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AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
March 26 2013 21:57 GMT
#261
On March 26 2013 02:53 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 02:44 Ender985 wrote:
But.. "The enemy's gate is down!" in a spheric battle room??

Well, can still be "down" as in "point your feet/knees at it", but I agree it's a bit more stretched than in a cube.


I don't think the battle room is spherical. I think he's looking through a round window TBH.
kuriz
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark141 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 11:43:06
April 07 2013 11:40 GMT
#262
I just have to bump this old topic about Ender's Game. Not because I know anything about the movie but because after reading a few pages in this thread I went to the library for the first time in a year to borrow a book. It took me two days and I had read the Ender's Game and I can't remember when was the last time I read something as awesome as this!! Written in an understandable english everything was just perfect. I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

After Wiki'ing I found this IMDB page for Ender's Game: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/. Obviously it'd be hard to find actors that young, but from the pictures it doesn't look like they're all out of the way. I'll definitely go and see it! So hyped!! :-))

**edit**
I just read that the movie will be a mix of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Does this mean that Ender's Shadow is the second book to read after Ender's Game?
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 07 2013 11:43 GMT
#263
The sequels to Ender's Game are very different in style. You won't necessarily like them.

The "Ender's Shadow" books are maybe closer to Ender's Game in tone if that's what you want.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 07 2013 12:03 GMT
#264
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just have to bump this old topic about Ender's Game. Not because I know anything about the movie but because after reading a few pages in this thread I went to the library for the first time in a year to borrow a book. It took me two days and I had read the Ender's Game and I can't remember when was the last time I read something as awesome as this!! Written in an understandable english everything was just perfect. I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

I´ve read Ender´s Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide and Children of the Mind. The following 3 are great books and you should read them, but don´t expect them to be similar to Ender´s Game. They are set far into the future and the story is very different. Still about Ender though. Ender´s Game was actually written to create the character of Ender Wiggins for the Speaker for the Dead, make of that what you will.
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kuriz
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark141 Posts
April 07 2013 16:00 GMT
#265
On April 07 2013 21:03 Forumite wrote:make of that what you will.
what do you mean by that? Thanks I just reserved both Speakers for the Dead and Ender's Shadow so I can't wait to begin reading again
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
April 07 2013 16:17 GMT
#266
I'm gonna watch this movie.

To the people who are complaining about a possible trainwreck:

A movie is just a bonus, regardless whether it's good or bad. If it turns out to be crap, so what? Nobody is forcing you to watch it, and it will not change how good the book is/was.
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
RQShatter
Profile Joined August 2010
United States459 Posts
April 07 2013 16:36 GMT
#267
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just have to bump this old topic about Ender's Game. Not because I know anything about the movie but because after reading a few pages in this thread I went to the library for the first time in a year to borrow a book. It took me two days and I had read the Ender's Game and I can't remember when was the last time I read something as awesome as this!! Written in an understandable english everything was just perfect. I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

After Wiki'ing I found this IMDB page for Ender's Game: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/. Obviously it'd be hard to find actors that young, but from the pictures it doesn't look like they're all out of the way. I'll definitely go and see it! So hyped!! :-))

**edit**
I just read that the movie will be a mix of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Does this mean that Ender's Shadow is the second book to read after Ender's Game?


Enders shadow is The exact time from of Ender's Game told from Bean's perspective. Bean and Ender both have a line of books that tells their stories.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 07 2013 17:09 GMT
#268
Speaker for the Dead is rather fantastic, the next two are hit or miss.
It's your boy Guzma!
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8032 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 17:31:37
April 07 2013 17:30 GMT
#269
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just have to bump this old topic about Ender's Game. Not because I know anything about the movie but because after reading a few pages in this thread I went to the library for the first time in a year to borrow a book. It took me two days and I had read the Ender's Game and I can't remember when was the last time I read something as awesome as this!! Written in an understandable english everything was just perfect. I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

After Wiki'ing I found this IMDB page for Ender's Game: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/. Obviously it'd be hard to find actors that young, but from the pictures it doesn't look like they're all out of the way. I'll definitely go and see it! So hyped!! :-))

**edit**
I just read that the movie will be a mix of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Does this mean that Ender's Shadow is the second book to read after Ender's Game?

Speaker for the Dead is my favorite entry in the series. It focuses on more science-fictiony material than Ender's Game, namely, how contact with intelligent aliens should be handled, and the problems associated with this pursuit. The context of the book is set by the events in Ender's Game in that humanity + Show Spoiler [Ender's Game] +
has already mistakenly obliterated one intelligent alien species, and isn't keen on repeating the same error
. At the same time, humanity's fear of the unknown is still present, and given that the aliens are, y'know, alien, this leads to some pretty interesting developments.

