed up at different times when Supes was missing/dead.
And they are working on moving past the Snyder-verse. Introducing Flash: Flashpoint is a guarantee that they want to move past what Snyder laid out and go in the direction Geoff Johns and DC.
Flashpoint would be awesome, at least animated movie was very good.
Steel Superman? Not sure it is time to present different character, I think they are following Superman Reborn script so it's a bit early.
At this point in the DCEU, they can do pretty much anything they want. They're gonna Flashpoint it and redo it anyway. Snyder-verse didn't work. As Feige did with Marvel and Disney, Johns will do with DC and WB.
I'm hoping it's Lex Luthor in his new suit. THAT would be awesome. In Superman Reborn, he donned a fake Supes body and went to protect the world, so who knows.
Highly doubt about Luthor at this point, considering he's in a prison atm, but it would be cool. I hope they are interested in showing lanterns lore which is fun and got a lot to offer in terms of stories.
If you think Luthor is going to remain in prison for very long, at any point, ever, in the DC, you've gotta read some more comics. If they were going to introduce GL, they wouldn't be sitting on this, and the floor wouldn't have been shaking when he walked in. Clark would fly/hover. So would GL.
But actors for Hal Jordan/John Stewart remains unknown, so it should be...Abin Sur? Highly doubt about Killawog or Sinestro. Basicly anyone except human GL's.
Point about Luthor. Current Lex is far from comic version - I think u've noticed Who knows what they gonna do with such villain. And also we know Steppenwolf is a villain in a Justice League movie.
Batman Notes shared set photos of two new reshoot sites in the United Kingdom including Southill Estate in Bedfordshire. The aesthetic of the sprawling property is very reminiscent of the Wayne Manor causing fans to immediately assume that it is a stand-in for the family-owned mansion. Further fueling the speculations is the recent spotting of Affleck in the area.
The second location is the brick covered Shorts Building where the crew was snapped while hard at work in setting up the place for scheduled filming. On top of the structure’s front doorway, there is a sign that reads “Lakeview Apartments” which could mean that one of the members of the League is living in the property, possibly Barry Allen.
Prior to filming in the two new aforementioned venues, shooting supposedly took/is taking place at the Southill Lake and Woods and given the site’s water access, it could potentially be for new Aquaman close-up shots. Although, it is important to note that since the lake is part of the massive lot where the earlier mentioned manor in Southill Park is located, the scenes being shot may be connected to Bruce.
This massive additional work is reportedly causing some problems at Warner Bros. On top of the recently controversial Cavill mustache kerfuffle due to the actor’s filming conflict with Paramount’s Mission: Impossible 6, the extended reshoots being done on Justice League is costing the film studio an extra $25 million – a significantly high price compared to the usual backup budget reshoots have for just $10 million.
Provided that the Whedon reshoots are being done on location instead of just on a closed-off set, it is not difficult to imagine Justice League‘s budget growing rapidly. That said, the visuals that these sites offer seem to add to the visual appeal of the film with its sweeping landscape and realistic set pieces.
So Snyder has basically destroyed an entire section of the DC universe. Thanks Warner Bros.
Reshoots are a normal part of any major film: fixing everything from continuity errors to how certain scenes fundamentally played out. Famously, Ben Kingsley went into reshoots for Iron Man 3 believing that the studio was going to make them reshoot the Mandarin twist ending into something more in line with the comic books. Justice League’s final round of reshoots, which evidently cost upwards of $25 million, were anything but typical. They evidently overhauled the entire film: making sweeping change to the main characters, fundamentally altering the tone and cutting out lead-ins to the now-canceled Justice League Part 2.
By all accounts, Joss Whedon shot a completely different movie from the one that Zack Snyder originally made. And even though the new trailers – which were supposed to reflect and sell these changes to the movie-going public – were unabashedly terrible, the film’s new direction and Whedon’s involvement were enough to make fans of the franchise hopeful for an improvement over the series’ shaky foundations.
Now a week out from the film’s release, people have seen the movie. And when the social media embargo – NOT the review embargo – finally lifted, the results were surprisingly positive. Rather than the deluge of negative press that many anticipated leading into the Frankensteined blockbuster, most praised it for the demonstrable improvements that it made compared to its predecessors.
Thank God for small miracles, I guess.
Looking through the fresh perspectives on the upcoming blockbuster, most reactions appear to be mixed. While not on par with The Avengers – or even Wonder Woman, for that matter – most called it a fun, if flawed, movie that was in line with most bloated, studio-driven, multi-million dollar blockbusters. Paul Shirley of Joblo.com called it “a fun, bumpy ride that succeeds in character, but fails in narrative. It’s a mixed bag of execution that’s saved by the actors, who rise above the shortcomings to deliver an engaging, funny and hopeful, yet flawed, entry to the DCEU.”
Erik Davis of Fandango said that it “is better than BvS and #SuicideSquad – it’s lean, mean & packed w/ superhero action. I dug most of its lighter moments & I think it has one of the best action sequences ever in a DCEU movie. And of course Wonder Woman steals the show.” Haleigh Foutch of Collider said that the movie is “solid entertainment despite some problems. They pulled off a strange alchemy that works better than it should. The story is lacking, but the League is great and it’s a blast to watch them in action together. Wonder Woman is clutch, obvi.”
More and more critics have similarly weighed in, mostly to the same end. The movie is perfectly alright. It’s better than its terribly reviewed forebears. The characters, and especially Wonder Woman, work well in it. It’s lighter and funnier than previous entries, although the story, direction, villain and special effects are a mixed, less-than-functional bag.
It appears, at least preliminarily, that the movie won’t go down as the titanic mess than most had assumed it was going to be. It’s important to note, however, that this is just the social media embargo, not the full review embargo. It allows those rare few who have seen it in advance to give condensed, initial impressions (often in less than 140 characters). These are not full reviews, detailed opinions nor ringing endorsements. They roughly sketch out “it could have been worse” and “this might not tank the DCEU” across social media sites like Facebook and Twitter.
The rest of us won’t have to wait long to find out how good (or bad) the movie is for ourselves. Justice League opens next week.
I didn't know this ? I really liked Man of Steel (also B v S, even if it had flaw) they really are going to reboot everything... man... also I don't like these reshot, DC was perfect with its dark tones...
the movie was a letdown. no real substance to it. i mean I get that superhero movies don't have to have the best plot, but how everything was construed together felt cheap. it basically felt like a superhero photoshoot and the villain was there to make them look good.
