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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Painmaker
Profile Joined December 2010
Uruguay230 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 18:35:53
June 16 2014 18:32 GMT
#10861
It's perfect as long as you have something to work with next season... I don't understand why is it a great cliffhanger when LSH still hasn't been developed at all in the books apart from killing Freys. Unles you want the show writers to come up with their own stuff, which judging by this thread is very unlikely. They could do the same stuff they did at the end of season 2 (Wight army and the White Walker on a dead horse) Best cliffhanger ever! What did we get on season 3? Barely a mention of a bunch of crows getting murdered . Winter has been coming for a while already, why add another hype inducing cliffhanger if it's gonna be left unused later... I think that would really hurt the show. Better to introduce LSH next season and give Brienne and Pod something to do.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 16 2014 18:33 GMT
#10862
Likely they'll not show her until Brienne encounters her, which is fine by me.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
June 16 2014 18:34 GMT
#10863
On June 17 2014 03:21 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:13 Dfgj wrote:
On June 17 2014 00:44 GwSC wrote:
On June 16 2014 18:29 Spaylz wrote:

I liked the Arya scenes. I don't like that Brienne can kick Sandor's ass though. To all the supporters of the Cleganebowl theory, I have a question: if Sandor can't beat Brienne, how do you imagine that he'll beat UnGregor? As powerful as Brienne is, I think Sandor should beat her. On that same arc, I feel like they handled it well though. I like Sandor at the end. He outright admits he's watching over her, because, well, short of ransoming her or anything else, it's really the only purpose he can give to himself as the fugitive he is. Then he goes back to being hateful and bitter, and then he begs. It just illustrates well how lost he truly is. I liked it.


Recall Sandor's infected bite wound, Arya saying "you should have let me burn it", and mentioning in the previous episode how Sandor was moving more slowly than usual. He was clearly not at full strength, so I'm totally ok with Brienne having the edge.

Eeh, I'm not sold on how they portrayed a wound like that being such a weakness (that he never really shows severe trouble with). I know they did something similar in scale with Drogo's scratch completely disabling him, but to be fair, that was aggravated by Mirri (and was still shown as more minor than his injury was in the book iirc). Would have preferred them showing a genuinely incapacitating injury of some sort, rather than the rather silly random encounter bite.

I'm not a huge fan of Brienne getting heavily played up in the show, but oh well. I did like how brutal they made the fight, fitting for two people who use their brawn as their main strength.

What was wrong with the fight? It showed both of them giving their all, pulling no punches, and one of them ended up ahead. Just because he's stronger than her doesn't mean he will always beat her in every possible situation.

Nothing was wrong with it, I just said I liked the fight (well, once they lost the swords. The amount of camera cuts to avoid actually having fight choreography was a shame). Brienne is incapacitated by Biter in the book, having her defeat the Hound in show original content is a stretch.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
June 16 2014 18:42 GMT
#10864
On June 17 2014 03:33 Requizen wrote:
Likely they'll not show her until Brienne encounters her, which is fine by me.

Brienne just walking around in the riverlands, and bumping into un-dead Catelyn doesn't quite have the dramatic edge as it would have had with a glimpse of her before cutting out in this season finale. Instead we got Arya on a boat.
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Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 18:53:25
June 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#10865
Oops: Mispost, delete if you like.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 16 2014 19:23 GMT
#10866
What was up with the super fast skeletons? Also if the White Walkers can raise skeletons from the dead, what's the point of burning the bodies?
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
June 16 2014 19:25 GMT
#10867
You're in the wrong thread karazax, if you want the answers to all those questions you've been asking we'll give them to you but know that all the answers will come from the books and not from the show where they did a crappy job explaining them.
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 16 2014 19:30 GMT
#10868
On June 17 2014 04:23 karazax wrote:
What was up with the super fast skeletons? Also if the White Walkers can raise skeletons from the dead, what's the point of burning the bodies?

Skeleton thing is new.
Burning the bodies has been a thing since season 1.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 16 2014 19:34 GMT
#10869
Yes they burn the bodies in the show and books, but if the skeletons of the burnt bodies can still be raised, what's the point? Fire burns the wights and kills them, see the attack on Mormont, meaning in the books they need a certain level of flesh to animate, but if the white walkers could raise skeletons then fire shouldn't matter unless the fire was so hot it turned the bones to ash.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
June 16 2014 19:42 GMT
#10870
On June 17 2014 04:34 karazax wrote:
Yes they burn the bodies in the show and books, but if the skeletons of the burnt bodies can still be raised, what's the point? Fire burns the wights and kills them, see the attack on Mormont, meaning in the books they need a certain level of flesh to animate, but if the white walkers could raise skeletons then fire shouldn't matter unless the fire was so hot it turned the bones to ash.

Those were dessicated skeletons, not burnt. Fire would reduce them to ash.
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
June 16 2014 19:43 GMT
#10871
On June 17 2014 04:34 karazax wrote:
Yes they burn the bodies in the show and books, but if the skeletons of the burnt bodies can still be raised, what's the point? Fire burns the wights and kills them, see the attack on Mormont, meaning in the books they need a certain level of flesh to animate, but if the white walkers could raise skeletons then fire shouldn't matter unless the fire was so hot it turned the bones to ash.


I saw it more as those skeleton warriors just being very, very old wights, to the point where most of the flesh had rotted away. They have been animated for a long time but dormant underneath the ice until Bran and Co. walk by, likely a trap set by the Others considering the significance of Bloodraven and their inability to actually go after him.