It's quite different from Ender's Game, but I liked the direction in went in.

Xenocide and Children of the Mind both continue along this storyline, but they introduce some more radical sci-fi elements. Your mileage may vary.

Edit: spoilers just in case
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hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
April 07 2013 17:38 GMT
#270
On April 08 2013 02:30 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just have to bump this old topic about Ender's Game. Not because I know anything about the movie but because after reading a few pages in this thread I went to the library for the first time in a year to borrow a book. It took me two days and I had read the Ender's Game and I can't remember when was the last time I read something as awesome as this!! Written in an understandable english everything was just perfect. I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

After Wiki'ing I found this IMDB page for Ender's Game: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/. Obviously it'd be hard to find actors that young, but from the pictures it doesn't look like they're all out of the way. I'll definitely go and see it! So hyped!! :-))

**edit**
I just read that the movie will be a mix of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Does this mean that Ender's Shadow is the second book to read after Ender's Game?

Speaker for the Dead is my favorite entry in the series. It focuses on more science-fictiony material than Ender's Game, namely, how contact with intelligent aliens should be handled, and the problems associated with this pursuit. The context of the book is set by the events in Ender's Game in that humanity + Show Spoiler [Ender's Game] +
has already mistakenly obliterated one intelligent alien species, and isn't keen on repeating the same error
. At the same time, humanity's fear of the unknown is still present, and given that the aliens are, y'know, alien, this leads to some pretty interesting developments.

It's quite different from Ender's Game, but I liked the direction in went in.

Xenocide and Children of the Mind both continue along this storyline, but they introduce some more radical sci-fi elements. Your mileage may vary.

Edit: spoilers just in case



Speaker, Xenocide, and Children are all basically very philosophical and go into more details about different encounters with alien species. I've loved each book, and the re-reads are especially amazing because of the details you catch while reading through again.


The Battle room isn't sphereical, but the battle station is, or so it's believed. This is to emulate centrifugal force I believe? Ender talks about it some in the book, more when he gets to Eros if I'm not mistaken.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8032 Posts
April 07 2013 17:46 GMT
#271
On April 08 2013 02:38 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 02:30 Spazer wrote:
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just have to bump this old topic about Ender's Game. Not because I know anything about the movie but because after reading a few pages in this thread I went to the library for the first time in a year to borrow a book. It took me two days and I had read the Ender's Game and I can't remember when was the last time I read something as awesome as this!! Written in an understandable english everything was just perfect. I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

After Wiki'ing I found this IMDB page for Ender's Game: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/. Obviously it'd be hard to find actors that young, but from the pictures it doesn't look like they're all out of the way. I'll definitely go and see it! So hyped!! :-))

**edit**
I just read that the movie will be a mix of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Does this mean that Ender's Shadow is the second book to read after Ender's Game?

Speaker for the Dead is my favorite entry in the series. It focuses on more science-fictiony material than Ender's Game, namely, how contact with intelligent aliens should be handled, and the problems associated with this pursuit. The context of the book is set by the events in Ender's Game in that humanity + Show Spoiler [Ender's Game] +
has already mistakenly obliterated one intelligent alien species, and isn't keen on repeating the same error
. At the same time, humanity's fear of the unknown is still present, and given that the aliens are, y'know, alien, this leads to some pretty interesting developments.

It's quite different from Ender's Game, but I liked the direction in went in.

Xenocide and Children of the Mind both continue along this storyline, but they introduce some more radical sci-fi elements. Your mileage may vary.

Edit: spoilers just in case



Speaker, Xenocide, and Children are all basically very philosophical and go into more details about different encounters with alien species. I've loved each book, and the re-reads are especially amazing because of the details you catch while reading through again.


The Battle room isn't sphereical, but the battle station is, or so it's believed. This is to emulate centrifugal force I believe? Ender talks about it some in the book, more when he gets to Eros if I'm not mistaken.

The station wouldn't be spherical if they wanted centrifugal force. Since you can only spin in one direction, it makes more sense to design the station as a ring. By spinning around a central axis, you get centrifugal force acting outwards, allowing you to emulate gravity at the outer edges of the station.

The battle rooms are located in the center of the station, making them weightless (although it is noted that there is too sharp of a gradient between the prep room and the battle room for this to be completely natural).
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 07 2013 17:47 GMT
#272
On April 08 2013 02:38 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 02:30 Spazer wrote:
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just have to bump this old topic about Ender's Game. Not because I know anything about the movie but because after reading a few pages in this thread I went to the library for the first time in a year to borrow a book. It took me two days and I had read the Ender's Game and I can't remember when was the last time I read something as awesome as this!! Written in an understandable english everything was just perfect. I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

After Wiki'ing I found this IMDB page for Ender's Game: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/. Obviously it'd be hard to find actors that young, but from the pictures it doesn't look like they're all out of the way. I'll definitely go and see it! So hyped!! :-))

**edit**
I just read that the movie will be a mix of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Does this mean that Ender's Shadow is the second book to read after Ender's Game?