Haven't seen the movie yet but given that they have to introduce 3 new superheroes, make them fight together, probably reintroduce superman somewhere along the way and build up a villain out of nowhere im going to go ahead and claim that this movie is probably too fast paced?
On November 17 2017 21:16 Kipsate wrote: Haven't seen the movie yet but given that they have to introduce 3 new superheroes, make them fight together, probably reintroduce superman somewhere along the way and build up a villain out of nowhere im going to go ahead and claim that this movie is probably too fast paced?
Quite the opposite. The first half of the movie felt a bit slow because the entire half is spent getting the team together and introducing the new members.
In between, there are some shots of the bad guy appearing and doing his thing. I thought the first half was alright, no complaints.
The second half was essentially 3 drawn out scenes: 1) save some ppl and find this movie's object with unimaginable power 2) resurrect superman 3) fight bad guy
With some minor talking in between ofc, but that's how I would sum up the 2nd half.
It was an alright movie. What annoyed me, and what will always be the problem of the DCEU, is that Superman saves the day again. That's the problem with having a completely OP superhero and some low-tier helpers. I was kinda hoping he'd stay dead for this movie and the other members of Justice league could get some success, but nope. Need Superman.
Worth a watch imo. Some more jokes than usual, which I like. Also Gal Gadot is hot and they gave her a shorter skirt.
Great movie if you're a fan, decent of you're not.
Yea, lots of new characters should be introduced slowly. Some random girl in audience asked "Is that a terminator?" talking about Cyborg. 2 hours is probably not enought to describe everything properly.
- Sups kicking ass so hard fighting entire 5 members of JL and beating em (especially those slow mo vs Flash) - Him saving the day again in a main fight - Lots of easter eggs, in after credit scene as well - Deathstroke confirmed - Some fun interactions between Momoa's Aquaman and the rest of the team
I guess it worth watching, characters chemistry looks cool, Gadot is hot as hell! Hope Affleck stays as Bats.
Who was the Green Lantern who died in a short war sequence? And why did they cut Batman - Super Girl scene they showed in tailer?
Overall I like darker motives as well, as it used to be in BvS and Watchmen, but most people prefers pink poney style with dumb jokes as Marvel loves to do, and most of people has no clue about the lore so they probably gonna flame the movie no matter what
IMO, Watchmen was a good movie because it was still a character focused story, despite the dark and serious tone.
DC-verse has flopped because they're so rushed to getting to the action that all the character is completely ignored. Man of Steel, Superman was great, Clark Kent was non-existent. BvS tried to do the whole The Dark Knight Returns without the background context. Suicide Squad just tossed characters into fights constantly.
Justice League is the same deal, too much rush to get to the ensemble cast without investing in the characters first.
On the opposite side, Marvel has too much hero character focus, and doesn't build up the villain tension or action well enough.
Probably why Wonder Woman was one of the better superhero movies to come out. Character focus, good villain buildup, and a proper villain showdown at the climax (despite moustache).
Average movie. It was exciting to watch batman, + Show Spoiler +
superman
, wonder, flash etc together, a kid's dream coming true. But other than that, it's an average action movie. A lot of one liner completly outdated or out of place.
, we then have a plan on aquaman's face saying "ALRIIIIGHT". Seriously ? It's not funny, it's not cool, it's just ridiculous and made me uncomfortable.
The story is meh. I'm a huge fan of superheroes movies, i'm not getting tired of it. I loves MoS and BvS despite some flaws. I'm not into the marvel/DC war. It's not a bad movie, I enjoyed it. But I won't watch it again I think. Maybe if a 3 hours version comes out.
That's my opinion, i'm just a random guy and not a pro reviewer or anything.
Dark for the sake of being dark doesn't work. It feels too much like some 20-year old kid's idea of maturity. Adding some lame jokes to mimic Marvel results in a confused mess that doesn't know which audience to target.
i enjoyed the movie but maybe it was due to the fact i was able to watch it in london's BFI IMAX which was super nice. my wife's cousin who lives in britain tho didnt really like it. what can I say, each to his own, id rate it a 6 or 7 out of 10.
As I said Snyder has destroyed the DC universe. Why the fuck would they give him a directing contract after the shitshow that was Watchmen and Sucker Punch.
On November 23 2017 06:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: As I said Snyder has destroyed the DC universe. Why the fuck would they give him a directing contract after the shitshow that was Watchmen and Sucker Punch.
On November 23 2017 06:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: As I said Snyder has destroyed the DC universe. Why the fuck would they give him a directing contract after the shitshow that was Watchmen and Sucker Punch.
Watchmen was decent.
He sucks at writing. He is good at cinematography. His best works come when he is merely following a script.
On November 23 2017 06:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: As I said Snyder has destroyed the DC universe. Why the fuck would they give him a directing contract after the shitshow that was Watchmen and Sucker Punch.
Yeah, for some reason Watchmen got a bad rep, despite being easily one of the best superhero movies. I mean, aside from that awkward sex Scene with the unfitting music i don't know what there is to hate about it.
plus its like whats the.goddam point of.the league when superman is the only relevent superhero powerwise. They had a lazy lame fight in the first avengers but it put everyone on an equal lower level effectively. I went out of.the theater wondering what the point of anyone.else was. Just an rushed mess and a waste of great material.
I have mixed feelings on the Watchmen movie. I liked almost all of it except for when Snyder totally Snydered all over that sex scene. But then I remember that amazing opening credits, which does almost as much story telling as the entire movie.
I’ll see Justice League when comes out on demand. I loved Wonder Woman, but it sounds like this movie has none of the Patty Jenkins charm. Whoever is in charge at WB productions clearly is confused why heroes like Superman have been selling comics for nearly a century.
Overall, I thought Justice League was pretty good. I'd recommend seeing it, although I'm not raving about it. I liked it more than most other DC movies, but I liked it less than Wonder Woman and most Marvel movies. Spoilers ahead!
