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On April 26 2016 09:23 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 05:02 Cricketer12 wrote:
Im curious, what plot are you guys most excited for in Winds? Personally I'm excited to see if Alayne will play fully into LF's plans or if she will have the last laugh. Especially with Randa in the mix... The big one has to be the reveal about whatever nuance or downright world view shattering thing happens around learning what the Other's deal is. Littlefinger and Doran's schemes are top among the plots for which we already know a reasonable amount. Still significantly into Tyrion too. I don't mind that he's gone to the dark side. An anti-villain at GRRM's character quality sounds like a great path for Tyrion (and Arya, and Dany, and Jaime...so maybe it is too dangerous to use terms like that in asoiaf). Obligatory "Dragons and Arya are cool too; which will have the bigger body count by the end?".
Dany has been consistently boring and Arya hasn't been good since she left Westeros. But yea the plots and Tyrion will be fun to see. Should it come to it, which I think it will, I am really interested in seeing how Tyrion convinces Barristan that he can be trusted.
As far as the Others are concerned, I am pretty sure their sole purpose is to balance fire, but who knows for sure.
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Jaime is a disaster as far as adapting his character from the books. The sand snake stuff makes no sense in the context of the show.
Likewise it makes no sense that the Boltons would rebel against the Lannisters to marry Sansa to Ramsey, when the Lannisters were the ones who legitimized Ramsey in the first place, and it was their power and decree that made them wardens of the north. Especially when the show makes no effort to show these other northern lords that the marriage is meant to placate as any sort of threat or presence.
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Do you guys think we'll see Sam or maybe even his father in this season?
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We know the answer based on casting. + Show Spoiler +
We also pretty much know Jon is going to be resurrected now, if there was any doubt. Otherwise it makes zero sense that they would be guarding his corpse or why they didn't all leave with Ed to get the wildlings.
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On April 26 2016 10:14 karazax wrote:
Jaime is a disaster as far as adapting his character from the books. The sand snake stuff makes no sense in the context of the show.
Likewise it makes no sense that the Boltons would rebel against the Lannisters to marry Sansa to Ramsey, when the Lannisters were the ones who legitimized Ramsey in the first place, and it was their power and decree that made them wardens of the north. Especially when the show makes no effort to show these other northern lords that the marriage is meant to placate as any sort of threat or presence.
I want to give up on Jamie but every time I do I watch that scene in the baths with brennie.
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I would give this episode an 7/10. But since I can't pretend that the Dorne scene hasn't happened, I give it a 4/10.
That was beyond retarded, even by the (show) dornish standard.
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Fuck that Dorne scene was awful. Someone needs to slap D&D across the face.
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I think Jaime will spend 1, max 2 more episodes in KL and they will do his Riverlands adventures like in the books. They could still do the cliffhanger as well, but instead of LSH have Vargo's band catch Brienne.
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On April 26 2016 22:03 disciple wrote:
I think Jaime will spend 1, max 2 more episodes in KL and they will do his Riverlands adventures like in the books. They could still do the cliffhanger as well, but instead of LSH have Vargo's band catch Brienne.
Why would Vargo stop hanging her? He has all reason to kill her, and none to spare her. Far more likely that she and Sansa hook up with BwB on their way to the Blackfish.
Also, the episode sucked. Mainly due to the utterly retarded way they are treating Drone. What a waste of both screen time and interesting characters. Can't believe I'll root for Cersei in a clash :/
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I have to agree with what most people have said, i have zero trust in the writing capabilities of apparantly D&D. They have canabalized the story to get some cheap classical TV-moments out of the show and dropped all continuity, logic and world building in favor of that. You could forgive the plotholes, the teleporting, the convenience, if the actual scenes would be constantly good. But they are not. They are not all bad, but some are just really bad. Dorne.
The most annoying thing though, is to not know which parts are just invented by the writers and which parts are taken and slightly changed from GRRM. If GRRM does not burn Shireen at the stake, i will lose all my respect for D&D. If he does, i might be even more pissed at GRRM for his spiral of shock. In the end, i hate the show less for it's content and more for the chance that the books have drfted in this territory as well.
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I kinda expected a Dorne shitshow the moment they decided to cut Arianne from the show but kept the Sand Snakes. For a series that tries to keep the politics grounded in the roughly historical early medieval ages, it was a wtf moment.
