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I like how people complain about Sups power level lol. You guys should check comics at least before whining. And even recent animated movies about JL, Sups is the big gun for JL anytime. WW, Cyborg and Aquaman are not on the same level with Sups in toe to toe fight, on the other hand Atomic Skull, Metallo or even Deathstroke alone would match Sups with much higher chances, just know your universe stuff.
Oh yea and Steppenwold is not even the scariest thing from Apocalypse
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We know sups is on such a high lower level were just saying it makes everything pointless in a movie to spend limited time on characters that are illrelevant to the story.
Imagine the same movie but no superman and tell me it makes less sense.
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Well those characters are not irrelevant, they makes the core of JL (alongside with Martian, GL and Shazam). They put lots of efforts to bring back the most powerful character in league.
I can imagine the same movie without sups, that's not a problem. The main problem with such movie is a timing, it's hard to describe properly teambuilding + every each character personality in 2 hours. I'd say 3 hours would be enough, or at least 2,5. I'd like to see directors cut tho
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Movie wasn't as bad as I feared it would be from all the reddit posts. I was a little disappointed in the Flash, just felt like he could have been used more. Maybe this is the comics and accurate, but I disliked how scared he was right before the fighting began how he was saying "I can't do this." Again it might be accurate to the comics but I disliked it.
I enjoyed it and while it wasn't omg amazing, it wasn't terrible either.
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Thats not the point of relevence. The movie spends most of its time introducing and building up a bunch of characters that are not necessary. Superman can just do everything and doesn't need anyone else. He doesn't need the justice league to beat the big bad. They can all go home and just leave sups to do everything.
The same movie without sups is fundamentally different and makes sense.
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If you're considering Steppenwolf as a big bad - yea, sure. But with the same logic u can make every JL movie only with Sups, because he doesn't need anyone else.
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On November 28 2017 02:44 Dav1oN wrote: Well those characters are not irrelevant, they makes the core of JL (alongside with Martian, GL and Shazam). They put lots of efforts to bring back the most powerful character in league.
I can imagine the same movie without sups, that's not a problem. The main problem with such movie is a timing, it's hard to describe properly teambuilding + every each character personality in 2 hours. I'd say 3 hours would be enough, or at least 2,5. I'd like to see directors cut tho
Yeah, real great team there, they exist to bring back to life their one actually useful teammate.
Its hard to build a team when 80% of the team is virtually useless.
I'd also like to mention that this, "but comics" mentality is dumb and I keep hearing it from DC fans as if it justifies these mediocre/terrible movies, I thought I watched the Justice League MOVIE not the Justice League comic.
The lack of actual hard work and time that DC has put into their universe building is bad, but one nice thing about Superheroes is that we already kinda know enough to not really NEED extended backstories and movies about them (I mean, look at Spiderman: Homecoming!). That being said, when DC kinda probably needed their Aquaman movie. And maybe some like, color for his suit/armor/Atlantis.
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On November 28 2017 05:26 Dav1oN wrote: If you're considering Steppenwolf as a big bad - yea, sure. But with the same logic u can make every JL movie only with Sups, because he doesn't need anyone else.
That's the issue that many of us have with the movie. For me, I was hoping it would be the DC equivalent of The Avengers, in the sense that now there's a cool team of heroes who can work together and achieve what the individual could not. But it's not that, because the Avengers have multiple heroes who actually pull their own weight (Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, etc.). This movie formed the Justice League, sure, but it also cemented the idea that the Justice League is 99% Superman and 1% other-"heroes"-making-sure-Superman-doesn't-die.
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The movie was bad and Snyder/ Tsukihara/ WB should feel bad. The problem with this movie is everything. Steppenwolf was too big of a villain to use on forming the JLA. Cyborg and Flash needed more time as heroes. Batman is too old to be fighting Steppenwolf and soon Darkseid (doubt it with the way this film bombed), and Supes should have never been killed.