I thought it started off a little slow, but considering the movie had to introduce Aquaman and Cyborg and The Flash, I was okay with that. I liked the backstories and the tie-ins, although I thought that some of the humor from Batman, Superman, and Cyborg sounded forced (e.g., when Superman and Cyborg were giggling on the ground after the cube explosion). I thought Flash's humor and awkwardness was really on point though. I don't like how Superman was faster than Flash (shown when they saved the Russian families), and I really don't like how the fight plan was basically "Buy time for Superman to come around, then Superman wins at everything". The other heroes were really useless compared to Superman in the fight with Steppenwolf, and Superman came off as utterly invincible both during the resurrection fight and during the final battle, whereas in the Avengers you see a fairer distribution of work and assistance from Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, etc. Marvel does a better job of having multiple team members pulling their own weight. The only purpose of the non-Superman heroes (except Cyborg) was to resurrect Superman for the final fight, although I liked Wonder Woman's scene where she stopped the human bombers at the beginning of the movie. Cyborg's abilities were really useful too throughout the movie, which was nice, and I appreciated his "Boo yah" tagline at the end (and the fist bump with Flash). I want to see a Cyborg movie and a Flash movie.
I think the movie ended at an interesting point, with an obvious nod towards having more members (Green Lantern? Martian Manhunter?) in the mansion. The credits teaser reveals Lex Luthor and Deathstroke about to create an Injustice League or some other anti-JL team, which could be pretty interesting (especially if they can tie in The Joker or some other already-existing villains or anti-heroes, perhaps from Suicide Squad or previous DC movies). This direction confuses me a bit, though, because Steppenwolf ended up being the only villain in this movie, despite repeatedly mentioning how he wanted to unleash his mother or the power of his mother from the cubes (which never really happened; the crisis was completely averted), as well as name-dropping Darkseid. I'm not a comic book buff, so I'm confused as to why some big villains or potential disasters were mentioned in JL1 yet apparently won't exist in either JL1 or JL2.
I just watched Superman vs. Batman after Justice League, and it blows my fucking mind + Show Spoiler +
just how weakened Wonder Woman felt after kind of standing up a bit to Doomsday. I mean fuck, Superman lays out the WHOLE fucking team like they're trash in Justice League, but in SvB shes actually useful and competent.
Superman is by far the worst part of Justice League, I'd have to have given it to Steppenwulf for his hideous look and devoid-of-interest motivations and general existence, but nothing ruins a TEAM movie like having a TEAM be rendered invalid by a single member of said team.
Flash was really good, loved Ezra Miller. Gal Gadot still charming as Wonder Woman, Aquaman was a little underdeveloped, but the weird Bro-sona he had was at least interesting. If he had short hair and armor the color of his traditional suit he'd have been really good for Aquaman.
So, overall:
Positives: the heroes. Except for Superman and Cyborg. They're solid takes on the Justice League (still really enjoy Batfleck) and their personalities are all interesting and unique and it works for a fun dynamic between them all.
Negatives: Superman. Steppenwulf. Ugly visuals (LOOKIN' AT YOU BROODY MOODY CYBORG). Super rushed story.
They really should commit to the Flashpoint hard-reboot ASAP so we can get better movies. Hope they find a way to keep Wonderwoman and Batfleck mostly the same though.
On November 27 2017 12:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Overall, I thought Justice League was pretty good. I'd recommend seeing it, although I'm not raving about it. I liked it more than most other DC movies, but I liked it less than Wonder Woman and most Marvel movies. Spoilers ahead!
I thought it started off a little slow, but considering the movie had to introduce Aquaman and Cyborg and The Flash, I was okay with that. I liked the backstories and the tie-ins, although I thought that some of the humor from Batman, Superman, and Cyborg sounded forced (e.g., when Superman and Cyborg were giggling on the ground after the cube explosion). I thought Flash's humor and awkwardness was really on point though. I don't like how Superman was faster than Flash (shown when they saved the Russian families), and I really don't like how the fight plan was basically "Buy time for Superman to come around, then Superman wins at everything". The other heroes were really useless compared to Superman in the fight with Steppenwolf, and Superman came off as utterly invincible both during the resurrection fight and during the final battle, whereas in the Avengers you see a fairer distribution of work and assistance from Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, etc. Marvel does a better job of having multiple team members pulling their own weight. The only purpose of the non-Superman heroes (except Cyborg) was to resurrect Superman for the final fight, although I liked Wonder Woman's scene where she stopped the human bombers at the beginning of the movie. Cyborg's abilities were really useful too throughout the movie, which was nice, and I appreciated his "Boo yah" tagline at the end (and the fist bump with Flash). I want to see a Cyborg movie and a Flash movie.
I think the movie ended at an interesting point, with an obvious nod towards having more members (Green Lantern? Martian Manhunter?) in the mansion. The credits teaser reveals Lex Luthor and Deathstroke about to create an Injustice League or some other anti-JL team, which could be pretty interesting (especially if they can tie in The Joker or some other already-existing villains or anti-heroes, perhaps from Suicide Squad or previous DC movies). This direction confuses me a bit, though, because Steppenwolf ended up being the only villain in this movie, despite repeatedly mentioning how he wanted to unleash his mother or the power of his mother from the cubes (which never really happened; the crisis was completely averted), as well as name-dropping Darkseid. I'm not a comic book buff, so I'm confused as to why some big villains or potential disasters were mentioned in JL1 yet apparently won't exist in either JL1 or JL2.
From my understanding, a JL2 was initially planned but has since been scrapped/delayed. It's hard to speculate about future movies based on the current one if their plan has changed. We'll see if the post-credits scene ever leads to something, I hope so.
I like how people complain about Sups power level lol. You guys should check comics at least before whining. And even recent animated movies about JL, Sups is the big gun for JL anytime. WW, Cyborg and Aquaman are not on the same level with Sups in toe to toe fight, on the other hand Atomic Skull, Metallo or even Deathstroke alone would match Sups with much higher chances, just know your universe stuff.
Oh yea and Steppenwold is not even the scariest thing from Apocalypse
We know sups is on such a high lower level were just saying it makes everything pointless in a movie to spend limited time on characters that are illrelevant to the story.
Imagine the same movie but no superman and tell me it makes less sense.
Well those characters are not irrelevant, they makes the core of JL (alongside with Martian, GL and Shazam). They put lots of efforts to bring back the most powerful character in league.
I can imagine the same movie without sups, that's not a problem. The main problem with such movie is a timing, it's hard to describe properly teambuilding + every each character personality in 2 hours. I'd say 3 hours would be enough, or at least 2,5. I'd like to see directors cut tho
Movie wasn't as bad as I feared it would be from all the reddit posts. I was a little disappointed in the Flash, just felt like he could have been used more. Maybe this is the comics and accurate, but I disliked how scared he was right before the fighting began how he was saying "I can't do this." Again it might be accurate to the comics but I disliked it.
