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On April 25 2016 22:21 disciple wrote:
I bet the Dorne storyline was rewritten based on feedback from the previous season + maybe some reassurance from GRRM that Dorne goes nowhere and is insignificant for the characters in the endgame
I mean what does that even mean? It is quite clear that there will be another dance of dragons with Dany against Aegon and Dorne will support Aegon.
How is that not relevant? It will shape Dany, Westeros, everything. It isn't too surprising that Characters added in the later books probably won't be the "main characers" , that doesn't make them insignificant at all though. A complex story is made by its details, if we wanna reduce it to the absolute most basic things (like who lives and who dies) then yeah sure maybe the Martells won't have the crown at the end. But that's hardly all that surprising to begin with.
On April 25 2016 22:16 KadaverBB wrote:I predict this thread will be salty the entire season and will be uncomfortable to read 
Define it as salty if you want to, but being fine with everything no matter what is way worse imo.
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Shouldn't Theon and Sansa be dead of hypothermia minutes after wading above the waist deep through an icy cold river in icy cold weather? Especially with the frigid wind battering their soaking wet clothes?
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On April 25 2016 22:21 disciple wrote:
I bet the Dorne storyline was rewritten based on feedback from the previous season + maybe some reassurance from GRRM that Dorne goes nowhere and is insignificant for the characters in the endgame
If that was true they should have cut Dorne all together after Oberyn's death. So many characters and scenes have to be cut or drastically reduced for the show, and they make time for this garbage story line? If Doran's guards hated him so much, why did the sand snakes get imprisoned in the first place? What's changed since Doran had the authority to imprison them, and his guards turning a blind eye to his murder? It feels like I'm watching a GoT parody.
On April 25 2016 22:53 Thorakh wrote:
Shouldn't Theon and Sansa be dead of hypothermia minutes after wading above the waist deep through an icy cold river in icy cold weather? Especially with the frigid wind battering their soaking wet clothes?
Obviously saving Sansa from frostbite or hypothermia was way lower on the priority list to swearing an oath. But to be fair to Brienne, Sansa wasn't even shivering at that point.
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On April 25 2016 22:16 KadaverBB wrote:I predict this thread will be salty the entire season and will be uncomfortable to read
I feel like all books/show threads combined will turn to this. I am not surprised at the "anger", but I liked the episode, thought it was a fine opener for the season. The Dorne Plotline is pretty dull, but so was the books version and that one extended forever it felt like.
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On April 25 2016 23:10 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 22:16 KadaverBB wrote:I predict this thread will be salty the entire season and will be uncomfortable to read I feel like all books/show threads combined will turn to this. I am not surprised at the "anger", but I liked the episode, thought it was a fine opener for the season. The Dorne Plotline is pretty dull, but so was the books version and that one extended forever it felt like.
If you really cannot see a quality difference between show!Dorne and book!Dorne in thematic depth, logic, characters, worldbuilding, etc despite apparently not enjoying it a whole lot then there is literally no basis to argue.
I cannot even imagine how someone could think Dorne is about equal in quality, it's really that absurd, yes insane to me.
This sounds condescending and maybe it is, but holy damn -.-
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On April 25 2016 22:53 Thorakh wrote:
Shouldn't Theon and Sansa be dead of hypothermia minutes after wading above the waist deep through an icy cold river in icy cold weather? Especially with the frigid wind battering their soaking wet clothes?
It's not like they're in the Antarctic, and those should be real furs she's wearing. Fur is kind of amazingly warming.
As soon as she got out of the water, she was safe from that, really.
I thought it was a great episode really, especially the Brienne rescue. It really hits me in the feels when I can no longer know ahead of time what happens to these characters, and the acting was superb.
I can get why people don't like the Dorne plot, but I never cared much for the Dorne characters in the books either. The plot holes in the episode are exaggerated and explainable. I am definitely sensing a great deal of hipster too-cool-for-that-popular-thing going on with this show now, combined with the usual books-are-always-better thing.
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Thoughts on this episode:
-Dorne: WTF, way to butcher the story and GJ on the teleporting sandsnakes
-The wall: Cool that Davos is protecting Jon with his friends, fuck you Ser Alliser and Olly
-The north: Sansa's coat must be +5 chill resistance, and Brienne seems to have located a Stark GPS all of a sudden
-Melisandre reveal pretty well done
-Dany part was good
-Jora the explorer and Dario pretty meh
-Tyrion/Varys banter is always good
-Can't wait to see more of the faith vs. Tommen/Lannister/Highgarden - Hoping the high sparrow comes out on top
-Really waiting for some Ironborn action as well
-Really hoping that a dragon will save Dany instead of Jora the explorer and Naharis
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On April 25 2016 23:47 Grovbolle wrote:
Thoughts on this episode:
-Dorne: WTF, way to butcher the story and GJ on the teleporting sandsnakes
-The wall: Cool that Davos is protecting Jon with his friends, fuck you Ser Alliser and Olly
-The north: Sansa's coat must be +5 chill resistance, and Brienne seems to have located a Stark GPS all of a sudden
-Melisandre reveal pretty well done
-Dany part was good
-Jora the explorer and Dario pretty meh
-Tyrion/Varys banter is always good
-Can't wait to see more of the faith vs. Tommen/Lannister/Highgarden - Hoping the high sparrow comes out on top
-Really waiting for some Ironborn action as well
-Really hoping that a dragon will save Dany instead of Jora the explorer and Naharis
Dorne is just shit in the show I accepted that long ago. Thankfully it doesn't look like we will be spending much time there this season.
