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On June 17 2014 13:29 Jonoman92 wrote:lol, well they had to have some resistance, thought it was fine.. I thought most everything was fine, as good as it could be given the preceding episodes. I understand why the Tysha background wasn't included. That said, the whole scenario relying on him loving Shea as his impetus just pales in comparison. Shea betrayed him, whereas Tysha loved him, and never wronged him (of course, their time together didn't last long.) Then there's the whole being lied to for half his life in a way that tortured his soul... Gah, no other difference has irked me like this. Really destroying my world here.
And Jaime being bothered by the thoughts of Cersei doing it with Moon Boy.
I can't believe they removed "And Moon Boy for all I know"
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How did Stannis Baratheon army reach the North to fight the wildlings? Did he set sail from Dragonstone? Is that correct? And if so why didn't the wildlings build ships to cross over sideways to reach the North of Winterfell land?
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If I recall the books correctly, Stannis sailed up to Eastwatch (the NW castle that's next to the sea) and went out the wall there and marched with some forces from East Watch.
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Building ships to ferry over a hundred thousand people, including livestock and giants is a massive feat of engineering that wildlings aren't really capable of.
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I liked the finale especially Arya scene, I didn't mind the skeletons, but Tyrion scenes felt rushed and Stannis fight too, weren't the wildlings supposed to be 100k ?
I guess they didn't have enough time..
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On June 17 2014 17:19 Angel[BTL] wrote:
How did Stannis Baratheon army reach the North to fight the wildlings? Did he set sail from Dragonstone? Is that correct? And if so why didn't the wildlings build ships to cross over sideways to reach the North of Winterfell land?
IIRC the wall reaches a fair bit out from land, and there's a castle at the very end. Wildlings aren't ship builders, nor are they sailors, so sailing in poor conditions to hide people is out of the question. If you get seen on the way, and they have rangers waiting for you to land, you die if you keep going south. You have to remember that this is the frigid ocean, a simple raft won't do. You need an actual highwalled dinghy at minimum. Also couldn't possibly build enough of them to carry 100,000 people, and definitely not a mammoth. Building anything that could carry a mammoth(10 tons?) would take actual shipbuilding experience, and large trees, which are certainly not in abundance that far up north.
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On June 17 2014 19:07 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 17:19 Angel[BTL] wrote:
How did Stannis Baratheon army reach the North to fight the wildlings? Did he set sail from Dragonstone? Is that correct? And if so why didn't the wildlings build ships to cross over sideways to reach the North of Winterfell land? IIRC the wall reaches a fair bit out from land, and there's a castle at the very end. Wildlings aren't ship builders, nor are they sailors, so sailing in poor conditions to hide people is out of the question. If you get seen on the way, and they have rangers waiting for you to land, you die if you keep going south. You have to remember that this is the frigid ocean, a simple raft won't do. You need an actual highwalled dinghy at minimum. Also couldn't possibly build enough of them to carry 100,000 people, and definitely not a mammoth. Building anything that could carry a mammoth(10 tons?) would take actual shipbuilding experience, and large trees, which are certainly not in abundance that far up north.
As well as tools like Axes, Hammers, Saws etc. Not the weapon kind
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On June 17 2014 14:23 GWdeathscythe wrote:
No "you don't shit gold after all" reference in Tywin murderer? damn I'm so frustrated, I was waiting for this moment for so long.
Putting that line in the show would have been one of the worst things they could ever done. It's the last line in the chapter, and it works there because it's not part of the dialogue. Not to mention that it's common knowledge at that point that there's a saying about the Lannisters, something that's only mentioned once in the show (if I remember correctly). Having Tyrion say that would make him look like a stupid 80s action film figure who throws around cheesy catchphrases, completely destroying all the tension they have built up until that point.
This is a prime example of the producers not including something from the books because it would never, ever work in the show.
