EPTFrom what I'm reading, as it stands, Gatts is the "principle" of the matter, whereas Griffith is the "greater good", or "end justifies the means".
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Osmoses
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From what I'm reading, as it stands, Gatts is the "principle" of the matter, whereas Griffith is the "greater good", or "end justifies the means". | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 02 2015 05:51 Osmoses wrote: I don't think it's quite so cut and dry with Griffith. It never is in manga, there's always gotta be some moral quandry, and this time it's the fact that Griffith sacrificed the hawks to "save midland". From what I'm reading, as it stands, Gatts is the "principle" of the matter, whereas Griffith is the "greater good", or "end justifies the means". except he doesnt care about saving midland, it wasnt even in danger when he made the deal he cares only about becoming the king of a country, anything that happens that benefits people is pure coincidence hes just taking over the country in the most effecient way possible but what happens afterwards? | ||
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Osmoses
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 02 2015 06:54 Osmoses wrote: Doesn't matter what his intentions were to begin with, he is now all that stands before the midland people and basically getting eaten. he is also the reason that midlanders are in danger of being eaten but everyone seems to ignore that part | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
I am just curious on what Griffith's endgame is. Build a beautiful paradise, what's next? | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Remember that speech sonia made before the fight against the reincarnated Ganishka? There are shades of gray. | ||
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Lysteria
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On the other hand, the moral quandary is there for sure, because for those under his rule, Griffith is as kind and benevolent as anyone, and their quality of life is many multiples better than what it was before he ruled. And Gatts is far from the principled avenger, he is mainly focused on revenge because of the death of his comrades and the rape of Casca, the principles of justice and the problems of humanity as a whole are the last things on his mind. Gatts surely fights with the attitude of the ends justify the means, and has had no problem causing collateral damage on his quest to destroy evil. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 03 2015 00:13 LaughingTulkas wrote: Something you guys are forgetting is that Midland isn't the only player here. All of humanity is now in danger because of Griffith's changing of the world. The only people left alive are those who have bound themselves under Griffith's rule. The people don't know this, so they see Griffith of the savior from the evil beasts who have suddenly arisen in the land. But creating a situation where anyone outside your control ends up dead is not generally accepted as "good". On the other hand, the moral quandary is there for sure, because for those under his rule, Griffith is as kind and benevolent as anyone, and their quality of life is many multiples better than what it was before he ruled. And Gatts is far from the principled avenger, he is mainly focused on revenge because of the death of his comrades and the rape of Casca, the principles of justice and the problems of humanity as a whole are the last things on his mind. Gatts surely fights with the attitude of the ends justify the means, and has had no problem causing collateral damage on his quest to destroy evil. excpet when has he? he goes out of his way to not harm normal people (ignoring those who attack him), and put himself in danger doing things that didnt directly work to kill Griffith his means arent evil and his end is just | ||
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Osmoses
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On September 02 2015 06:54 Osmoses wrote: Doesn't matter what his intentions were to begin with, he is now all that stands before the midland people and basically getting eaten. His actions resulted in it being so dangerous. Its like releasing starving tigers in a neighborhood all the while saying, "come stay behind my tall, electrified fence where its safe". | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 03 2015 01:52 royalroadweed wrote: His actions resulted in it being so dangerous. Its like releasing starving tigers in a neighborhood all the while saying, "come stay behind my tall, electrified fence where its safe". plus if he leaves the monsters will start disapearing again until its back to the status quo | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On September 03 2015 02:36 Forikorder wrote: plus if he leaves the monsters will start disapearing again until its back to the status quo I don't know about that. I've read the manga several times and from what I understand the merging of the worlds was due to the skull knight's sword, not Griffith. Being able to see elves and stuff was explained by "believing in them", and the reason fantastical creatures were seen less was because the onset of the church and their doctrines. edit: On September 03 2015 02:42 LaughingTulkas wrote: So you are saying there has been no one who has been harmed by Gatts' actions when fighting demons? I can't think of any. | ||
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
On September 03 2015 02:36 Forikorder wrote: plus if he leaves the monsters will start disapearing again until its back to the status quo You never ever proved this and still you say that each time. The two realms fusionned because the Emperor Ganishka was slained by the sword of dimension of Skull Knight, Griffith was there to make sure it was going to happen. Remove him of the picture now, and that does not change the fact Ganishka was slained by the sword of dimension, no reason for the monsters to disappear, especially since they were here (even though only scarce) during the Golden Age arc. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
So you are saying there has been no one who has been harmed by Gatts' actions when fighting demons? purposely harmed by Gutts? no ignoring the people trying to kill him You never ever proved this and still you say that each time. The two realms fusionned because the Emperor Ganishka was slained by the sword of dimension of Skull Knight, Griffith was there to make sure it was going to happen. Remove him of the picture now, and that does not change the fact Ganishka was slained by the sword of dimension, no reason for the monsters to disappear, especially since they were here (even though only scarce) during the Golden Age arc remember when the succubus apeared in the goblins den and all hel broke loose around her? and thats without her actually apearing, just a small fraction of her through an innefecient medium | ||
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Osmoses
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 03 2015 03:54 Osmoses wrote: That doesn't really prove a thing :p okay fine, all the massive amounts of monsters suddenly apearing has absolutely nothing to do with Griffith despite it all happening once he apeared and the tower place getting so crazy chaotic during his birth | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
 Guts was after apostles and didnt care about how many innocent people died in the process. | ||
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