I enjoyed it and while it wasn't omg amazing, it wasn't terrible either.
Thats not the point of relevence. The movie spends most of its time introducing and building up a bunch of characters that are not necessary. Superman can just do everything and doesn't need anyone else. He doesn't need the justice league to beat the big bad. They can all go home and just leave sups to do everything.
The same movie without sups is fundamentally different and makes sense.
If you're considering Steppenwolf as a big bad - yea, sure. But with the same logic u can make every JL movie only with Sups, because he doesn't need anyone else.
On November 28 2017 02:44 Dav1oN wrote: Well those characters are not irrelevant, they makes the core of JL (alongside with Martian, GL and Shazam). They put lots of efforts to bring back the most powerful character in league.
I can imagine the same movie without sups, that's not a problem. The main problem with such movie is a timing, it's hard to describe properly teambuilding + every each character personality in 2 hours. I'd say 3 hours would be enough, or at least 2,5. I'd like to see directors cut tho
Yeah, real great team there, they exist to bring back to life their one actually useful teammate.
Its hard to build a team when 80% of the team is virtually useless.
I'd also like to mention that this, "but comics" mentality is dumb and I keep hearing it from DC fans as if it justifies these mediocre/terrible movies, I thought I watched the Justice League MOVIE not the Justice League comic.
The lack of actual hard work and time that DC has put into their universe building is bad, but one nice thing about Superheroes is that we already kinda know enough to not really NEED extended backstories and movies about them (I mean, look at Spiderman: Homecoming!). That being said, when DC kinda probably needed their Aquaman movie. And maybe some like, color for his suit/armor/Atlantis.
On November 28 2017 05:26 Dav1oN wrote: If you're considering Steppenwolf as a big bad - yea, sure. But with the same logic u can make every JL movie only with Sups, because he doesn't need anyone else.
That's the issue that many of us have with the movie. For me, I was hoping it would be the DC equivalent of The Avengers, in the sense that now there's a cool team of heroes who can work together and achieve what the individual could not. But it's not that, because the Avengers have multiple heroes who actually pull their own weight (Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, etc.). This movie formed the Justice League, sure, but it also cemented the idea that the Justice League is 99% Superman and 1% other-"heroes"-making-sure-Superman-doesn't-die.
The movie was bad and Snyder/ Tsukihara/ WB should feel bad. The problem with this movie is everything. Steppenwolf was too big of a villain to use on forming the JLA. Cyborg and Flash needed more time as heroes. Batman is too old to be fighting Steppenwolf and soon Darkseid (doubt it with the way this film bombed), and Supes should have never been killed.
Everything about the DCEU is shit. Batman was the one bright spot and they fucked that up. Superman could have been great, but they fucked that up. This movie just crushed every little thing I had left in terms of hope for DC catching up to Marvel. back to waiting for Black Panther and possibly Aquaman. Hope Wan added some fucking color that pops instead of Edgar Allen Poe color pallet.
On November 28 2017 05:26 Dav1oN wrote: If you're considering Steppenwolf as a big bad - yea, sure. But with the same logic u can make every JL movie only with Sups, because he doesn't need anyone else.
That's the issue that many of us have with the movie. For me, I was hoping it would be the DC equivalent of The Avengers, in the sense that now there's a cool team of heroes who can work together and achieve what the individual could not. But it's not that, because the Avengers have multiple heroes who actually pull their own weight (Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, etc.). This movie formed the Justice League, sure, but it also cemented the idea that the Justice League is 99% Superman and 1% other-"heroes"-making-sure-Superman-doesn't-die.
That's why I enjoyed X-Men type comics over the JLA back in the 90s. JLA is all about Batman figuring out a way to get rid of the bad guy's kryptonite and Supes cleaning up afterwards.
If at first your movie studio doesn’t succeed, restructure and restructure again. After Justice League received subpar reviews and underwhelming box office returns, Warner Bros. is looking to shake-up its DC Films division—again. Per Variety, DC Films co-head and producer Jon Berg will step down, and the studio is considering bringing DC’s film operations closer to Warner Bros. proper.
The establishment of a “DC Films” with film producer Berg and DC Comics veteran Geoff Johns as co-heads came after the failure of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and was WB’s attempt to emulate Marvel Studios and their president Kevin Feige, who is not only an experienced film producer but has an encyclopedic knowledge of Marvel comics. Although the first film with this pair in charge, Wonder Woman, was undoubtedly a success, the same couldn’t be said for Justice League. Johns is expected to stay on in at least an advisory capacity.
Warner Bros. is also considering bringing its DC films operation under the same umbrella as their other studios. Although Marvel Studios is a subsidiary of Walt Disney Studios, it generally operates independently—Fox and Sony, on the other hand, are more directly hands on with their X-Men and Spider-Man franchises, respectively. A move from WB would probably resemble Fox and Sony more so than Disney.
Justice League received a 40% score on Rotten Tomatoes (our review here ) and grossed $570.3 million worldwide in three weeks; in comparison, the first Avengers film made up to $1.5 billion in the same amount of time. Production problems plagued Justice League—already coming off of a lambasted Batman v Superman, WB executives were quite skittish about the future of the franchise. According to a large spread by The Wrap, the changing of hands from Zack Snyder to Avengers writer-director Joss Whedon, clashing visions and studio interference and an overall rushed production led to a “Frankenstein” (although really, it’s Frankenstein’s Monster) of a film.
A replacement for Berg will be announced sometime soon. The next DC movie will be Aquaman directed by James Wan (The Conjuring, Furious 7) for a release date of Dec. 21, 2018.
The only thing to do is start everything from scratch, total reset. Like Marvel has done with the Spider Man films 3 times. Snyder has managed to reduce an entire universe to trash, from Nolan to Snyder is pure BS. Hell if Sony can back the brinks truck up and get Nolan back and then you could have Jenkins, Nolan, and Whedon at the helm of the DC universe.
New reports say that Zack Snyder was fired from Justice League, months before he publicly shared that he was no longer involved with the project.
Entertainment reporter Josh Dickey is leaving the industry, and tweeted a series of links with some context about his time there. One of his claims was that Snyder didn’t leave the project voluntarily, but was instead fired from the film, according to unnamed sources.