On June 17 2014 16:41 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 08:13 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 08:02 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That the unsullied and other non-readers rate it highly but almost all the readers are at least partially grumbling about disappointment is probably the strongest statement to date of how far the show is from the books. In a vacuum it looks really good, but in the context of knowing an alternative it looks mediocre. That is a pretty big separation. I was thinking about that, too. Hell, even /r/asoiaf is up in arms about everything (especially LSH). Usually they're the voice of reason, but now they're worse than some ragers here. Man. And it's just going to get worse. The show is going to deviate more from the books, characters will change, motivations will change, actions will change. And the book readers are going to hate all of that, no matter whether, on its own, it is perfectly fine, or even genuinely good, or even better than the books (which to most seems to be literally impossible). I really don't understand how people can watch the show and expect it to be like the books. Now at the latest they should realize that that's just not going to happen, and if you can't live with that, the best idea is to stop watching the show. Or, alternatively, watch the show as its own entity and rate it as such. It's a perfectly fine show. In fact, it's one of the best shows around right now, hands down. Similarly, I find it absolutely hilarious how popular Stannis has become among the unsullied thanks to the last episode. Man, some book readers must be fuming about how people dare to like show Stannis so much. Why would book readers be fuming about how much people are liking show Stannis now? The main gripe among a lot of book readers is that Stannis is portrayed too negatively in the show and thus isn't liked enough amongst the show-only people.
Look at the other thread, look at reddit. The unsullied love Stannis now. How dare they love such a badly adapted character. 
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On June 17 2014 16:39 Ketch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 14:37 GWdeathscythe wrote:
All they know is that a little girl is able to shoot fireballs with her hands and lives under a white tree. It seemed to me like she was throwing some medieval grenade, not actually shooting fireballs. What do you guys think?
maybe they were melf's minute meteors
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On June 17 2014 19:37 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 14:23 GWdeathscythe wrote:
No "you don't shit gold after all" reference in Tywin murderer? damn I'm so frustrated, I was waiting for this moment for so long. Putting that line in the show would have been one of the worst things they could ever done. It's the last line in the chapter, and it works there because it's not part of the dialogue. Not to mention that it's common knowledge at that point that there's a saying about the Lannisters, something that's only mentioned once in the show (if I remember correctly). Having Tyrion say that would make him look like a stupid 80s action film figure who throws around cheesy catchphrases, completely destroying all the tension they have built up until that point. This is a prime example of the producers not including something from the books because it would never, ever work in the show. Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 16:41 HolyArrow wrote:On June 17 2014 08:13 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 08:02 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That the unsullied and other non-readers rate it highly but almost all the readers are at least partially grumbling about disappointment is probably the strongest statement to date of how far the show is from the books. In a vacuum it looks really good, but in the context of knowing an alternative it looks mediocre. That is a pretty big separation. I was thinking about that, too. Hell, even /r/asoiaf is up in arms about everything (especially LSH). Usually they're the voice of reason, but now they're worse than some ragers here. Man. And it's just going to get worse. The show is going to deviate more from the books, characters will change, motivations will change, actions will change. And the book readers are going to hate all of that, no matter whether, on its own, it is perfectly fine, or even genuinely good, or even better than the books (which to most seems to be literally impossible). I really don't understand how people can watch the show and expect it to be like the books. Now at the latest they should realize that that's just not going to happen, and if you can't live with that, the best idea is to stop watching the show. Or, alternatively, watch the show as its own entity and rate it as such. It's a perfectly fine show. In fact, it's one of the best shows around right now, hands down. Similarly, I find it absolutely hilarious how popular Stannis has become among the unsullied thanks to the last episode. Man, some book readers must be fuming about how people dare to like show Stannis so much. Why would book readers be fuming about how much people are liking show Stannis now? The main gripe among a lot of book readers is that Stannis is portrayed too negatively in the show and thus isn't liked enough amongst the show-only people. Look at the other thread, look at reddit. The unsullied love Stannis now. How dare they love such a badly adapted character.
Majority of viewers would like the line, many wouldn't care anyone annoyed forgets by next season.It might set a different tone but to be honest I didn't feel much tension in that scene because the build up to it was rushed and didn't make a whole lot of sense
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On May 12 2014 14:51 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 14:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
Trial was beautifully done, Dinklage IS fucking Tyrion Lannister.
The whole relationship between Jaime and Tyrion is being played out VERY differently from the book. I wonder what this going to mean later when Jaime comes to regret setting him free. What makes you say Jamie ever regretted setting Tyrion free? On that note, I never liked in the book how Tyrion lied to Jamie about killing his son. It just felt like forced drama.
So back in May I said I hated that in the book Tyrion lied to Jamie. I am so glad they changed it in the show.
