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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
On June 17 2014 00:23 c0ldfusion wrote: Hey, they're going into the whole R + L thing again in the other thread. Somebody stop them! Yeah, super obvious spoilers people are venting as "hey I had this wild idea" | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On June 16 2014 18:29 Spaylz wrote: I liked the Arya scenes. I don't like that Brienne can kick Sandor's ass though. To all the supporters of the Cleganebowl theory, I have a question: if Sandor can't beat Brienne, how do you imagine that he'll beat UnGregor? As powerful as Brienne is, I think Sandor should beat her. On that same arc, I feel like they handled it well though. I like Sandor at the end. He outright admits he's watching over her, because, well, short of ransoming her or anything else, it's really the only purpose he can give to himself as the fugitive he is. Then he goes back to being hateful and bitter, and then he begs. It just illustrates well how lost he truly is. I liked it. Recall Sandor's infected bite wound, Arya saying "you should have let me burn it", and mentioning in the previous episode how Sandor was moving more slowly than usual. He was clearly not at full strength, so I'm totally ok with Brienne having the edge. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14911 Posts
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shark.
593 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On June 17 2014 00:54 shark. wrote: If Varys is on the boat then who is going to kill Kevan? I think he was just sitting on the boat in solidarity with Tyrion, not that he was going to sail off with him. Also, I don't think we've seen much of Kevan in the show for him to be relevant. Maybe they'll just ignore him. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 17 2014 00:54 shark. wrote: If Varys is on the boat then who is going to kill Kevan? Varys? He vanishes for an entire book and we don't really have any idea where he went to during that time so it is possible for him to return back to Westeros and kill Kevan even with him getting on the ship. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
On June 17 2014 01:07 Spaylz wrote: Yeah... A few people bring up Lyanna, but make sure not to mention Rhaegar, because that would simply be too obvious. I am still VERY skeptical that one might be able to tie Jon to Lyanna just from the show. It is impossible. Was she ever mentioned besides the 1st season? | ||
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Anlo
Sweden485 Posts
On June 17 2014 01:13 Grovbolle wrote: It is impossible. Was she ever mentioned besides the 1st season? And honestly, if you cared that much about lore or back-story you would have already watched vids about the lore and all that jazz. Point being, I wouldn't even know she was named Lyanna if I had only watched the show. Would be too afraid to google anything to make sure how it was spelled even. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On June 16 2014 23:40 Laurens wrote: If you hadn't read the books, chances are you would have enjoyed the finale and not considered it a fuckup  I've read the books and enjoyed the finale a lot. Wasn't fucked up at all for me. This show has done a masterful job with the material from the books so far. In fact, all most book readers do is just whine about this show here and in the tv thread, that I'll probably skip reading these threads till next season because it's just as bad as LR threads and balance whining. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On June 17 2014 02:25 Canucklehead wrote: I've read the books and enjoyed the finale a lot. Wasn't fucked up at all for me. This show has done a masterful job with the material from the books so far. In fact, all most book readers do is just whine about this show here and in the tv thread, that I'll probably skip reading these threads till next season because it's just as bad as LR threads and balance whining. Oh don't get me wrong, I full agree with you, liked the episode. I just think massivez considers it a fuckup because he read the books. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On June 17 2014 01:29 Anlo wrote: And honestly, if you cared that much about lore or back-story you would have already watched vids about the lore and all that jazz. Point being, I wouldn't even know she was named Lyanna if I had only watched the show. Would be too afraid to google anything to make sure how it was spelled even. Do you guys really think it's such a stretch? It's pretty heavily hinted at, even in the show, that there's more of a story to Jon's mother than just Ned knocking up a common girl. Suspecting that Lyanna might be his mother isn't that odd. Connecting her to Rhaegar is more of a leap, I think, but suspecting Jon's mother is another Stark? Not so strange to anyone that's watched the show more than once. Granted, that doesn't mean that the people bringing it up aren't book readers, but still. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