Layered with real fur and shit Sansa should be okay, not exactly comfortable but not dying either. Plus I'm guessing Brienne just followed the loud ass barking dogs and scremaing men trying to find Sansa and Theon.
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On April 25 2016 22:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 22:21 disciple wrote:
I bet the Dorne storyline was rewritten based on feedback from the previous season + maybe some reassurance from GRRM that Dorne goes nowhere and is insignificant for the characters in the endgame I mean what does that even mean? It is quite clear that there will be another dance of dragons with Dany against Aegon and Dorne will support Aegon. How is that not relevant? It will shape Dany, Westeros, everything. It isn't too surprising that Characters added in the later books probably won't be the "main characers" , that doesn't make them insignificant at all though. A complex story is made by its details, if we wanna reduce it to the absolute most basic things (like who lives and who dies) then yeah sure maybe the Martells won't have the crown at the end. But that's hardly all that surprising to begin with.
From actual story perspective it doesn't matter when someone is brought in. A great example would be Aragorn from LOTR. He is a main character almost from the start of the book but in terms of him becoming a center piece in the story, that doesn't happen until half-way into the trilogy. Imagine yourself being a citizen of Gondor, or any other kingdom for that matter. Would you know Aragorn even exists before the events in the third book? Possibly, from gossip, but his existence won't be relevant in any way to you up to the point when he shows up with his undead army and decides to become king again. Similar logic could be followed for the agendas of all houses in GoT and to me it doesn't matter when characters get introduced - that means nothing for their significance in the 'end game'. I'm sure grrm has great stuff in store for Dorne, but the show runners want to reach perhaps a different point with their writing - one that Dorne is simply no factor of.
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Yeah, I don't get the hate for that scene, seems plausible that Brienne and Pod would be able to find a hunting party that large. I understand that people are annoyed by how Brienne is kind of a superhero in a show without superheroes, but come on, Jaime killed six people at once in the book as well, and she is almost as good as he is (was). I don't think it's that outlandish that with the surprise factor on her side, she'd be able to kill a couple of random Jabronis.
The rest of it... Oh well... I liked Alliser Thorne's justification for killing the Lord Commander, that seemed believable and in line with the character from both the book and the show. A reminder that in the books, characters aren't black or white.
Dorne... WTF, this looks like a stupid parody / comic relief. I'm not sure if the people who made the subtitles for the Dothraki scenes were taking the piss, but boy howdy, that was awful.
Reading the graffiti in the Roman alphabet (even in English!) was absurd.
Oh, and surely there literally 0 shock factor in the show when they tell Dany she has to go the Dosh Khaleen in Vaes Dothrak, nobody even knows what that is. How many of the show viewers will go "Oh shit, that was maybe mentioned incidentally in season 1!"
I'm afraid GRRM will look at this show know, realise his legacy is ruined anyway so he won't give a shit about the books anymore.
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I'm not really surprised by what happened with Dorne. If fake Aegon isn't going to be included in the TV series, then what's the point? What we're seeing is an acceleration of the Dorne plotline to the point where I guess it will eventually end up. Yes, this is crude, but it makes sense in light of GRRM's penchant to (perhaps needlessly) balloon the number of arcs in the story line. And I don't really see the problem with the Sand Snakes showing up in Kings Landing to kill Trystan. There's no reason why they couldn't have taken another boat after the Lannisters left.
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Enjoyed the episode, glad to be seeing GoT again, fuck the haters.
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On April 26 2016 01:43 Laurens wrote:
Enjoyed the episode, glad to be seeing GoT again, fuck the haters.
Yeah fuck those guys with actual reasonings for their beliefs
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On April 26 2016 01:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 01:43 Laurens wrote:
Enjoyed the episode, glad to be seeing GoT again, fuck the haters. Yeah fuck those guys with actual reasonings for their beliefs
Yep, fuck em.
This episode was really good. One of the funniest so far. I was cracking up at Tyrion + Varys, Tyrion + beggar baby, Davos and his mutton, Pod and Sansa, even Dany had a great/funny scene for once. Then there were the traditional gory/unexpected scenes such as Trystane suddenly having a spear through his head and Melisandre. Top episode.