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On June 17 2014 22:46 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 19:37 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 14:23 GWdeathscythe wrote:
No "you don't shit gold after all" reference in Tywin murderer? damn I'm so frustrated, I was waiting for this moment for so long. Putting that line in the show would have been one of the worst things they could ever done. It's the last line in the chapter, and it works there because it's not part of the dialogue. Not to mention that it's common knowledge at that point that there's a saying about the Lannisters, something that's only mentioned once in the show (if I remember correctly). Having Tyrion say that would make him look like a stupid 80s action film figure who throws around cheesy catchphrases, completely destroying all the tension they have built up until that point. This is a prime example of the producers not including something from the books because it would never, ever work in the show. On June 17 2014 16:41 HolyArrow wrote:On June 17 2014 08:13 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 08:02 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That the unsullied and other non-readers rate it highly but almost all the readers are at least partially grumbling about disappointment is probably the strongest statement to date of how far the show is from the books. In a vacuum it looks really good, but in the context of knowing an alternative it looks mediocre. That is a pretty big separation. I was thinking about that, too. Hell, even /r/asoiaf is up in arms about everything (especially LSH). Usually they're the voice of reason, but now they're worse than some ragers here. Man. And it's just going to get worse. The show is going to deviate more from the books, characters will change, motivations will change, actions will change. And the book readers are going to hate all of that, no matter whether, on its own, it is perfectly fine, or even genuinely good, or even better than the books (which to most seems to be literally impossible). I really don't understand how people can watch the show and expect it to be like the books. Now at the latest they should realize that that's just not going to happen, and if you can't live with that, the best idea is to stop watching the show. Or, alternatively, watch the show as its own entity and rate it as such. It's a perfectly fine show. In fact, it's one of the best shows around right now, hands down. Similarly, I find it absolutely hilarious how popular Stannis has become among the unsullied thanks to the last episode. Man, some book readers must be fuming about how people dare to like show Stannis so much. Why would book readers be fuming about how much people are liking show Stannis now? The main gripe among a lot of book readers is that Stannis is portrayed too negatively in the show and thus isn't liked enough amongst the show-only people. Look at the other thread, look at reddit. The unsullied love Stannis now. How dare they love such a badly adapted character. Majority of viewers would like the line, many wouldn't care anyone annoyed forgets by next season.It might set a different tone but to be honest I didn't feel much tension in that scene because the build up to it was rushed and didn't make a whole lot of sense
Come on. The vast majority of the viewers wouldn't even know what the hell Tyrion was talking about. People would be either confused or indifferent about that line, and it would simply be bad writing ruining a scene, nothing else.
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I would agree with Conti. The line, as great as it is, would be out of place. Tyrion thinks it to himself in the books, and it was only ever mentioned once in the show - by Robb Stark, when he sent back the scout who was counting his army.
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On June 17 2014 16:54 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 13:29 Jonoman92 wrote:On June 17 2014 10:56 Hyperbola wrote:Who else loooved the skeleton fight? It was so epic! With fireballs and little kids! And hodor! LOL + Show Spoiler + lol, well they had to have some resistance, thought it was fine.. I thought most everything was fine, as good as it could be given the preceding episodes. I understand why the Tysha background wasn't included. That said, the whole scenario relying on him loving Shea as his impetus just pales in comparison. Shea betrayed him, whereas Tysha loved him, and never wronged him (of course, their time together didn't last long.) Then there's the whole being lied to for half his life in a way that tortured his soul... Gah, no other difference has irked me like this. Really destroying my world here. I can't believe they removed "And Moon Boy for all I know"
thissss... fuck i've been making bad jokes with that line for years and now none of my friends will get it.
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On June 17 2014 05:18 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 04:25 TheFish7 wrote:
You're in the wrong thread karazax, if you want the answers to all those questions you've been asking we'll give them to you but know that all the answers will come from the books and not from the show where they did a crappy job explaining them. I read the books and I don't know the answer to these questions. Nor do most others I expect, the white walkers and their powers of necromancy are still quite unexplained I thought.
Well if you're looking for answers to the things that didn't happen in the books and only in the show I don't consider that canon so there isn't anything to answer. The skeletons thing never happened in my mind, it was wights instead and coldhands helped them without using fire-grenades. What the others magics are and where they come from is unknown. We do know that the maesters have banned the study of necromancy. We know that the night's king gave his soul to the great other and committed atrocities. We know that there may be undead in old Valyria from one of Tyrion's chapters as well, so there may be a connection there.
