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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
May 08 2013 05:31 GMT
#361
The clip at the end of the trailer is probably not what you think it is. That's likely just a scene ~15 minutes before the end of the movie, not the climax.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 08 2013 05:32 GMT
#362
Trailer underwhelming. Meh.
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
May 08 2013 05:54 GMT
#363
I'll watch it either way just b/c it's my fav book!
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
May 08 2013 05:56 GMT
#364
The trailer looks exactly how a movie adaptation of Enders Game should look imo.

If they did the book too closely it would be kinda weird. The format of a hollywood film just isn't the place for sub 10 year-olds killing each other and playing fantasy games by themselves.

Prolly will love the book more than the movie, but, they are doing the story and idea correctly for the medium as far as I can tell.
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
May 08 2013 06:52 GMT
#365
too much emphasis on the academy awards lol. The movie also looks really generic, but w/e it's ender
s game.
valium
Profile Joined June 2012
United States251 Posts
May 08 2013 06:58 GMT
#366
You cant make Ender's Game into a movie if you base it off the book. It is too long, the emphasis of the story would not make for an entertaining movie, the book is too gritty and things done to the kids is really messed up... just no, cant happen.

Still a chance to make a good movie off the premise of the book though.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 08 2013 07:11 GMT
#367
On May 08 2013 11:59 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 11:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 08 2013 10:49 coverpunch wrote:
On May 08 2013 10:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 08 2013 10:19 coverpunch wrote:
Is anyone else alarmed by the trailer's essential message of "We need a new kind of soldier...CHILD SOLDIERS"?

Not really? That was sort of one of the central themes of the book...something as horrific as child soldiers being necessitated by some intergalactic war. And all the aftermath of what happens to these children.

That's not one of the themes of the book. There is never any apparent guilt, by society at large or the military, about using child soldiers. The well-being of children is never a primary consideration.

The theme is Ender's innocence and coming of age at the hands of manipulators - adults, fellow students, and Formics. The manipulation is what makes the story unique in coming-of-age tales. Other stories about coming-of-age center around circumstances that can't be externally controlled by other characters, such as war or poverty or accidents. But Ender is molded by the entirely controlled environment of the Battle School.


What? There is an entire segment in the denouement devoted to Graff and Rackham being put to trial for essentially child abuse (they get off because the prosecution can't prove the war wouldn't have been won without such extreme measures). There are multiple conversations between Graff and the Battle School administrator about how far they're pushing Ender, with the administrator almost explicitly (or explicitly?) saying they're ruining a child. I'm pretty sure there's even a bit at the beginning when Ender first leaves his family where the parents talk about them taking away a child.

While it certainly wasn't the main focus, it was still something repeated multiple times.


Yes, but the part of what made the movie so good was that Ender was NOT self-aware of his standing. Yes, everyone else knew or had an inkling, but they never told him about it. The Ender in that trailer is like aware of what is going on, that's changes the whole premise of the story.

Ender was definitely self-aware of his own importance, at the very least. He was very aware that he would never receive help from adults, very aware that Battle School was being cannibalized for the sake of pushing him, and definitely aware that the adults were singling him out among his peers. Hell, Ender even knew it was him specifically that was being groomed to fight the Formics. It's really only the timeframe that takes him by surprise.

And the trailer is poorly framed for anyone who knows the story, but it's not designed for those people at all. There's honestly no point in overanalyzing those clips...nothing has context, voice clips are matched to incorrect scenes. Hell, the scenes with Petra are even framed romantically, but those are still moments that are identical to the book.

Trailers always misrepresent movies. That's a fact of cinema.
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Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 07:29:24
May 08 2013 07:29 GMT
#368
trailers are always misleading, I never trusted a trailer again after seeing the matrix reloaded, so I'll wait with my opinion untill it comes out
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11585 Posts
May 08 2013 08:41 GMT
#369
On May 08 2013 14:04 StayPhrosty wrote:
i like the trailer, but tbh the movie could go either way. The director and producers seems to have the possibility of skill, but also are quite susceptible to the shallow "spectacle sci-fi" that is all too common these days.


I took a writing class with Orson Scott Card a few years back. He told me that he has attempted to sell the rights to the movie many times, and then after a bunch of movie producers kept failing to meet his standards, he refused to allow them to continue with production.

He is a perfectionist, and if he didn't think it was good, he wouldn't have allowed it to be made. Orson Scott Card has a lot of influence into this movie.
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Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 09:09:33
May 08 2013 08:58 GMT
#370
all looks mediocre except for

+ Show Spoiler +
MAZER FUCKING RACKHAM

edit: for those wondering why, rackham is described as 'half maori-half new-zealander', which IMO is pretty cool that they kept. The tattoos are maori style.


I think the trailer doesn't preclude the film from being good. There's a few no-nos in my book, particularly setting ender and petra up as a romance, ignoring the psychological effects on him and/or revealing the invasion before the book does, right at the end. I think they will do at least one of these, which will be painful but tolerable. More and I don't think it's really ender's game any more.
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stroggozz
Profile Joined March 2013
New Zealand19 Posts
May 08 2013 09:01 GMT
#371
lol ben kingsley with the tattoos. Apart from that the movie looks shit
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h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
May 08 2013 09:17 GMT
#372
On May 08 2013 16:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 11:59 Judicator wrote:
On May 08 2013 11:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 08 2013 10:49 coverpunch wrote:
On May 08 2013 10:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 08 2013 10:19 coverpunch wrote:
Is anyone else alarmed by the trailer's essential message of "We need a new kind of soldier...CHILD SOLDIERS"?