Collider is backing up Dickey’s tweet, reporting that Warner Bros. fired Snyder in January or February 2017 — months before Snyder announced he was stepping away from the project to deal with the personal matters after the death of his daughter.
“I’d heard similar things from separate sources over the last year as well,” Collider’s Matt Goldberg wrote. “I also heard that Snyder’s rough-cut of the movie was ‘unwatchable’ (a word that jumped out at me because it’s rare you hear two separate sources use the exact same adjective). Of course, even if that’s true, there’s obviously more to the story since rough cuts can be fixed up with reshoots, rewrites, etc.”
The sensitive nature of Snyder’s family tragedy played a part in keeping this story from being reported, according to some, but it also seems true that no one was willing to go on the record to confirm or deny whether Snyder left or was fired.
Goldberg and Dickey’s reporting supports other developments that were happening at Warner Bros. at the time; developments that, in hindsight, foreshadowed Snyder’s work on future movies. In May 2016, just a few months after the disastrous release of Batman v Superman, Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara removed Silverman as a supervisor overlooking the DC Comics film slate. The Wrap reported that Tsujihara was investing heavily in Warner Bros.’ DC Comics brand, and wanted films with better critical reception.
“It’s no secret the studio wanted better critical reception on the DC properties,” sources told The Wrap.
The Wrap later reported that executives at Warner Bros. first raised major concerns over Snyder’s work in mid-2016, after the release of Batman v Superman. Those same executives pleaded with Silverman, who worked with Snyder on 300, to remove him from Justice League and give the project to someone else. Silverman refused. Less than a year later, in December 2016, Silverman was ousted from the company.
Variety reported that company executives were not happy with the performances of other DCEU films, including Suicide Squad, which Silverman oversaw. It was only a few months after, based on Dickey’s and Goldberg’s reports, that Snyder was also fired from the production.
We’ve reached out to Warner Bros. for comment. The company has spoken on Snyder’s future involvement with the DC films in the past.
“Zack Snyder is not currently scheduled to direct a DC film, but he is serving as a producer or executive producer on upcoming DC pictures such as Wonder Woman 2 and Aquaman,” Warner Bros. told Polygon in a previous statement.
On February 23 2018 10:44 Plansix wrote: Damn, that with the story that Snyder was let go from Justice League it being a mess, I think it is safe to say that DC movies are fucked.
I don't think they ever really had a chance. Failing to capitalize on the batman trilogy and then trying to play catch up with the marvel train without the Disney empire behind it. Disney buying Star wars and getting Industrial light and magic alongside skywalker sound for increasing the special effects muscle.
Also they for some ungodly reason never followed the Marvel example of having one single universe and keeping consistency between all their properties as job 1. The CWTU (CW television universe) is pumping out 5 hours of content a week yet can do nothing to help their movies.
So I finally saw this, after not wanting to see it in theatres after the fiasco that was Batman vs Superman, I saw it on my own terms outside the theatre and you know what? It wasn't THAT bad.
I did have a few problems with it, most of the same as other folks, but it was overall a much better experience than Man of Steel OR Batman vs Superman.
In general, I'd say this film was just a notch below Wonder Woman and decent overall.
Full review here. W/ Spoilers (are we still spoiling stuff this far along?)+ Show Spoiler +
Oh god, I can't imagine HOW a Legion of Doom movie starring the current Lex Luthor CAN POSSIBLY BE GOOD! I hope to god they recast this guy before it becomes a massive meme factory.
Looks like two of the leading stars have decided they have better things to do than deal with WB's internal “vision” struggles over the DC universe. And less than great director choices(with the exception of WW)
Some light rumors of Michael B Jordan being cast as Supes. WB is doing their best to sabotage and ruin DC characters. WB execs need to be fired and the whole company restructured. This is embarrassing.
Warners had been trying to enlist Cavill, who most recently co-starred in Mission: Impossible — Fallout, for a Superman cameo in Shazam!, which stars Zachary Levi and will bow April 5. But contract talks between Cavill's WME reps and Warners broke down, and the door is now closing on other potential Superman appearances.
That's because the studio has shifted its focus to a Supergirl movie, which will be an origin story featuring a teen superheroine. This effectively removes an actor of Cavill's age from the storyline's equation given that Superman, aka Kal-El, would be an infant, according to DC lore.
Furthermore, Warners isn't likely to make a solo Superman film for at least several years, according to another source. "Superman is like James Bond, and after a certain run you have to look at new actors," says a studio source. As such, Cavill will join Ben Affleck, who isn't expected to reprise his role for director Matt Reeves' forthcoming Batman stand-alone film, as a hero on the way out.
"We have a great relationship and great respect for Henry Cavill that continues to remain unchanged. Additionally we have made no current decisions regarding any upcoming Superman films," read a statement from a Warner Bros. spokesperson after the initial publication of this story.
A Warners source says the Shazam! deal fell apart because of scheduling conflicts. And that is backed up by the fact that Cavill recently signed on to star in the Netflix series The Witcher. However, another source says that the Witcher commitment came after the Warners impasse, suggesting a change in Warners' strategy.
"There's a recognition that some parts of the previous movies didn't work," says the studio insider. Another source says Warners is trying to hit a "reset" button with the DC universe, steering its ship slowly into another direction.
While Affleck and Cavill are segueing out, others who were seen together onscreen in Justice League are carrying forward. Gal Gadot is returning for Wonder Woman 1984, to hit theaters in November 2019. Jason Momoa headlines a solo Aquaman movie this December. And Ezra Miller remains on board to star in a Flash movie, which is due to shoot in early 2019.
Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara and chairman of Warner Bros. Pictures Group Toby Emmerich are looking to reinvigorate the studio's DC Universe, which is still playing second fiddle to the Marvel Universe in terms of box office and critical acclaim. Just six years ago, when The Dark Knight Rises closed out the Christopher Nolan trilogy, DC was the superhero team with the mojo. But so far, only Patty Jenkins’ Wonder Woman spinoff has lived up to the promise of the franchise.
What Warners hasn't done is wiped the slate clean in one fell swoop, something that is nigh impossible to do given the years of planning that goes into these films. When asked about the studio Sept. 6 at an investor conference, new WarnerMedia CEO John Stankey said, "Hats off to Kevin and Toby and their team." But he also took a shot at DC. "Some of our franchises, in particular at DC, we all think we can do better."