But of course the haters have to latch on to 1 or 2 scenes they don't like and complain loudly.
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On April 25 2016 23:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:10 blade55555 wrote:On April 25 2016 22:16 KadaverBB wrote:I predict this thread will be salty the entire season and will be uncomfortable to read I feel like all books/show threads combined will turn to this. I am not surprised at the "anger", but I liked the episode, thought it was a fine opener for the season. The Dorne Plotline is pretty dull, but so was the books version and that one extended forever it felt like. If you really cannot see a quality difference between show!Dorne and book!Dorne in thematic depth, logic, characters, worldbuilding, etc despite apparently not enjoying it a whole lot then there is literally no basis to argue. I cannot even imagine how someone could think Dorne is about equal in quality, it's really that absurd, yes insane to me. This sounds condescending and maybe it is, but holy damn -.-
Sorry let me be more clear. I thought they were both awful and boring. The difference is at least there isn't as much dedicated plotline to the dorne plot in the show. The book one felt like it went forever and seemed so stupid. I hate both versions, only nice thing about the shows version is it's very little screen time and hopefully has very little for the rest of the season.
On April 26 2016 02:00 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 01:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:On April 26 2016 01:43 Laurens wrote:
Enjoyed the episode, glad to be seeing GoT again, fuck the haters. Yeah fuck those guys with actual reasonings for their beliefs Yep, fuck em. This episode was really good. One of the funniest so far. I was cracking up at Tyrion + Varys, Tyrion + beggar baby, Davos and his mutton, Pod and Sansa, even Dany had a great/funny scene for once. Then there were the traditional gory/unexpected scenes such as Trystane suddenly having a spear through his head and Melisandre. Top episode. But of course the haters have to latch on to 1 or 2 scenes they don't like and complain loudly.
Agreed. I can understand not liking some parts like Dorne, but the amount of complaining is lol worthy.
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On April 26 2016 02:03 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:On April 25 2016 23:10 blade55555 wrote:On April 25 2016 22:16 KadaverBB wrote:I predict this thread will be salty the entire season and will be uncomfortable to read I feel like all books/show threads combined will turn to this. I am not surprised at the "anger", but I liked the episode, thought it was a fine opener for the season. The Dorne Plotline is pretty dull, but so was the books version and that one extended forever it felt like. If you really cannot see a quality difference between show!Dorne and book!Dorne in thematic depth, logic, characters, worldbuilding, etc despite apparently not enjoying it a whole lot then there is literally no basis to argue. I cannot even imagine how someone could think Dorne is about equal in quality, it's really that absurd, yes insane to me. This sounds condescending and maybe it is, but holy damn -.- Sorry let me be more clear. I thought they were both awful and boring. The difference is at least there isn't as much dedicated plotline to the dorne plot in the show. The book one felt like it went forever and seemed so stupid. I hate both versions, only nice thing about the shows version is it's very little screen time and hopefully has very little for the rest of the season.
Yes, Book Dorne was fucking painful, too. I'm not sad to see it so severely curtailed. Frankly, everything that was introduced since the conclusion of A Storm of Swords has been mediocre at best and outright boring at worst. Both Books 4 and 5 were largely tedious. I think GRRM gets more credit than he deserves as an author.
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Pretty good episode overall.
Of course Dorne went full Dorne and there were some other plot holes as well. And not all the dialogue was that great. Overall the comments are pretty fun reading though, starting from the teleporting Sand Snakes.
At this point expecting to see the books transferred to film word for word (or even plot for plot) seems like a masochistic way to watch. And complaining that the writing is only good when it's from the books seems silly as well when some of the best parts of the early seasons were added for the show. Like the expanded role for Tywin.
I think there's hope that this season will be better than the uneven season 5.
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Yea, I have to say I honestly enjoyed Dany's scene with the Dothraki horde, and all of the scenes in the North, from Winterfell, outside of Winterfell, and the Wall.
I did lol @ the realization that the message in Meereen was written in English/Common Tongue lol.
I'm not so sure how I still feel about "Boo hoo Wildling on the Wall". It's a legit argument in the books, but Jon and a few Crow Bros just witnessed Hardhome sooooooo, these Wildlings were going to come to the Wall anyway. Why not have them as the front line fodder if you hate em so much?
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If the writers hate Dorne, cut it all together like they did with Lady Stoneheart and a number of other story lines they didn't have time for. As it stands, I expect significantly more Sandsnake Dorne going forward, not less.
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On April 26 2016 02:46 karazax wrote:
If the writers hate Dorne, cut it all together like they did with Lady Stoneheart and a number of other story lines they didn't have time for. As it stands, I expect significantly more Sandsnake Dorne going forward, not less.
I suspect that Dorne is going to have a major role in however the story ends up, which is why it is included. Maybe the Sand Snakes will be the downfall of the Lannisters.
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