Everything about the DCEU is shit. Batman was the one bright spot and they fucked that up. Superman could have been great, but they fucked that up. This movie just crushed every little thing I had left in terms of hope for DC catching up to Marvel. back to waiting for Black Panther and possibly Aquaman. Hope Wan added some fucking color that pops instead of Edgar Allen Poe color pallet.
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On November 28 2017 06:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2017 05:26 Dav1oN wrote: If you're considering Steppenwolf as a big bad - yea, sure. But with the same logic u can make every JL movie only with Sups, because he doesn't need anyone else. That's the issue that many of us have with the movie. For me, I was hoping it would be the DC equivalent of The Avengers, in the sense that now there's a cool team of heroes who can work together and achieve what the individual could not. But it's not that, because the Avengers have multiple heroes who actually pull their own weight (Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, etc.). This movie formed the Justice League, sure, but it also cemented the idea that the Justice League is 99% Superman and 1% other-"heroes"-making-sure-Superman-doesn't-die.
That's why I enjoyed X-Men type comics over the JLA back in the 90s. JLA is all about Batman figuring out a way to get rid of the bad guy's kryptonite and Supes cleaning up afterwards.
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If at first your movie studio doesn’t succeed, restructure and restructure again. After Justice League received subpar reviews and underwhelming box office returns, Warner Bros. is looking to shake-up its DC Films division—again. Per Variety, DC Films co-head and producer Jon Berg will step down, and the studio is considering bringing DC’s film operations closer to Warner Bros. proper.
The establishment of a “DC Films” with film producer Berg and DC Comics veteran Geoff Johns as co-heads came after the failure of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and was WB’s attempt to emulate Marvel Studios and their president Kevin Feige, who is not only an experienced film producer but has an encyclopedic knowledge of Marvel comics. Although the first film with this pair in charge, Wonder Woman, was undoubtedly a success, the same couldn’t be said for Justice League. Johns is expected to stay on in at least an advisory capacity.
Warner Bros. is also considering bringing its DC films operation under the same umbrella as their other studios. Although Marvel Studios is a subsidiary of Walt Disney Studios, it generally operates independently—Fox and Sony, on the other hand, are more directly hands on with their X-Men and Spider-Man franchises, respectively. A move from WB would probably resemble Fox and Sony more so than Disney.
Justice League received a 40% score on Rotten Tomatoes (our review here ) and grossed $570.3 million worldwide in three weeks; in comparison, the first Avengers film made up to $1.5 billion in the same amount of time. Production problems plagued Justice League—already coming off of a lambasted Batman v Superman, WB executives were quite skittish about the future of the franchise. According to a large spread by The Wrap, the changing of hands from Zack Snyder to Avengers writer-director Joss Whedon, clashing visions and studio interference and an overall rushed production led to a “Frankenstein” (although really, it’s Frankenstein’s Monster) of a film.
A replacement for Berg will be announced sometime soon. The next DC movie will be Aquaman directed by James Wan (The Conjuring, Furious 7) for a release date of Dec. 21, 2018.
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The only thing to do is start everything from scratch, total reset. Like Marvel has done with the Spider Man films 3 times. Snyder has managed to reduce an entire universe to trash, from Nolan to Snyder is pure BS. Hell if Sony can back the brinks truck up and get Nolan back and then you could have Jenkins, Nolan, and Whedon at the helm of the DC universe.
New reports say that Zack Snyder was fired from Justice League, months before he publicly shared that he was no longer involved with the project.
Entertainment reporter Josh Dickey is leaving the industry, and tweeted a series of links with some context about his time there. One of his claims was that Snyder didn’t leave the project voluntarily, but was instead fired from the film, according to unnamed sources.
Collider is backing up Dickey’s tweet, reporting that Warner Bros. fired Snyder in January or February 2017 — months before Snyder announced he was stepping away from the project to deal with the personal matters after the death of his daughter.
