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disciple
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On June 17 2014 00:44 GwSC wrote: Recall Sandor's infected bite wound, Arya saying "you should have let me burn it", and mentioning in the previous episode how Sandor was moving more slowly than usual. He was clearly not at full strength, so I'm totally ok with Brienne having the edge. What exactly is the cleganebowl theory? if I remember correctly, the Hound dies in the books while Gregor is turned into that monstrous "what the fuck did that qyburn guy do" frankenstein-monster? nvm, found it: + Show Spoiler [from reddit] + To give you a longer description, it is largely believed that Ser Robert Strong, the mysterious and silent knight who is the newest member of the Kingsguard, is actually the reanimated corpse of Ser Gregor Clegane. He will be Cersei's champion in her upcoming trial against the Faith. A less likely but still popular theory is that the large gravedigger on the Quiet Isle is actually Sandor Clegane, who abandoned his persona as the "Hound" to live a new life. The Cleganebowl theory states that Sandor will be chosen as the Faith's champion in their trial, and therefore finally have the opportunity to fight his brother, Gregor. So, that'd be interesting. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:21 disciple wrote: LHS is lady hearthstone btw darn it and i thought it was lady harstem the entire time. It is also unclear if Zombie Mountain is as strong as alive Mountain. And Sandor Clegane might have some new religious moves that make him better :D Im not sure why Sandor Clegane would return to King's Landing. It makes sense to embrace the faith and leave your warrior life behind but why would you return to that? for revenge? I'd imagined he's a changed man if he humbles himself to be a gravedigger. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2807 Posts
On that subject, there were a couple times this season where it just felt like they ran out of time to do things well. The Stannis invasion is one of them, in part because the execution was godawful (Re: Wildlings can't count) but also because it didn't make any fucking sense. I didn't get the same sense that The Wall has been spending a lot of time crying for help, and I can't remember what Stannis was doing before that allowed him to be at the wall at the exact moment that noone needed him. Couldn't they have had Stannis show up at the wall after the wildlings ally with The Wall, and be all pissy at Jon Snow for allying with traitors and criminals or something, and do his burning Mance Rayder and flaming-sword-show-of-power before he fucks off and dies? The way it sits in the show now, Stannis showed up at The Wall exactly when noone needed him, and successfully high fived Jon Snow like he was his bro, while he obliviously interrupted us from getting to where the books get to later anyways. In other words, he did something apparently unselfish (Not very Stannis) helping someone that didn't need it (Not very Stannis) and then when he got there he asked someone else to make a decision (Not very Stannis). But really, I'm still mad at how shitty that Sansa + Sweetrobin snow castle scene was. Someone was complaining about Jojen + Brann + Meera are the worst actors? I beg to differ. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:58 Fleetfeet wrote: I don't get why people are upset about the skeletons scene. It's cheesey and unthreatening, but entertaining. Just like it is in the books. But it's also really pulpy. I don't like the magic stuff in the book/shows all that much. I just think that most of the time the show feels nearly like historical fiction and then out of the sudden flame throwing kids and skeletons appear. I like the more subtle things like the White Walkers, which are basically more like a 'sword of Damocles' than an actual real threat. In the book it's not such a problem because everything is very drawn out, but on television it's a little weird when a show jumps from serious dialog to high-fantasy mode in a matter of seconds. edit :http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-why-no-lady-stoneheart/ Also a little interview with the director of the final episode about LSH. I feel like it sounds a little like they're going to cut her out of the series completely.(which I wouldn't actually mind that much) | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:02 Irrelevant Label wrote: That the unsullied and other non-readers rate it highly but almost all the readers are at least partially grumbling about disappointment is probably the strongest statement to date of how far the show is from the books. In a vacuum it looks really good, but in the context of knowing an alternative it looks mediocre. That is a pretty big separation. I was thinking about that, too. Hell, even /r/asoiaf is up in arms about everything (especially LSH). Usually they're the voice of reason, but now they're worse than some ragers here. Man. And it's just going to get worse. The show is going to deviate more from the books, characters will change, motivations will change, actions will change. And the book readers are going to hate all of that, no matter whether, on its own, it is perfectly fine, or even genuinely good, or even better than the books (which to most seems to be literally impossible). I really don't understand how people can watch the show and expect it to be like the books. Now at the latest they should realize that that's just not going to happen, and if you can't live with that, the best idea is to stop watching the show. Or, alternatively, watch the show as its own entity and rate it as such. It's a perfectly fine show. In fact, it's one of the best shows around right now, hands down. Similarly, I find it absolutely hilarious how popular Stannis has become among the unsullied thanks to the last episode. Man, some book readers must be fuming about how people dare to like show Stannis so much. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
