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hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
May 03 2013 19:57 GMT
#301
On April 19 2013 02:49 Ryalnos wrote:
It is my understanding that the 'Philotes' are in some sense a Mormon idea, or at least an adaptation from their beliefs.

I gather then, that the books which deal with them (e.g. Xenocide) were in part a sort of Mormon apologetic, showing how the 'philotes' could fit into a scientific picture. There's definitely other Mormon themes (imo reflected in emphases on family & having children, and even colonizing planets across the universe).



Not even close. Philotes was an idea OSC pulled from another SCI-FI book. They're related to The Ansible. I grew up mormon, which is why I'm clarifying.
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hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
May 03 2013 20:05 GMT
#302
On April 15 2013 04:44 Reborn58 wrote:
Response to Hoby about Xenocide being bad.

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He basically just goes "Oh, there's no way out that fits within the story- so now all of a sudden in a few days we can create the technology to exist outside of time....annnnnnnd problem solved."

There's more than one way to skin a cat, I just feel like he could have done all of the philosophical storylines and wrapped up the loose ends without basically introducing something I found to be completely unbelievable and cheap. I was unable to suspend belief, which I had easily been able to do with the series prior to this twist. It was not well written, just my opinion.



+ Show Spoiler +
And piggies turning into tress is believable? Or the formics being able to communicate through the mind? Jane? Ender always having the right things to say and do? All of these things contribute to the story, and if they're believable is irrelevant BECAUSE IT'S SCIENCE FICTION. The fact that you're arguing about whether or not is believable makes me think that you focused too much on the aesthetics of the book and not enough about the ideas.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 20:33:28
May 03 2013 20:24 GMT
#303
On May 04 2013 05:05 hoby2000 wrote:
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On April 15 2013 04:44 Reborn58 wrote:
Response to Hoby about Xenocide being bad.

+ Show Spoiler +
He basically just goes "Oh, there's no way out that fits within the story- so now all of a sudden in a few days we can create the technology to exist outside of time....annnnnnnd problem solved."

There's more than one way to skin a cat, I just feel like he could have done all of the philosophical storylines and wrapped up the loose ends without basically introducing something I found to be completely unbelievable and cheap. I was unable to suspend belief, which I had easily been able to do with the series prior to this twist. It was not well written, just my opinion.



+ Show Spoiler +
And piggies turning into tress is believable? Or the formics being able to communicate through the mind? Jane? Ender always having the right things to say and do? All of these things contribute to the story, and if they're believable is irrelevant BECAUSE IT'S SCIENCE FICTION. The fact that you're arguing about whether or not is believable makes me think that you focused too much on the aesthetics of the book and not enough about the ideas.

Off-topic about sequel books, not actual spoilers>
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Well, i really think the continuation of the Ender series is not good. Aside from the fact that it's forced to be the sequel, the characters arent very strong/ outright horrible. Most of them are just a modest collection of a number of extremly stereotypical qualities. Most humans anyways. And the phiosophical stuff is just... well no... sometimes i felt like the writer is onto something and made me think on a couple of occasions, but most of the times i was feeling like he had no business writing this kinds of a book.

The Shadow series though, it really shows Orson Scott Card's forte, which is the fake-history writing, and the story-telling trough these child-geniuses, i really enjoyed that. The whole struggle for power and human nature is presented very well imo in those.

Also, i passionately hate the argument "it s (sci)-fiction, everything flies, u're so stupid to try to rationalize it". NO. When you set out to read/watch sci-fi, you accept some base-premises. Take Star-Wars, you accept the Force is a thing, that inter-stellar transport exists etc. That doesnt mean that you can't point out, it's strange every planet seems to have a single friggin climate, and 90% of the intelligent species are humanoid etc etc etc. Do these things ruin the story? Certainly not, but i get why people think it's silly / feel it could have been done better.

Likewise, some of the stuff in Card's books are wierd, but can be accepted as base premises, some other though are outright stupid/inconsistnt with the world.
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mufin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 21:48:28
May 03 2013 21:46 GMT
#304
trailer teaser looks really good.. i'm more hyped for this movie then i was for the 3rd batman.

Has anyone read Earth Unaware? I read it after reading all the ender sequels and shadow series and rate it as my 2nd favorite in the ender universe. I think the next one in the series is coming out this summer. I really like how they're fleshing out the world from where it is now to the point of desperation in Ender's time.
I only make 5 actions per minute. But since I use all my time deliberating and planning, my 5 actions are so brutally devastating that children cry out and grown men weep.
Coppermantis
Profile Joined June 2012
United States845 Posts
May 03 2013 22:53 GMT
#305
On May 04 2013 06:46 mufin wrote:
trailer teaser looks really good.. i'm more hyped for this movie then i was for the 3rd batman.

Has anyone read Earth Unaware? I read it after reading all the ender sequels and shadow series and rate it as my 2nd favorite in the ender universe. I think the next one in the series is coming out this summer. I really like how they're fleshing out the world from where it is now to the point of desperation in Ender's time.


I read it and thought that although it wasn't as good as the original book or the Shadow series, it was still intriguing enough to make me desire the next installment.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18438 Posts
May 03 2013 23:06 GMT
#306
I really seriously doubt that the movie can even approach the awesomeness that was the book and I am slightly reprehensive that they are trying. Then again, I had the same with LotR (another childhood favourite) and it turned out okay. We'll see.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
May 03 2013 23:25 GMT
#307
On April 19 2013 02:39 czylu wrote:
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On April 08 2013 11:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:
To be fair to the spherical concept, it actually enhances Ender's Zero-G philosophy rather than annul it. With a cubical (rectangular?) battle field you still have multiple frames of reference to orient your planes. When you lose the walls and corners, it becomes even more futile to try and maintain an up-down perspective.