Speaker for the Dead is my favorite entry in the series. It focuses on more science-fictiony material than Ender's Game, namely, how contact with intelligent aliens should be handled, and the problems associated with this pursuit. The context of the book is set by the events in Ender's Game in that humanity + Show Spoiler [Ender's Game] +
has already mistakenly obliterated one intelligent alien species, and isn't keen on repeating the same error
. At the same time, humanity's fear of the unknown is still present, and given that the aliens are, y'know, alien, this leads to some pretty interesting developments.

It's quite different from Ender's Game, but I liked the direction in went in.

Xenocide and Children of the Mind both continue along this storyline, but they introduce some more radical sci-fi elements. Your mileage may vary.

Edit: spoilers just in case



Speaker, Xenocide, and Children are all basically very philosophical and go into more details about different encounters with alien species. I've loved each book, and the re-reads are especially amazing because of the details you catch while reading through again.


The Battle room isn't sphereical, but the battle station is, or so it's believed. This is to emulate centrifugal force I believe? Ender talks about it some in the book, more when he gets to Eros if I'm not mistaken.


Three rings, not spherical. Think concentric donuts
TranslatorBaa!
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
April 07 2013 19:51 GMT
#273
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

If you're expecting the same sort of story as Ender's Game then you may be disappointed. I personally like Speaker the most out of the Ender-verse books, but it (and the books that follow it) is very different from the first book. If you finish Speaker and don't really care to check out the rest then be sure to try the Shadow series as those are more in line with Ender's Game.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
April 07 2013 20:01 GMT
#274
On April 08 2013 04:51 Megiddosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

If you're expecting the same sort of story as Ender's Game then you may be disappointed. I personally like Speaker the most out of the Ender-verse books, but it (and the books that follow it) is very different from the first book. If you finish Speaker and don't really care to check out the rest then be sure to try the Shadow series as those are more in line with Ender's Game.


I'm confused how you can read Speaker and not finish? Speaker leaves off on a cliff hanger....
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
April 07 2013 20:11 GMT
#275
oh man! is this actually happening?! :D
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
April 07 2013 20:14 GMT
#276
On April 08 2013 05:01 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 04:51 Megiddosc wrote:
On April 07 2013 20:40 kuriz wrote:
I just reserved what I believe is the second book in the series "Speaker for the Dead". Has anyone read it and is it as good as Ender's Game? I'm so hyped!

If you're expecting the same sort of story as Ender's Game then you may be disappointed. I personally like Speaker the most out of the Ender-verse books, but it (and the books that follow it) is very different from the first book. If you finish Speaker and don't really care to check out the rest then be sure to try the Shadow series as those are more in line with Ender's Game.


I'm confused how you can read Speaker and not finish? Speaker leaves off on a cliff hanger....

You'd be amazed how many people I've met that love Ender's Game who either never read Xenocide or gave up somewhere in the middle of it.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 07 2013 20:38 GMT
#277
Let's be fair, Xenocide suffers from the standard drop-off in quality that is often found in the second book of a trilogy.

I confess, when I first went through the series years ago I was unable to get through Xenocide on the first reading.
TranslatorBaa!
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
April 07 2013 20:47 GMT
#278
It gets a lot more into the metaphysical (probably not the right word) and the 'story' gets bogged down by the new characters and their POVs. Probably doesn't help that it's almost twice the size of the other books as well. I didn't read it as quickly as I did the other books, but by the end I think it fits its place well as a bridge between Speaker and Children.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 23:21:56
April 07 2013 23:20 GMT
#279
On April 08 2013 01:00 kuriz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 21:03 Forumite wrote:make of that what you will.
what do you mean by that? Thanks I just reserved both Speakers for the Dead and Ender's Shadow so I can't wait to begin reading again
Ender´s Game is the prequel, meant to build the character of Ender for the later books. In my opinion it might be the best one in the series even as a stand-alone book.

If you have Ender´s Shadow, then I suggest reading it first, so you read everything from around the time of the war, and then read to Speaker and the other books set in the far future.
:3
Zholistic
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia278 Posts
April 08 2013 02:03 GMT
#280
The problem with a spherical battle room is that in the book they use the corners of the battle room to gain new angles and speed through bouncing off the corners and using the way the wall planes differ to their advantage. This technique would be much harder in a spherical battle room as the geometry dictates that you're going to come off each place on the wall in the same way. How would you slow down in zero G on a spherical wall? It would be much harder; maybe not possible.
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