Not really? That was sort of one of the central themes of the book...something as horrific as child soldiers being necessitated by some intergalactic war. And all the aftermath of what happens to these children.

That's not one of the themes of the book. There is never any apparent guilt, by society at large or the military, about using child soldiers. The well-being of children is never a primary consideration.

The theme is Ender's innocence and coming of age at the hands of manipulators - adults, fellow students, and Formics. The manipulation is what makes the story unique in coming-of-age tales. Other stories about coming-of-age center around circumstances that can't be externally controlled by other characters, such as war or poverty or accidents. But Ender is molded by the entirely controlled environment of the Battle School.


What? There is an entire segment in the denouement devoted to Graff and Rackham being put to trial for essentially child abuse (they get off because the prosecution can't prove the war wouldn't have been won without such extreme measures). There are multiple conversations between Graff and the Battle School administrator about how far they're pushing Ender, with the administrator almost explicitly (or explicitly?) saying they're ruining a child. I'm pretty sure there's even a bit at the beginning when Ender first leaves his family where the parents talk about them taking away a child.

While it certainly wasn't the main focus, it was still something repeated multiple times.


Yes, but the part of what made the movie so good was that Ender was NOT self-aware of his standing. Yes, everyone else knew or had an inkling, but they never told him about it. The Ender in that trailer is like aware of what is going on, that's changes the whole premise of the story.

Ender was definitely self-aware of his own importance, at the very least. He was very aware that he would never receive help from adults, very aware that Battle School was being cannibalized for the sake of pushing him, and definitely aware that the adults were singling him out among his peers. Hell, Ender even knew it was him specifically that was being groomed to fight the Formics. It's really only the timeframe that takes him by surprise.

And the trailer is poorly framed for anyone who knows the story, but it's not designed for those people at all. There's honestly no point in overanalyzing those clips...nothing has context, voice clips are matched to incorrect scenes. Hell, the scenes with Petra are even framed romantically, but those are still moments that are identical to the book.

Trailers always misrepresent movies. That's a fact of cinema.

Ender figures out that he is singled out on the ride to battle school...
kuriz
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark141 Posts
May 08 2013 09:57 GMT
#373
On May 08 2013 12:12 Noro wrote:
I guess I'm watching a different trailer from everyone else. I am unbelievably excited.


Dude I totally hear you! I thought this trailer was banging. Obviously a lot of things will be missing and be let out, but nonetheless I think it looks good. It's kind of interesting to read through these comments though. It generally (not all, but generally) seems that you guys that read it years ago and have "lived with it" (if you can say that), is very sceptical compared to me for example that read it not too long ago and just thought it was an awesome book.
I'm definitely going to see the movie and I'm very hyped after watching the trailer, so I guess that's just good for me :-)


To continue the book discussion though I got the Speaker for the Dead from the Library a week ago and compared to Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow it's....mweh....I read only 50 pages in or so and it was just being slow. Didn't catch me at all really.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 10:03:50
May 08 2013 10:03 GMT
#374
I can't remember everything about the book, but I do remember it being very good. This trailer doesn't really look very appealing but I will see the movie and hopefully be able to remember stuff from the book.
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Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
May 08 2013 13:28 GMT
#375
you gotta give speaker a chance. Wait till you get into the middle-late part and it's fantastic
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8032 Posts
May 08 2013 13:28 GMT
#376
On May 08 2013 17:58 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
all looks mediocre except for

+ Show Spoiler +
MAZER FUCKING RACKHAM

edit: for those wondering why, rackham is described as 'half maori-half new-zealander', which IMO is pretty cool that they kept. The tattoos are maori style.


I think the trailer doesn't preclude the film from being good. There's a few no-nos in my book, particularly setting ender and petra up as a romance, ignoring the psychological effects on him and/or revealing the invasion before the book does, right at the end. I think they will do at least one of these, which will be painful but tolerable. More and I don't think it's really ender's game any more.

The romance part is likely just due to how that particular scene was taken out of context and framed in the trailer. All she's doing in the trailer is sitting next to Ender.

I hope.
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une_certaine_verve
Profile Joined May 2012
342 Posts
May 08 2013 13:32 GMT
#377
I hope Valentine and Peter get enough coverage/screen time... they really made the book for me.
EGMachine
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1643 Posts
May 08 2013 13:57 GMT
#378
Omg I've been waiting for this for a while GOING TO BE EPIC!!
I'm like, the coolest
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 08 2013 14:02 GMT
#379
It has been a long time since I read the book, ≈10 years, is it just me or did the trailer look like it delved a bit into the sequels? Obviously certain bits could be flashbacks etc.
darksub
Profile Joined July 2010
Argentina302 Posts
May 08 2013 15:17 GMT
#380
im worried the movie will be censored, the book its really dark
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