Any of the questions we can't answer from the books only exist because they changed something from the books to the show and that change didn't make any sense.
On June 17 2014 01:50 karazax wrote:
There were a lot of things that didn't make sense to me in this episode.
How did Tyrion know there was a secret passage to Tywin's chambers? How did he find it from where he was?
Varys indirectly showed him the secret passage to the hand's chambers when sneaking shae in and out. Tyrion also smuggled himself in and out of the red keep on occasion using the tunnels
Why is he sorry he killed Shae? She was trying to kill him with the dagger, she betrayed him at the trial, and she was sleeping with his dad. Why does he care if Tywin calls her a whore considering all those facts? Sentencing Tyrion to death for a crime he didn't commit is reason for Tyrion to kill Tywin. Calling a whore a whore doesn't seem like such a big deal in context, especially considering Tyrion has called her a whore himself several times in the last few episodes.
He is sorry because he loved her. He disliked Tywin calling her a whore because that's what he called Tysha back in the day and it recalls that trauma. My take is that calling her a whore was just the last straw that broke the camel's back.
Mance has offered 100% peace terms to Jon in exchange for being let thru the gates, and has sent a large force of over a thousand over the wall as they speak. Why doesn't Jon accept their terms? Even if he doesn't believe them, based on the force Mance said he sent over the wall, if the wildlings wanted to kill the Nights Watch they would regardless. They only have like 50 people left! Did Stannis take care of these wildlings too? They never said what happened to them.
Jon never intended to negotiate, just kill Mance to hopefully break apart the Wildling host. The extra wildlings may have been a bluff, or they simply abandon their plans to attack castle black once Stannis moves his forces in.
Why does Tywin give in to Cersei's threat to expose the truth of her relationship with Jaime? All Tywin had to say was “Oh, go ahead—reveal it all, just don’t expect me or my Lannister army to be here any longer if you do, and don’t be surprised at what the Tyrells and Martells will make of your incestuous bastards.”
he is delusional and genuinely does not believe that Cersei and Jaime are doing the nasty.
Cersei would lose her father's backing, her kids would probably be killed, she would no longer be Queen Regent and she would have virtually nothing left. Then when she goes to seduce Jaime, why doesn't she care if someone walks in? Just because Cersei told her father doesn't mean they can suddenly be a couple in public. If someone walks in, then her threat to Tywin to reveal her relationship with Jaime to the realm if Tywin forces her to marry would be moot, because whoever walked in would reveal it. And why is she all the sudden in love with Jaime again, after their last encounter came across like a rape?
There was never a rape, and Cersei is an idiot who believes herself invincible at this point in the story
Carrying over from the last time we saw Arya, the Hound announced to all the guards at the Eyrie who he was and who he had with him and they just let him go? He was a wanted man with a huge bounty on his head, and Arya is a noble captive. Lysa is dead, but Robyn is still Arya's cousin. Nobody even considers holding them until they tell Littlefinger who they have?
This doesn't make sense but neither did it ever happen in the books.
What is Brienne's plan for "saving" Arya if she did come with her? The Hound asked her, and Brienne was willing to fight him for Arya, but she didn't ever say what she would do with her if Arya did come with her. If Brienne doesn't have any where safe to take her and Arya seems to want to stay with the Hound then what's the point?
Brienne will try to uphold her oath to Catelyn at all costs. There are a number of places Brienne could feasibly hide her.
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wherever whores go?
WHEREVER WHORES GO?????
