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TotalBalanceSC2
Canada475 Posts
On May 08 2013 05:51 Requizen wrote: Remember, the enemy's gate is down Oh god, Harrison Ford looks so old I can't imagine him in Star Wars 7 as Han Solo. On topic, I haven't read the book (friends have) but this movie just looks like kind of bland sci-fi, at least from the trailer. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:16 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: Oh god, Harrison Ford looks so old I can't imagine him in Star Wars 7 as Han Solo. On topic, I haven't read the book (friends have) but this movie just looks kind of bland sci-fi, at least from the trailer. The trailer, like all trailers, puts all of the emphasis on the wrong things. Which isn't necessarily bad for marketing, but very bad for actually showing what the story is about. The vast majority of the story is about a "Battle School" where child geniuses are trained to be battlefield tacticians and commanders, with the main platform being a Zero-G combat simulator. The trailer basically hypes up all the flashy stuff, while the bulk of the movie should be about the war games and Ender's development. On May 08 2013 10:19 coverpunch wrote: Is anyone else alarmed by the trailer's essential message of "We need a new kind of soldier...CHILD SOLDIERS"? Not really? That was sort of one of the central themes of the book...something as horrific as child soldiers being necessitated by some intergalactic war. And all the aftermath of what happens to these children. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:30 xDaunt wrote: Man, I really hope I'm wrong, but that trailer really does not bode well for the movie. It doesn't capture the essence of the book at all. Ender is the book. Not the war. Good point, but all I can say is "child actors." | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:25 WolfintheSheep wrote: Not really? That was sort of one of the central themes of the book...something as horrific as child soldiers being necessitated by some intergalactic war. And all the aftermath of what happens to these children. That's not one of the themes of the book. There is never any apparent guilt, by society at large or the military, about using child soldiers. The well-being of children is never a primary consideration. The theme is Ender's innocence and coming of age at the hands of manipulators - adults, fellow students, and Formics. The manipulation is what makes the story unique in coming-of-age tales. Other stories about coming-of-age center around circumstances that can't be externally controlled by other characters, such as war or poverty or accidents. But Ender is molded by the entirely controlled environment of the Battle School. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18396 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:30 xDaunt wrote: Man, I really hope I'm wrong, but that trailer really does not bode well for the movie. It doesn't capture the essence of the book at all. Ender is the book. Not the war. This. That trailer was terrible. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
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LightRain
36 Posts
This really reminds me of Golden Compass. An incredible book for the ages, forever tainted by one of the most horrible movies of the ages, despite the star power (Nicole Kidman). Though I pray I'm wrong... this trailer absolutely seals it for me. WILL NOT WATCH | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18396 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:52 DoubleReed wrote: Uhm.... did they make Mazer Rackham an alien or something? Wtf? I thought so too. No, he's just got his face covered in tattoos... for whatever reason. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
Oh come on, they can't take that shit out! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18396 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:55 DoubleReed wrote: Actually, I just realized: there weren't any shots of the Fantasy Game, were there? Oh come on, they can't take that shit out! Well, they shouldn't take it out. It is one of the most important ways in which Ender develops in the book... | ||
Waxangel
United States33666 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Saw this on my Facebook feed...watched it, and quite honestly I hate it. Before I list my reasons, I want to hear what other people think. There's a very apparent reason for my hate, wondering if it's just me cause of missing/mis-remembering something. Edit: GG, somehow this thread didn't go to the last 20 like I have it set. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:54 Acrofales wrote: I thought so too. No, he's just got his face covered in tattoos... for whatever reason. Because he's half-Maori probably. | ||
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Evaleanst
6 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:54 Acrofales wrote: I thought so too. No, he's just got his face covered in tattoos... for whatever reason. Mazer Rackham's half Maori. The tattoos are used to symbolise that, though I don't remember the books mentioning anything about tattoos. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:49 coverpunch wrote: That's not one of the themes of the book. There is never any apparent guilt, by society at large or the military, about using child soldiers. The well-being of children is never a primary consideration. The theme is Ender's innocence and coming of age at the hands of manipulators - adults, fellow students, and Formics. The manipulation is what makes the story unique in coming-of-age tales. Other stories about coming-of-age center around circumstances that can't be externally controlled by other characters, such as war or poverty or accidents. But Ender is molded by the entirely controlled environment of the Battle School. What? There is an entire segment in the denouement devoted to Graff and Rackham being put to trial for essentially child abuse (they get off because the prosecution can't prove the war wouldn't have been won without such extreme measures). There are multiple conversations between Graff and the Battle School administrator about how far they're pushing Ender, with the administrator almost explicitly (or explicitly?) saying they're ruining a child. I'm pretty sure there's even a bit at the beginning when Ender first leaves his family where the parents talk about them taking away a child. While it certainly wasn't the main focus, it was still something repeated multiple times. | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
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