On September 13 2018 04:28 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Some light rumors of Michael B Jordan being cast as Supes. WB is doing their best to sabotage and ruin DC characters. WB execs need to be fired and the whole company restructured. This is embarrassing.
I mean, I would watch a Michael B. Jordan Superman movie for the same reason I would watch a Nick Cage Superman movie, it would be amazing and a PR train wreck. But much like the comics, DC doesn’t have a clear vision for what they want out of the movies and it shows.
The issue with the DCEU has been the same issue thats plauged the DC movies for decades and decades. Its always considered "just another movie" to a movie studio that sprawls in so many different kinds of movies. Marvel works beacuse marvel studios just does the marvel movies and keeps continuity as the writ of god. DC can't keep origin stories stright even when pretending that they are all in the same universe.
Just look at wonder woman and Justice league. Justice league ret cons WW's origin story and no one expects them to do any different. Infinity war had its concepts referenced constantly and consistently throughout movies for years and years setting up for the movie.
Why don't they just make MoS 2 with Cavill and introduce Supergirl in the same film, with the villain Brainiac as the villain and throw in Cyborg for the benefit that he will never get a solo film as it is too late.
Only problem I could see with that is that 2 of the 6 JL members some would wonder where the other 4 are as they would not be AWOL in such a fight.
Marvel gets away with it fairly well but brainiac might be a little too high profile of a villain for that. Having super girl go to Themescara at the end would tie in nicely with a WW sequel, or would if they weren't wholly unconectable with the rest of the world.
Now TMZ is reporting... If true you think WB would be pushing for a new Superman script since they have already near completion for Batman and Flash. Unless they are unable to do 3 things at once. The Witch is already well into production since Cavill could not do the cameo in Shazam. Fuck it get the Flash as a cameo.
We need Nolan back.
The social media firestorm over Henry Cavill's fate in the next installment of 'Superman' turns out to be an invented conflict ... TMZ has learned.
Sources in the know tell TMZ, there's no real discussion over the main role because there's no active 'Superman' project. It's true ... Cavill has felt he was underpaid for the role and that's an issue, as is what some say was an underwhelming performance.
We're told if and when the next 'Superman' project is greenlit, Cavill along with others would be in play. If, for example, a director felt he was the perfect guy for the role, he could end up with another cape assuming he and the studio could come to terms.
Cavill posted a video Wednesday insinuating the door is not closed.
The whole brouhaha started when Cavill turned down a cameo in "Shazam!" over money, and then accepted a Netflix deal for "The Witcher." Apparently, some people thought he moved on from 'Superman,' but the fact is there's no conflict ... because up to this point there's no movie project.
Yes, more of Nolan’s overly conservative and dower take on super heroes, trying to root these god like figures in realism. Somehow that will involve more dead wives or girlfriends, because he needs to keep that streak going.
Nolans "dark gritty realism" also only worked beacuse there was no super powers in his superhero movies, all his characters had to be kayfabe acceptable humans. El santo is a generic but consistent source of hope and zach snyder ruined that. You need some level of variety in your movie universe if you want it to stay fresh or interesting.
the CW television universe is really legit for these reasons. The arrow is obviously the batman and the flash is supermanish but at the least they're different in tone.
I mean I don't know much about that I don't want the CW much.
No matter who gets named Superman there is usually a sizeable and vocal disagreement with the choice. There was opposition to Christopher Reeve being given the role of Superman. I think in Superman : The Movie Reeve was #4 on promo billing thingie. i think it was Brando, Hackman, and whoever played the newspaper boss guy... then Reeve.
i think Christopher Reeve is the perfect Superman... but ... there were plenty of dissenting voices.
as far as the black supermen topic ... it goes to Muhammad Ali... no acting required... he is the black superman. + Show Spoiler +
faster than a speeding bullet? ppfffft. this Jordan guy can't " float like a butterfly and sting like a bee ".
seeing as we've already had a real black superman.. what's the big deal about having a fake one? today's real black superman is probably Daniel Cormier.
Looks like the post Snyder era for DC is going very well:
Warner Bros.' Aquaman continued to rule the holiday box office Christmas Eve, earning $11.2 million from 4,125 theaters in North America and swimming past the $500 million mark globally.
The DC superhero pic, starring Jason Momoa in the titular role, debuted domestically over the weekend to $67.4 million, easily enough to beat Christmas competitors Mary Poppins Returns and Bumblebee. Aquaman began opening mid-December overseas, where it has earned north of $420 million to date. Its domestic total through Monday is $79 million, including sneaks.
So this looks like this is the second in a row for WB and DC film that will top 1 billion is box office sales. WB needs to cough up and keep Cavill and Affleck in their respective roles.
Warner Bros.' Aquaman continued to rule the holiday box office Christmas Eve, earning $11.2 million from 4,125 theaters in North America and swimming past the $500 million mark globally.
The DC superhero pic, starring Jason Momoa in the titular role, debuted domestically over the weekend to $67.4 million, easily enough to beat Christmas competitors Mary Poppins Returns and Bumblebee. Aquaman began opening mid-December overseas, where it has earned north of $420 million to date. Its domestic total through Monday is $79 million, including sneaks.
So this looks like this is the second in a row for WB and DC film that will top 1 billion is box office sales. WB needs to cough up and keep Cavill and Affleck in their respective roles.
The second in a row? The last DC movie that hit a billion was TDKR Teen titans broke 50 million which was impressive but justice league didn't crack 700 I'm pretty sure.
DC needs to get over their contempt for the property they're basing the movies off of. They could start by having someone in their movie say justice league.
I liked aquaman. It was three movies of story that they squished into one but instead of it being a problem like other movies they kept the same characters for all the stories so it didn't fall apart. I'm disappointed they didn't have enough faith to make black manta the main enemy so they had to ham up a cliche "forgotten son heir to the throne" storyline that black panther already did in reverse.
It feels like they're burning through content as fast as they can in order to get what they can out of superhero movies before it chrash's. obligatory marval talk I think marvel is doing the same thing but its hard to argue that they need to slow down when they're swinging for a billion dollars a movie.
On December 26 2018 08:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Looks like the post Snyder era for DC is going very well:
Warner Bros.' Aquaman continued to rule the holiday box office Christmas Eve, earning $11.2 million from 4,125 theaters in North America and swimming past the $500 million mark globally.