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i was waiting for that line!!!!!!! G_G
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On June 17 2014 23:01 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 22:46 layabout wrote:On June 17 2014 19:37 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 14:23 GWdeathscythe wrote:
No "you don't shit gold after all" reference in Tywin murderer? damn I'm so frustrated, I was waiting for this moment for so long. Putting that line in the show would have been one of the worst things they could ever done. It's the last line in the chapter, and it works there because it's not part of the dialogue. Not to mention that it's common knowledge at that point that there's a saying about the Lannisters, something that's only mentioned once in the show (if I remember correctly). Having Tyrion say that would make him look like a stupid 80s action film figure who throws around cheesy catchphrases, completely destroying all the tension they have built up until that point. This is a prime example of the producers not including something from the books because it would never, ever work in the show. On June 17 2014 16:41 HolyArrow wrote:On June 17 2014 08:13 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 08:02 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That the unsullied and other non-readers rate it highly but almost all the readers are at least partially grumbling about disappointment is probably the strongest statement to date of how far the show is from the books. In a vacuum it looks really good, but in the context of knowing an alternative it looks mediocre. That is a pretty big separation. I was thinking about that, too. Hell, even /r/asoiaf is up in arms about everything (especially LSH). Usually they're the voice of reason, but now they're worse than some ragers here. Man. And it's just going to get worse. The show is going to deviate more from the books, characters will change, motivations will change, actions will change. And the book readers are going to hate all of that, no matter whether, on its own, it is perfectly fine, or even genuinely good, or even better than the books (which to most seems to be literally impossible). I really don't understand how people can watch the show and expect it to be like the books. Now at the latest they should realize that that's just not going to happen, and if you can't live with that, the best idea is to stop watching the show. Or, alternatively, watch the show as its own entity and rate it as such. It's a perfectly fine show. In fact, it's one of the best shows around right now, hands down. Similarly, I find it absolutely hilarious how popular Stannis has become among the unsullied thanks to the last episode. Man, some book readers must be fuming about how people dare to like show Stannis so much. Why would book readers be fuming about how much people are liking show Stannis now? The main gripe among a lot of book readers is that Stannis is portrayed too negatively in the show and thus isn't liked enough amongst the show-only people. Look at the other thread, look at reddit. The unsullied love Stannis now. How dare they love such a badly adapted character. Majority of viewers would like the line, many wouldn't care anyone annoyed forgets by next season.It might set a different tone but to be honest I didn't feel much tension in that scene because the build up to it was rushed and didn't make a whole lot of sense Come on. The vast majority of the viewers wouldn't even know what the hell Tyrion was talking about. People would be either confused or indifferent about that line, and it would simply be bad writing ruining a scene, nothing else.
I think we just have different ideas of the viewers.
From the people I've met a lot just want to see Peter Dinklage delivering sharp and or amusing lines and rather than caring about Shae they see her more as an annoyance. People really liked Oberyn, people liked Olenna who all but disappeared this series and people love Tywin. From the moment Tyrion looks at the crossbow or if you are slower open the toilet door it's obvious that Tywins is going to die. The response to this was either "oh shit" from people that are all about the titties and quips, or just a groan.
Why would they groan? Because instead of running away and escaping (the obvious thing to do) Tyrion mystically knows about a secret passage, there is no presence of any guards a "wtf", shae is there and tries to kill Tyrion another "wtf" Tyrion seems to go down a corridor to find Tywin on the loo a bit of a "wtf" and him killing tywin for calling Shae who was a whore that he killed and that betrayed him a "whore" again "wtf". It also happens really quickly and there isn't a real sense of the anger or nervousness that Tyrion should have. To them it was less tense and dramatic but felt like a cheap way of yet another killing off for the sake of it and now most of the interesting and likable characters are dead or not in kings landing which is the most bit of the show.
So what harm could a throwback to book readers and a cheesy-ish line on top on a great turdheap do? Besides We all know it would have been delivered brilliantly and the show is full of things happening because they are in the books but not quit fitting with the story as told, for instance that entire scene.
+ Show Spoiler +I don't really care much and it's possible my hatred for Shae blinding me
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Could of least of had the "Stannis!" chants as they charged...all I wanted.
Stannis' moment of glory, all done within 3 minutes?
