I've been watching it on and off. He abuses slow motion so much it drags the film out longer than it needs to. And some pieces just linger for way too long. It's still dark and moody teenage angst through and through though.

Velr

Switzerland10800 Posts

March 19 2021 15:32 GMT

#162

I'm an hour in and boy do the scenes just linger and linger and linger....

It also seems to try to tell the story of about 4 movies and somehow still remains kinda boring.

ZerOCoolSC2

9005 Posts

March 19 2021 16:33 GMT

#163

Took me all day yesterday to finish it, but I did. Definitely could not have been released in theaters. Like Velr said, there's 4 different animated movie concepts in this. You have death of superman, flashpoint paradox (albeit tuned way down), hints of death in the family, and then some weird dreamscape idea with Batman. It's all just...weirdly paced and pieced together.

It's probably also his best work to date, if that says anything. He can script some action scenes though.

Edit: Also, WHO THE FUCK SHOOTS IN 4:3?!?!!? That was such a dumb choice.

Velr

Switzerland10800 Posts

March 19 2021 22:54 GMT

#164

After seeing the whole thing.

Luckily the pace picks a bit up after the first hour but for some reason there is another 25 minutes after the climax/resolution that add pretty much nothing and would, if at all, belong in a sequels first act (to then timejump back to see how it came to this).
You could EASILY, whiteout any skills, cut this down to 3 hours and it would be plain better. There is also way to much slow motion, it's downright excessive. The sound is also just weird, every time wonderwoman does something there is her theme playing, it's absolutely ridiculous, the first few time it's kinda cool but after the 20ieth time its plain funny/weird.

In general, it's better than what we saw in cinemas. Is it good? No, not really.

Sermokala

United States14041 Posts

March 21 2021 14:03 GMT

#165

If I was watching this in a theater alone it would be the worst movie ever. As it is on streaming it's an unedited slog that doesn't fix some of it's worst mistakes and just has twice the run time to indulge itself.

3 hours would be a lot better will weaton comes off a lot better after this.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

March 22 2021 16:04 GMT

#166

Husyelt

United States837 Posts

March 22 2021 18:21 GMT

#167

On March 23 2021 01:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNp3Q0AfXRg

Did not expect the RLM crew to like the movie as much as they did. Expectations certainly play a role in this. Love the honesty per usual though.

If I remember correctly the Whedon reshot stuff “only” was 25 million or so 80 million.

As it stands now, it’s evident* DC and Zach has no clear story plan or template for their superhero franchise. Even if Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman were on the level of The Dark Knight, the story arcs and pacing is just a clusterfuck.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

March 22 2021 20:09 GMT

#168

Well one thing is for certain. Whedon fucked the original way up with his edits and reshoots.

I'm just pissed we will never get a follow up films, because it seemed like there was a plan being formed.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

March 22 2021 20:54 GMT

#169

I didn't even know this movie was a thing til it came out. It's super long. Is it worth a watch if I was kinda bored with the 2017 movie, but liked most DC animated movies?

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

March 22 2021 21:40 GMT

#170

I found it enjoyable. But it is a long movie, so be prepared to pause for bathroom and food breaks.

Sermokala

United States14041 Posts

March 22 2021 23:52 GMT

#171

On March 23 2021 05:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well one thing is for certain. Whedon fucked the original way up with his edits and reshoots.

I'm just pissed we will never get a follow up films, because it seemed like there was a plan being formed.

I don't know if we can throw blame Whedon so much. His inclusions look pretty bad looking back but the studio directives of a creative shift away from syders dark tone, the 120 minute run time and to somehow land the plane in less than a year are still pretty insane.

You can see a lot of things that went wrong way before he got into the thing. The wonder woman scene at the start is absolute nonsense that snyder is guilty for. Clearly There was suppose to be a movie break right after that tunnel fight with Steppenwolf, Superman's entire involvement seems like its too much for a single movie on top of everything else, trying to shoehorn cyborg and flash's introduction.

I think it compares a lot more to age of ultron. Age of Ultron had to carry niagras falls level of water for the MCU's later success leading to infinity war and was a poor-mediorcre movie. But even that had an extra 22 minutes for Whedon to work with and all of Disney oweing him for inventing the avengers model.

The snyder cut would be a worse movie-going experience but I think is a far better movie. It somehow makes the theater cut even worse though.

ZerOCoolSC2

9005 Posts

March 23 2021 02:57 GMT

#172

I've said it once and I'll always repeat it. Snyder was the worst possible choice to give the reins to for making a DCEU that could stand up to the MCU.

Sermokala

United States14041 Posts

March 23 2021 05:14 GMT

#173

On March 23 2021 11:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I've said it once and I'll always repeat it. Snyder was the worst possible choice to give the reins to for making a DCEU that could stand up to the MCU.

Like he could be a good ringer like james gun or taika waititi but its bizarre to see him and think "yeah this guy is our jon favreau"

Velr

Switzerland10800 Posts

March 23 2021 13:04 GMT

#174

Yeah, he was a weird choice for sure.

But well.. Snyder fans are orgasming over this cut (and the horrible superman and bvs), so there seems to be a market. This franchise just never should have been for that market