“I’d heard similar things from separate sources over the last year as well,” Collider’s Matt Goldberg wrote. “I also heard that Snyder’s rough-cut of the movie was ‘unwatchable’ (a word that jumped out at me because it’s rare you hear two separate sources use the exact same adjective). Of course, even if that’s true, there’s obviously more to the story since rough cuts can be fixed up with reshoots, rewrites, etc.”
The sensitive nature of Snyder’s family tragedy played a part in keeping this story from being reported, according to some, but it also seems true that no one was willing to go on the record to confirm or deny whether Snyder left or was fired.
Goldberg and Dickey’s reporting supports other developments that were happening at Warner Bros. at the time; developments that, in hindsight, foreshadowed Snyder’s work on future movies. In May 2016, just a few months after the disastrous release of Batman v Superman, Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara removed Silverman as a supervisor overlooking the DC Comics film slate. The Wrap reported that Tsujihara was investing heavily in Warner Bros.’ DC Comics brand, and wanted films with better critical reception.
“It’s no secret the studio wanted better critical reception on the DC properties,” sources told The Wrap.
The Wrap later reported that executives at Warner Bros. first raised major concerns over Snyder’s work in mid-2016, after the release of Batman v Superman. Those same executives pleaded with Silverman, who worked with Snyder on 300, to remove him from Justice League and give the project to someone else. Silverman refused. Less than a year later, in December 2016, Silverman was ousted from the company.
Variety reported that company executives were not happy with the performances of other DCEU films, including Suicide Squad, which Silverman oversaw. It was only a few months after, based on Dickey’s and Goldberg’s reports, that Snyder was also fired from the production.
We’ve reached out to Warner Bros. for comment. The company has spoken on Snyder’s future involvement with the DC films in the past.
“Zack Snyder is not currently scheduled to direct a DC film, but he is serving as a producer or executive producer on upcoming DC pictures such as Wonder Woman 2 and Aquaman,” Warner Bros. told Polygon in a previous statement.
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I wish snyder could turn a man of steel II.
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Damn, that with the story that Snyder was let go from Justice League it being a mess, I think it is safe to say that DC movies are fucked.
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On February 23 2018 10:44 Plansix wrote: Damn, that with the story that Snyder was let go from Justice League it being a mess, I think it is safe to say that DC movies are fucked. I don't think they ever really had a chance. Failing to capitalize on the batman trilogy and then trying to play catch up with the marvel train without the Disney empire behind it. Disney buying Star wars and getting Industrial light and magic alongside skywalker sound for increasing the special effects muscle.
Also they for some ungodly reason never followed the Marvel example of having one single universe and keeping consistency between all their properties as job 1. The CWTU (CW television universe) is pumping out 5 hours of content a week yet can do nothing to help their movies.
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So I finally saw this, after not wanting to see it in theatres after the fiasco that was Batman vs Superman, I saw it on my own terms outside the theatre and you know what? It wasn't THAT bad.
I did have a few problems with it, most of the same as other folks, but it was overall a much better experience than Man of Steel OR Batman vs Superman.
In general, I'd say this film was just a notch below Wonder Woman and decent overall.
Full review here. W/ Spoilers (are we still spoiling stuff this far along?)+ Show Spoiler +
Last note in spoilers.
+ Show Spoiler +Oh god, I can't imagine HOW a Legion of Doom movie starring the current Lex Luthor CAN POSSIBLY BE GOOD! I hope to god they recast this guy before it becomes a massive meme factory.
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Welp, WB fucked everything now. Affleck is gone from Batman, now this:
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They cannot afford to lose Cavill, he's exactly how Sups should looks like...
Is it confirmed with Affleck? He was the only bright part in Dawn of Justice and he also fits very well for Bats.
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Looks like two of the leading stars have decided they have better things to do than deal with WB's internal “vision” struggles over the DC universe. And less than great director choices(with the exception of WW)
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