The DC superhero pic, starring Jason Momoa in the titular role, debuted domestically over the weekend to $67.4 million, easily enough to beat Christmas competitors Mary Poppins Returns and Bumblebee. Aquaman began opening mid-December overseas, where it has earned north of $420 million to date. Its domestic total through Monday is $79 million, including sneaks.
So this looks like this is the second in a row for WB and DC film that will top 1 billion is box office sales. WB needs to cough up and keep Cavill and Affleck in their respective roles.
The second in a row? The last DC movie that hit a billion was TDKR Teen titans broke 50 million which was impressive but justice league didn't crack 700 I'm pretty sure.
DC needs to get over their contempt for the property they're basing the movies off of. They could start by having someone in their movie say justice league.
I liked aquaman. It was three movies of story that they squished into one but instead of it being a problem like other movies they kept the same characters for all the stories so it didn't fall apart. I'm disappointed they didn't have enough faith to make black manta the main enemy so they had to ham up a cliche "forgotten son heir to the throne" storyline that black panther already did in reverse.
It feels like they're burning through content as fast as they can in order to get what they can out of superhero movies before it chrash's. obligatory marval talk I think marvel is doing the same thing but its hard to argue that they need to slow down when they're swinging for a billion dollars a movie.
That was pre Snyder during the Batman golden age of movies. WB made the mistake of not having a detailed timeline even before Nolan decided to make a third film in which to open the world to introduce other members of the Justice League. Prime example, when Bane blows up the stadium guess who was a football player during the game. Victor Stone aka Cyborg. After the film ended they could have started work on the Cyborg move which was connected to the final Nolan batman film, made two Superman films, Wonder Woman, then Flash and Aquaman and so forth.
Pretty sure nolan specifically said he didn't want his movies to be used in any universe. But even if they did what you suggested they'd never get nolan back and they wouldn't be able to do justice league in the end. Nolan took 2 years off after dark knight because he wanted to do inception. By the time he came back tdkr was released the same year as avengers and they were screwed.
I blame the editing for suicide squad more then anything. That and trying to include the joker.
Justice league was an unsalvagable mess I don't think anything could have saved it. I can't image how worse it would have been without the reshoots. It from the very foundations is a failure that makes sky captian and the world of tomorrow a completely understandable venture.
Finally! I won't be surprised if that edition will be much better in comparison to what we saw... And I hope DC realises what kind of a mess they've done, and how the audience loved dark tones of the movie
Check out facebook numbers of comments/likes just in one hour, 99% of them were in support of Ben's Batman. Twitter has almost equal trend
This will be either one 4 hours episode or six 1 hour episodes. Additional budget of ~21 mil of USD to get actor roster back in action to reshoot some parts
I still think the original justice league will remain the worst movie ever made (going by the top gear criteria of the money they had the people involved and the knowledge of the participants) But I'd give this a fresh go
The movie was cursed for so many things and I really can't just bring up any one thing but the hard two hour run time made everything else about the movie worse.
The CW DC universe shouldn't be better then the DC cinematic universe.
JL Apokalips War was amazing indeed, and last few animated movies were also great (Death of the Superman, Red Son etc). Yea, they could do so much more with such talented actors/production...
I wonder if success of Apokalips War has triggered to re-shoot Snyder's Cut eventually, since animated movie took some plot from Snyder's vision.
I remain sceptical about this. I think no amount of reshoots will fix the terrible villain and his motives, the hot mess of CGI in the last part of the film and the horrible portrayal of some of the characters, namely Superman. The underlying problems with the DCU go all the way back to MoS and BvS imo and those were created by Snyder himself when he had full creative freedom. I would love to be proven wrong, but I seriously doubt it. When DC hires someone like Filoni or Feige, they might make a film universe that people will care about.
Rumours it could be 4 hours long? So 2 hours of new content, that is insane! I would be happier if it was 4 x 1 hour specials instead of a whole release though might hype it a bit more.
Still i am hyped i always found most heroes in the DC world were more fun to me personally minus Spiderman xD
I don't think anything can really save this movie. You have the most boring and uninspired villain ever and barely any plot going on. Adding more dark and brooding stuff to it might just make it insufferable.
I always thought the DC universe has more substance to it than the Marvel one though, following comic book lore and some of the Marvel movies that have tried to portray them haha.
I guess the main issue is trying to commercialize a deep plot comic book to the whole world results in what films we get. This Justice League film sums it up, it was just a light hearted family film with some superheroes people know, rather than having a story to it.
On May 23 2020 01:49 Pandemona wrote: I always thought the DC universe has more substance to it than the Marvel one though, following comic book lore and some of the Marvel movies that have tried to portray them haha.
I guess the main issue is trying to commercialize a deep plot comic book to the whole world results in what films we get. This Justice League film sums it up, it was just a light hearted family film with some superheroes people know, rather than having a story to it.
The problem with this is that DC/WB have woken up too late and had to play catch-up not to get left behind on the superhero genre. They went about it completely the wrong way though, doing Justice League before all the characters in it had their own movies and there being no overarching story (like how Marvel was planting tidbits in each movie leading to the Infinity War). If you look at those both franchises it's not that much different, good heroes try to stop OP bad guy from collecting all MacGuffins. The difference here being that Marvel released 10 movies leading to the culmination of the story while DC got out less (6? 7? and most of them just for 2 characters) and none of them were really leading to what happened in the Justice League.
I like that they're trying to go for this darker setting to differentiate themselves from Marvel, but they go about it the wrong way too. They should stop playing it safe and go rated R, doing story-heavy and deeper movies as opposed to Marvel's safe and family-friendly dumb fun. I would totally dig that (and I think most people would appreciate rated R Batman, Constantine etc.), instead they made this whole mess that's lazy and not good at all.
They can still salvage it though. Not with "Snyder Cuts" of shit movies but by rebooting everything. They could start with a series of movies or a big budget TV show based on Flashpoint for example.
Yeah i agree, they left it too late. Crazy that WB waited so long for it and did it this way, you would have thought they would have cashed in on the way Marvel did it and literally copy pasted it but with their super heroes and a different way of telling it.
Oh well, lets hope WB picks up the slack somewhere.
I don't really think a slightly updated and altered version of a movie that was utter garbage will be any good. Unless this cut reworks like 90% of the movie I don't see the point.