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On June 17 2014 23:57 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 23:01 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 22:46 layabout wrote:On June 17 2014 19:37 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 14:23 GWdeathscythe wrote:
No "you don't shit gold after all" reference in Tywin murderer? damn I'm so frustrated, I was waiting for this moment for so long. Putting that line in the show would have been one of the worst things they could ever done. It's the last line in the chapter, and it works there because it's not part of the dialogue. Not to mention that it's common knowledge at that point that there's a saying about the Lannisters, something that's only mentioned once in the show (if I remember correctly). Having Tyrion say that would make him look like a stupid 80s action film figure who throws around cheesy catchphrases, completely destroying all the tension they have built up until that point. This is a prime example of the producers not including something from the books because it would never, ever work in the show. On June 17 2014 16:41 HolyArrow wrote:On June 17 2014 08:13 Conti wrote:On June 17 2014 08:02 Irrelevant Label wrote:
That the unsullied and other non-readers rate it highly but almost all the readers are at least partially grumbling about disappointment is probably the strongest statement to date of how far the show is from the books. In a vacuum it looks really good, but in the context of knowing an alternative it looks mediocre. That is a pretty big separation. I was thinking about that, too. Hell, even /r/asoiaf is up in arms about everything (especially LSH). Usually they're the voice of reason, but now they're worse than some ragers here. Man. And it's just going to get worse. The show is going to deviate more from the books, characters will change, motivations will change, actions will change. And the book readers are going to hate all of that, no matter whether, on its own, it is perfectly fine, or even genuinely good, or even better than the books (which to most seems to be literally impossible). I really don't understand how people can watch the show and expect it to be like the books. Now at the latest they should realize that that's just not going to happen, and if you can't live with that, the best idea is to stop watching the show. Or, alternatively, watch the show as its own entity and rate it as such. It's a perfectly fine show. In fact, it's one of the best shows around right now, hands down. Similarly, I find it absolutely hilarious how popular Stannis has become among the unsullied thanks to the last episode. Man, some book readers must be fuming about how people dare to like show Stannis so much. Why would book readers be fuming about how much people are liking show Stannis now? The main gripe among a lot of book readers is that Stannis is portrayed too negatively in the show and thus isn't liked enough amongst the show-only people. Look at the other thread, look at reddit. The unsullied love Stannis now. How dare they love such a badly adapted character. Majority of viewers would like the line, many wouldn't care anyone annoyed forgets by next season.It might set a different tone but to be honest I didn't feel much tension in that scene because the build up to it was rushed and didn't make a whole lot of sense Come on. The vast majority of the viewers wouldn't even know what the hell Tyrion was talking about. People would be either confused or indifferent about that line, and it would simply be bad writing ruining a scene, nothing else. I think we just have different ideas of the viewers. From the people I've met a lot just want to see Peter Dinklage delivering sharp and or amusing lines and rather than caring about Shae they see her more as an annoyance. People really liked Oberyn, people liked Olenna who all but disappeared this series and people love Tywin. From the moment Tyrion looks at the crossbow or if you are slower open the toilet door it's obvious that Tywins is going to die. The response to this was either "oh shit" from people that are all about the titties and quips, or just a groan. Why would they groan? Because instead of running away and escaping (the obvious thing to do) Tyrion mystically knows about a secret passage, there is no presence of any guards a "wtf", shae is there and tries to kill Tyrion another "wtf" Tyrion seems to go down a corridor to find Tywin on the loo a bit of a "wtf" and him killing tywin for calling Shae who was a whore that he killed and that betrayed him a "whore" again "wtf". It also happens really quickly and there isn't a real sense of the anger or nervousness that Tyrion should have. To them it was less tense and dramatic but felt like a cheap way of yet another killing off for the sake of it and now most of the interesting and likable characters are dead or not in kings landing which is the most bit of the show. So what harm could a throwback to book readers and a cheesy-ish line on top on a great turdheap do? Besides We all know it would have been delivered brilliantly and the show is full of things happening because they are in the books but not quit fitting with the story as told, for instance that entire scene. + Show Spoiler +I don't really care much and it's possible my hatred for Shae blinding me
Look at the other thread. The people loved the episode. And that includes the Tyrion/Tywin scene. There was no "wtf" going on, and I can assure you that the vast majority saw the tension and the drama and the anger and everything the scene tried to portray. There really was nothing cheap about it (other than the missing guards, I guess. But come to think of it, there were no guards in the books either, right?). The only people who didn't like the scene and the episode are the book readers.
And the problem is still: People would literally have no idea what the hell Tyrion was talking about if he'd say that line. It wouldn't be a nice little throwback for the bookreaders, it would be utter nonsense for the non-book readers. Yes, the saying has been mentioned once in the show, but that's just not enough for such a pivotal scene. You're basically ruining the scene for >80% of the viewers just to make a few book readers happy. And, hell, even then I would vastly prefer Tyrion not saying the line. He didn't say the line in the books, for starters. And it would have been terrible if he had. I just see no way of that ever actually fitting into the scene.
Maybe we'll get some enemies of Tywin in the next episode making that joke. That would be appropriate and funny.
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