Even better, the only real reference points become the two gates, making "The enemy's gate is down" just as symbolic, if not more.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't there a whole few paragraphs dedicated to the War Room, and that how it was physically impossible for it to be zero g and most likely designed from bugger technology?

IIRC the space station rotated to generate artificial gravity via centrifugal force at the edges, and the battle room was simply located at the center where there was no centrifugal force.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
May 04 2013 05:07 GMT
#308
On May 04 2013 08:25 -NegativeZero- wrote:
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On April 19 2013 02:39 czylu wrote:
On April 08 2013 11:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:
To be fair to the spherical concept, it actually enhances Ender's Zero-G philosophy rather than annul it. With a cubical (rectangular?) battle field you still have multiple frames of reference to orient your planes. When you lose the walls and corners, it becomes even more futile to try and maintain an up-down perspective.

Even better, the only real reference points become the two gates, making "The enemy's gate is down" just as symbolic, if not more.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't there a whole few paragraphs dedicated to the War Room, and that how it was physically impossible for it to be zero g and most likely designed from bugger technology?

IIRC the space station rotated to generate artificial gravity via centrifugal force at the edges, and the battle room was simply located at the center where there was no centrifugal force.

There's a sharp gradient between the ready room and the actual battle room. That's why the kids suggested that the humans had some control of gravity through the use of bugger technology.
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Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
May 04 2013 08:22 GMT
#309
Man, I still can't believe Xenocide is so disliked. It was my favorite book when I first read it and it still is now!
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czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
May 04 2013 11:54 GMT
#310
i can't believe they released a trailer of a trailer. It's getting tl ridiculous.
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
May 05 2013 01:23 GMT
#311
On May 04 2013 06:46 mufin wrote:
trailer teaser looks really good.. i'm more hyped for this movie then i was for the 3rd batman.

Has anyone read Earth Unaware? I read it after reading all the ender sequels and shadow series and rate it as my 2nd favorite in the ender universe. I think the next one in the series is coming out this summer. I really like how they're fleshing out the world from where it is now to the point of desperation in Ender's time.


2nd book is coming out EARLY june.
Excellent book:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/earth-unaware-orson-scott-card/1107085830?ean=9780765367365
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/earth-afire-orson-scott-card/1113106659?ean=9780765329059

Can't wait to read it. Good book to get hyped on for the Movie!
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Night Eyes
Profile Joined January 2011
433 Posts
May 07 2013 20:05 GMT
#312
On May 04 2013 20:54 czylu wrote:
i can't believe they released a trailer of a trailer. It's getting tl ridiculous.

Its the same as doing an announcement of an announcement... Maybe Ender is joining EG!
excellent!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 07 2013 20:51 GMT
#313
Remember, the enemy's gate is down

It's your boy Guzma!
sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States749 Posts
May 07 2013 21:15 GMT
#314
I don't like the trailer. I think certain aspects of it are really cool, but I don't like how the trailer ends.... The war room looks pretty interesting, and I think the ender is casted well. I know i'm going to be scared when I go to see this movie that they are going to ruin it. One of my favorite books growing up.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
May 07 2013 22:37 GMT
#315
Ender Wiggin loves SC but thinks it takes too much effort.

http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1dvsdc/enders_game_trailer/c9udsag

LOL
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 22:47:51
May 07 2013 22:40 GMT
#316
On May 04 2013 07:53 Coppermantis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 06:46 mufin wrote:
trailer teaser looks really good.. i'm more hyped for this movie then i was for the 3rd batman.

Has anyone read Earth Unaware? I read it after reading all the ender sequels and shadow series and rate it as my 2nd favorite in the ender universe. I think the next one in the series is coming out this summer. I really like how they're fleshing out the world from where it is now to the point of desperation in Ender's time.


I read it and thought that although it wasn't as good as the original book or the Shadow series, it was still intriguing enough to make me desire the next installment.


Honestly Card has become worse as a writer over time. I think the Bean series while enjoyable isn't literature like the ender's game was and his more recent stuff is approaching John Grisham status.

Bit worried about the movie. Don't like the diversity first casting. Mucks up my mental image a bit. (I could pick more points about an Indian for the future leader of the caliphate...) I think black lady anderson offers a very different dynamic from an AMERICAN male. Actually on that note wasn't Graff part of the new Warsaw pact? Their dynamic with this underlying question of loyalty was very interesting.

Think bean is going to be hit or miss. It'll be interesting if the actor can bring intelligence to the roll.

Wonder if they have the balls to do a bitter sweet ending.
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Rowrin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States280 Posts
May 07 2013 22:43 GMT
#317
Is it just me, or does the trailer not do a good job at hiding the plot twist at the end of the book? The trailer makes it look like he is doing what he is actually doing when it isn't suppose to look like he is doing what he is doing, if that makes sense >.>
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 07 2013 23:48 GMT
#318
On May 08 2013 07:43 Rowrin wrote:
Is it just me, or does the trailer not do a good job at hiding the plot twist at the end of the book? The trailer makes it look like he is doing what he is actually doing when it isn't suppose to look like he is doing what he is doing, if that makes sense >.>

It feels like a double red herring. People see him + Show Spoiler +
using dr device on a planet in the trailer, but when they see the film they think "oh it's just a simulation". And then the double reveal happens at the end.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mazzi
Profile Joined August 2012
440 Posts
May 07 2013 23:56 GMT
#319
As someone who has never read the books, this movie looks HORRID
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 08 2013 01:05 GMT
#320
On May 08 2013 08:56 Mazzi wrote:
As someone who has never read the books, this movie looks HORRID


Yea i've heard great things about the book and i was supposed to pick it up in a few weeks but that trailer really didn't make me want to go to see that movie :/
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