Zack Snyder is looking to bring his highly anticipated director's cut of Justice League to the big screen — and his new footage would likely tip the four-hour opus into an R-rating.
"Here's one piece of information nobody knows: The movie is insane and so epic and is probably rated R — that's one thing I think will happen, that it will be an R-rated version, for sure," Snyder tells EW. "We haven't heard from the MPAA, but that's my gut."
Asked for details about what makes the new footage explicit, Snyder reveals, "There's one scene where Batman drops an F-bomb. Cyborg is not too happy with what's going on with his life before he meets the Justice League, and he tends to speak his mind. And Steppenwolf is pretty much just hacking people in half. So [the rating would be due to] violence and profanity, probably both."
Perhaps an even bolder move than a cussing Dark Knight is Snyder pushing for Warner Bros. to release his recut and supersized HBO Max film on the big screen in 2021, at a time when parent company WarnerMedia is trying to boost its nascent streaming service with as much exclusive content as possible. To be clear, a decision on whether to release the film theatrically has not yet been made, and Warner Bros. had no comment for this story. But Snyder has previously stated that adding a big-screen rollout along with the HBO Max release is his preference and now the director suggests steps are being taken in that direction.
"I'm a huge fan and a big supporter of the cinematic experience, and we're already talking about Justice League playing theatrically at the same time it's coming to HBO Max," Snyder says. "So weirdly, it's the reverse [of the trend]."
Warner Bros. is releasing every film on its 2021 slate on HBO Max at the same time as their theatrical release, a move that's drawn considerable criticism from filmmakers such as Christopher Nolan and Judd Apatow. Where did Snyder land on this polarizing issue? "It felt like a pretty bold move and that maybe the implication wasn't 100 percent thought out," he says. "I feel like there's a lot of people panicking during COVID. I hope that, in the end, that's what this was — some sort of knee-jerk to COVID and not some sort of greater move to disrupt the theatrical experience. I thought we were kind of already getting very close to the ideal theatrical window where you still had marketing material out there and you hadn't forgotten about the film by the time it came out on DVD or streaming. I thought we were starting to hone in on that sweet spot, but this kind of throws a monkey wrench in the works."
Snyder was the original director on Justice League and then stepped down from the project. Director Joss Whedon took over the film and shot new footage for the theatrical version released in 2017, which received a negative reception from fans and critics. After a massive fan lobbying campaign to "Release the Snyder Cut," WarnerMedia decided to fund Snyder's vision to rework the film into a limited series for HBO Max at a reported cost of up to $70 million. Snyder's new footage, shot over eight days, includes scenes with the core cast, including Ben Affleck (Batman) and Ray Fisher (Cyborg).
I've been watching it on and off. He abuses slow motion so much it drags the film out longer than it needs to. And some pieces just linger for way too long. It's still dark and moody teenage angst through and through though.
Took me all day yesterday to finish it, but I did. Definitely could not have been released in theaters. Like Velr said, there's 4 different animated movie concepts in this. You have death of superman, flashpoint paradox (albeit tuned way down), hints of death in the family, and then some weird dreamscape idea with Batman. It's all just...weirdly paced and pieced together.
It's probably also his best work to date, if that says anything. He can script some action scenes though.
Edit: Also, WHO THE FUCK SHOOTS IN 4:3?!?!!? That was such a dumb choice.
Luckily the pace picks a bit up after the first hour but for some reason there is another 25 minutes after the climax/resolution that add pretty much nothing and would, if at all, belong in a sequels first act (to then timejump back to see how it came to this). You could EASILY, whiteout any skills, cut this down to 3 hours and it would be plain better. There is also way to much slow motion, it's downright excessive. The sound is also just weird, every time wonderwoman does something there is her theme playing, it's absolutely ridiculous, the first few time it's kinda cool but after the 20ieth time its plain funny/weird.
In general, it's better than what we saw in cinemas. Is it good? No, not really.
If I was watching this in a theater alone it would be the worst movie ever. As it is on streaming it's an unedited slog that doesn't fix some of it's worst mistakes and just has twice the run time to indulge itself.
3 hours would be a lot better will weaton comes off a lot better after this.
Did not expect the RLM crew to like the movie as much as they did. Expectations certainly play a role in this. Love the honesty per usual though.
If I remember correctly the Whedon reshot stuff “only” was 25 million or so 80 million.
As it stands now, it’s evident* DC and Zach has no clear story plan or template for their superhero franchise. Even if Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman were on the level of The Dark Knight, the story arcs and pacing is just a clusterfuck.
I didn't even know this movie was a thing til it came out. It's super long. Is it worth a watch if I was kinda bored with the 2017 movie, but liked most DC animated movies?
On March 23 2021 05:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Well one thing is for certain. Whedon fucked the original way up with his edits and reshoots.
I'm just pissed we will never get a follow up films, because it seemed like there was a plan being formed.
I don't know if we can throw blame Whedon so much. His inclusions look pretty bad looking back but the studio directives of a creative shift away from syders dark tone, the 120 minute run time and to somehow land the plane in less than a year are still pretty insane.
You can see a lot of things that went wrong way before he got into the thing. The wonder woman scene at the start is absolute nonsense that snyder is guilty for. Clearly There was suppose to be a movie break right after that tunnel fight with Steppenwolf, Superman's entire involvement seems like its too much for a single movie on top of everything else, trying to shoehorn cyborg and flash's introduction.
I think it compares a lot more to age of ultron. Age of Ultron had to carry niagras falls level of water for the MCU's later success leading to infinity war and was a poor-mediorcre movie. But even that had an extra 22 minutes for Whedon to work with and all of Disney oweing him for inventing the avengers model.
The snyder cut would be a worse movie-going experience but I think is a far better movie. It somehow makes the theater cut even worse though.
I've said it once and I'll always repeat it. Snyder was the worst possible choice to give the reins to for making a DCEU that could stand up to the MCU.
On March 23 2021 11:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I've said it once and I'll always repeat it. Snyder was the worst possible choice to give the reins to for making a DCEU that could stand up to the MCU.
Like he could be a good ringer like james gun or taika waititi but its bizarre to see him and think "yeah this guy is our jon favreau"
But well.. Snyder fans are orgasming over this cut (and the horrible superman and bvs), so there seems to be a market. This franchise just never should have been for that market .