Book Dorne and Dany were drawn out but I'm still interested in the resolution. It's book Ironborn that bored me and I found almost all the characters unlikable. Maybe Euron would be interesting if he really turns out to be Pyat Pree in disguise or something. I disliked the whole culture and setup of the Ironborn. Aeron just needs to die. His POV chapters are such a pain to read.
My biggest interest in book 6 going forward is the whole ice and fire thing (so Bran+Jon ice storyline and the Dany+Tyrion fire storyline).
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I really never understood the sandsnakes and why they got so much focus put onto them. About everything they do is cringeworthy. And I am extremely deisappointed that GRRM didn't tell D&D to "cut it out". But he probably has no say in it...
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So why is Roose so concerned about a Lannister invasion? The Lannisters have their own share of problems and no army can get past the neck. They could try a naval invasion but Winterfell is a landlocked castle. And didn't the entire Lannister fleet get stolen? Point is, Roose is far too concerned about the south and should be more concerned about the North ganging up on him.
Also if Sansa was impregnated by Ramsay, her child will be the heir to both the Bolton and Stark houses. Sansa, by surrogate, can become one of the most powerful lords in Westeros.
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On April 27 2016 02:12 Hyperbola wrote:
So why is Roose so concerned about a Lannister invasion? The Lannisters have their own share of problems and no army can get past the neck. They could try a naval invasion but Winterfell is a landlocked castle. And didn't the entire Lannister fleet get stolen? Point is, Roose is far too concerned about the south and should be more concerned about the North ganging up on him.
Also if Sansa was impregnated by Ramsay, her child will be the heir to both the Bolton and Stark houses. Sansa, by surrogate, can become one of the most powerful lords in Westeros.
I hadn't thought about that, but if he delegitimizes Ramsay wouldn't her child still only be a Stark? He hinted that he was contemplating drastic measures when he wished for Lady Walda to have a boy. Of course, who knows what Ramsay will be capable of he he feels his pending lordship threatened in any way.
I agree with you regarding the real threat to the Boltons. I think they have even hinted as much in the show that with Winter fast approaching, any invasion from the south would have to wait until Spring anyways, and given the length of Summer that is probably many years off. He should be focused on surviving Winter and holding off the other Northern lords and the Wildlings before he worries about the Lannisters.
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Her child would be a Snow
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On April 27 2016 02:36 Sent. wrote:
Her child would be a Snow
No. Sansa and Ramsay were married. Her child would be a legitimate child of that union.
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Yes but if Ramsay gets delegitimized (is it even possible?) he's no longer a Bolton, which means he's a Snow and his child should also be a Snow, unless Westeros has some special laws about bastards getting new names when they start a new family
Oh, maybe I misunderstood. I didn't mean to say that the child won't be able to inherit Sansa's titles. I was talking only about it's name
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On April 25 2016 22:21 disciple wrote:
I bet the Dorne storyline was rewritten based on feedback from the previous season + maybe some reassurance from GRRM that Dorne goes nowhere and is insignificant for the characters in the endgame
Basically this ^
Also if you guys want some good fantasy books while waiting for the next book, I strongly recommend Brandon Sanderson. Guy writes like a madman (both in quantity and quality).
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On April 27 2016 02:39 Sent. wrote:
Yes but if Ramsay gets delegitimized (is it even possible?) he's no longer a Bolton, which means he's a Snow and his child should also be a Snow, unless Westeros has some special laws about bastards getting new names when they start a new family
Oh, maybe I misunderstood. I didn't mean to say that the child won't be able to inherit Sansa's titles. I was talking only about it's name
Sansa's legitimate son would be the male heir to the Stark line. While this is all speculative I imagine he'd go by the Stark name, regardless of the normal convention.
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On April 27 2016 03:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 02:39 Sent. wrote:
Yes but if Ramsay gets delegitimized (is it even possible?) he's no longer a Bolton, which means he's a Snow and his child should also be a Snow, unless Westeros has some special laws about bastards getting new names when they start a new family
Oh, maybe I misunderstood. I didn't mean to say that the child won't be able to inherit Sansa's titles. I was talking only about it's name Sansa's legitimate son would be the male heir to the Stark line. While this is all speculative I imagine he'd go by the Stark name, regardless of the normal convention.
Actually, I suspect Sansa would stick a coathanger up her vagina, or taking whatever special herb mixes some of those hedge witches peddle, before letting it get that far. If, however, she carried the baby to term, I would think she'd strangle it with its umbilical chord and call it a terrible tragedy.
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