I don't know why people need to overanalyze everything in the show looking for plot holes and missing pieces. That scene wasn't great, but it wasn't because the skeleton warriors are something we haven't seen in the books. It's pretty easy to explain away given what we do know.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 19:58:51
June 16 2014 19:58 GMT
#10872
We haven't seen any skeleton warriors in the books, they were clearly wights who attacked Bran and company as they fled to the cave as Bran's chapter describes cutting thru wool, flesh and bone. I just think it's silly for them to create unnecessary plot holes. What's the point? Bones won't turn to ash just by being burnt by a normal fire. Drogon's dragon fire didn't even turn the little girl's bones to ash. Even modern cremation doesn't turn all the bones to ash, the fragments are actually ground up after the fact.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
June 16 2014 20:18 GMT
#10873
On June 17 2014 04:25 TheFish7 wrote:
You're in the wrong thread karazax, if you want the answers to all those questions you've been asking we'll give them to you but know that all the answers will come from the books and not from the show where they did a crappy job explaining them.

I read the books and I don't know the answer to these questions. Nor do most others I expect, the white walkers and their powers of necromancy are still quite unexplained I thought.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 16 2014 21:05 GMT
#10874
"I loved her .... shae"

cue me vomiting everywhere

There were a number of times in that episode where characters seemed to know things for no reason, it felt kinda off
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SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
June 16 2014 21:30 GMT
#10875
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fuck about Catelyn ? The character was boring beyond mesure (in my opinion) and because she isn't dead (or was dead and now isn't) makes her what this episode was supposed to be about anyway ? I remember reading she was alive, thinking "well damn, out of all the characters Beerric could have kissed, he chose the wrong one" and turning the page.

Am I missing something ? It's not as if she was some important part of the story either. She literally does nothing. She has what ? Two lines ?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 16 2014 21:32 GMT
#10876
On June 17 2014 06:30 SpiZe wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fuck about Catelyn ? The character was boring beyond mesure (in my opinion) and because she isn't dead (or was dead and now isn't) makes her what this episode was supposed to be about anyway ? I remember reading she was alive, thinking "well damn, out of all the characters Beerric could have kissed, he chose the wrong one" and turning the page.

Am I missing something ? It's not as if she was some important part of the story either. She literally does nothing. She has what ? Two lines ?

she could get more important though, there are a few theories out there ^^
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nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany986 Posts
June 16 2014 21:50 GMT
#10877
On June 17 2014 06:30 SpiZe wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fuck about Catelyn ? The character was boring beyond mesure (in my opinion) and because she isn't dead (or was dead and now isn't) makes her what this episode was supposed to be about anyway ? I remember reading she was alive, thinking "well damn, out of all the characters Beerric could have kissed, he chose the wrong one" and turning the page.

Am I missing something ? It's not as if she was some important part of the story either. She literally does nothing. She has what ? Two lines ?


Catelyn chapters are actually the only ones that I mostly skimmed. I couldn't take all that whiny internal monologue without any progression. I was so glad after the Red Wedding and relieved that LSH won't talk and likely doesn't have any thoughts that would make for a chapter.
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 21:52:19
June 16 2014 21:51 GMT
#10878
On June 17 2014 06:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 06:30 SpiZe wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fuck about Catelyn ? The character was boring beyond mesure (in my opinion) and because she isn't dead (or was dead and now isn't) makes her what this episode was supposed to be about anyway ? I remember reading she was alive, thinking "well damn, out of all the characters Beerric could have kissed, he chose the wrong one" and turning the page.

Am I missing something ? It's not as if she was some important part of the story either. She literally does nothing. She has what ? Two lines ?

she could get more important though, there are a few theories out there ^^


Please no : P

Seriously though, I agree that she could become important in the future, although I still think that Catelyn's time in the sun is over, but it doesn't change the fact that up to now, she has no impact on anything whatsoever. Her only role is to foreshadow Jaime's... uncertain future.

I disagree with most people saying that LSH reveal would have been the perfect cliffhanger. It would have been a good one, but I think that opening up story line like they did with Arya creates more hype. LSH wouldn't even have been the most talked about thing, it would still be the death of The Hound and Tywin, as they were well liked characters amongst show watchers while Catelyn remained a character most were feeling either neutral or negative about, because she was always in scene that involved more charismatic characters. (from the show's perspective)
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#10879
I was also pretty bored by the Stark storylines from book two onward basically. I think Robb&Jon are pretty dull characters. I enjoyed King's landing a lot more. A lot more plotting and scheming is going on there and the Lannisters are not as one dimensional as the Starks.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
June 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#10880
For me the 3rd book was about getting closure- the starks are all doing their own thing, the lannisters are pretty much done as a house . the power struggle for the iron throne all but ends with the 3rd book and as a reader I stopped carrying about the house conflicts and enjoyed the individual characters more - especially the lannisters. I dont think the show needed a cliffhanger, especially not LHS since as we know that goes pretty much nowhere in the next 2 books. if they wanted to bridge the next season and end on people asking questions and wanting more I think they shouldve introduced dorne and the sand snakes towards the end of the season for ppl to be like holy shit these guys are pissed cant wait for the next season. I think that wouldve worked better since dorne will be a major part of next season and LHS, well they really cant afford to show her as a white walker and not do anything with her for 10 episodes.
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