The show is a show based on the events of the novel. That's a big difference. We should stop crying about differences simply because in the books its not the same. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:02 Irrelevant Label wrote: That the unsullied and other non-readers rate it highly but almost all the readers are at least partially grumbling about disappointment is probably the strongest statement to date of how far the show is from the books. In a vacuum it looks really good, but in the context of knowing an alternative it looks mediocre. That is a pretty big separation. heh, yep. It reminds me of the Red Wedding. I'm glad it still got a lot of "oh shit" reactions from the non-readers and everyone is pleased but there's still this feeling like it could have been so, soooo much better with a few slight changes. The missed opportunities are what bugs me. Not having LSH in s4 isn't going to break the show, but it sure seems like a scene that's made for being a badass cliffhanger to a very eventful season. Not to mention, it heralds the new factions that begin to rise in the aftermath of the war. It drives home the theme of unforeseen consequences this series is known for. A revived and vengeful Catelyn Stark is the last thing I think anyone would have expected to close out this season. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:27 SpiZe wrote: If you still consider the show to be a tv adaptation of the novels, you are gravely mistaken. The show is a show based on the events of the novel. That's a big difference. We should stop crying about differences simply because in the books its not the same. Eh, that's a bit too far. I'd still call it a tv adaptation of the novels based on what we've seen so far. They never really strayed far at all, and a lot of the changes are merely cosmetic or shortcuts to rationalize cast and screen time while still keeping the plot strictly on course. Which is exactly what an adaptation is meant to be doing. Anyway, I thought Zombie Cat was an awful idea in the books, so can't say I'm sad for her being cut (at least for this season). I wish she could be cut entirely tbh, but it appears she has something significant to do.  | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
the fact is, the writers are huge fans of the book just like us and they know the industry to know whats possible and whats not. i find it amazing what they were able to do for a tv show, be very VERY glad it didnt end up like Dune tv adaptation(not that bad tbh). the writers know how the book ends, i trust them fully on how to achieve the end goal, i'm sure george taught them a few things on how he wants it done. i look forward to brienne the tall's character development. much like stannis is better in the books, brienne will be better on tv  | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
but this final...... my god.......it was terrible, so terrible the execution was so TERRIBLE, what the fuck happened? I mean it got the story right (yes with changes w/e), the acting was fine (as usual), but everything was so rushed and poorly executed. And THIS episode is the one that they want to be concidered for an Emmy? i am lost for words, i can't defend this finale at all. Where do i say my vows for the "Bitching Watch"? | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On June 17 2014 10:22 jinorazi wrote: i'm sure george taught them a few things on how he wants it done. I don't know if this one is holding up to the extent readers would prefer. George's responses to the criticism the show has received for a couple of the bad deviations seemed a bit like he was distancing himself from the choices the show made. (Jaime raping Cersei, The Bondification of LF/clumsy version of the purple wedding plot) Reading between the lines, it seemed like he was mentioning how he did it better and taking his hands off rather than standing up for the show. It used to be "well, with a TV show, we needed to..." and now it's more along the lines of "they decided to do some things differently..." | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + kill me | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
On June 17 2014 10:56 Hyperbola wrote: Who else loooved the skeleton fight? It was so epic! With fireballs and little kids! And hodor! LOL + Show Spoiler + kill me lol, well they had to have some resistance, thought it was fine.. I thought most everything was fine, as good as it could be given the preceding episodes. I understand why the Tysha background wasn't included. That said, the whole scenario relying on him loving Shea as his impetus just pales in comparison. Shea betrayed him, whereas Tysha loved him, and never wronged him (of course, their time together didn't last long.) Then there's the whole being lied to for half his life in a way that tortured his soul... Gah, no other difference has irked me like this. Really destroying my world here. | ||
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
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GWdeathscythe
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On June 17 2014 14:37 GWdeathscythe wrote: All they know is that a little girl is able to shoot fireballs with her hands and lives under a white tree. It seemed to me like she was throwing some medieval grenade, not actually shooting fireballs. What do you guys think? | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:13 Conti wrote: I was thinking about that, too. Hell, even /r/asoiaf is up in arms about everything (especially LSH). Usually they're the voice of reason, but now they're worse than some ragers here. Man. And it's just going to get worse. The show is going to deviate more from the books, characters will change, motivations will change, actions will change. And the book readers are going to hate all of that, no matter whether, on its own, it is perfectly fine, or even genuinely good, or even better than the books (which to most seems to be literally impossible). I really don't understand how people can watch the show and expect it to be like the books. Now at the latest they should realize that that's just not going to happen, and if you can't live with that, the best idea is to stop watching the show. Or, alternatively, watch the show as its own entity and rate it as such. It's a perfectly fine show. In fact, it's one of the best shows around right now, hands down. Similarly, I find it absolutely hilarious how popular Stannis has become among the unsullied thanks to the last episode. Man, some book readers must be fuming about how people dare to like show Stannis so much. Why would book readers be fuming about how much people are liking show Stannis now? The main gripe among a lot of book readers is that Stannis is portrayed too negatively in the show and thus isn't liked enough amongst the show-only people. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 17 2014 16:39 Ketch wrote: It seemed to me like she was throwing some medieval grenade, not actually shooting fireballs. What do you guys think? Yeah, it looked that way to me as well from the trajectory projectiles were taking. | ||
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