The show has flashes of brilliance where they bring the books to life and stretches of mediocrity where they butcher scenes whole sale. As a show completely separate from the books it's entertaining, but I will always judge how they did as an adaptation first, and it's not as good as it could be. | ||
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V0ren
Netherlands233 Posts
On June 17 2014 02:28 Laurens wrote: Oh don't get me wrong, I full agree with you, liked the episode. I just think massivez considers it a fuckup because he read the books. It was not a bad episode, but it could have been so much more. The book creates some really great scenes (Tyrion's escape and Stannis arrival) and the series portrays them in a completely different way. While those scenes aren't really bad, they change a lot in the way characters develop and their story progresses. We've also been spoiled with two really great episodes before this one. Eight was probably one of the best if not the best episode of the whole series and nine had some of the most epic looking scenery and camera shots so far. Compared to those two, this episode felt a lot more lacklustre. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On June 17 2014 02:41 dormer wrote: Do you guys really think it's such a stretch? It's pretty heavily hinted at, even in the show, that there's more of a story to Jon's mother than just Ned knocking up a common girl. Suspecting that Lyanna might be his mother isn't that odd. Connecting her to Rhaegar is more of a leap, I think, but suspecting Jon's mother is another Stark? Not so strange to anyone that's watched the show more than once. Granted, that doesn't mean that the people bringing it up aren't book readers, but still. It's a pretty far stretch. What is the "pretty heavily hinted at" evidence? The evidence in the books isn't even something I suspect most readers catch on their own without reading it online or hearing it from some one else first. Certainly some people do come up with the theory on their own, but I certainly didn't. So many online discussions talk about it as if it is a "how could you miss this" fact rather than just a theory with a lot of merits that requires piecing together evidence from several different parts of the book, key being the Tower of Joy, and Lyanna telling Ned that she didn't think Robert would stay faithful to her. Without the tower of joy and "Promise me Ned", the most convincing evidence that the theory might be true is missing. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On June 17 2014 00:44 GwSC wrote: Recall Sandor's infected bite wound, Arya saying "you should have let me burn it", and mentioning in the previous episode how Sandor was moving more slowly than usual. He was clearly not at full strength, so I'm totally ok with Brienne having the edge. Eeh, I'm not sold on how they portrayed a wound like that being such a weakness (that he never really shows severe trouble with). I know they did something similar in scale with Drogo's scratch completely disabling him, but to be fair, that was aggravated by Mirri (and was still shown as more minor than his injury was in the book iirc). Would have preferred them showing a genuinely incapacitating injury of some sort, rather than the rather silly random encounter bite. I'm not a huge fan of Brienne getting heavily played up in the show, but oh well. I did like how brutal they made the fight, fitting for two people who use their brawn as their main strength. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:13 Dfgj wrote: Eeh, I'm not sold on how they portrayed a wound like that being such a weakness (that he never really shows severe trouble with). I know they did something similar in scale with Drogo's scratch completely disabling him, but to be fair, that was aggravated by Mirri (and was still shown as more minor than his injury was in the book iirc). Would have preferred them showing a genuinely incapacitating injury of some sort, rather than the rather silly random encounter bite. I'm not a huge fan of Brienne getting heavily played up in the show, but oh well. I did like how brutal they made the fight, fitting for two people who use their brawn as their main strength. What was wrong with the fight? It showed both of them giving their all, pulling no punches, and one of them ended up ahead. Just because he's stronger than her doesn't mean he will always beat her in every possible situation. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
 Scary that they've caught up to the books now with Bran and nearly in other areas, and that they're diverging so much. They were gifted a perfect cliffhanger in LSH, why wouldn't they use it?! | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:22 Jono7272 wrote: They were gifted a perfect cliffhanger in LSH, why wouldn't they use it?! My guess would be that they're not going to introduce UnCat until mid-Season 5, so a cliffhanger now would mean they'd have to pretty much not show her for half a season, which would be really weird. Brienne just lost Arya, she might continue to wander around, maybe go to the Eyrie to be kicked out by Littlefinger again, maybe she'll meet Gendry, and then she'll get captured by UnCat. We'll see, though. | ||
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