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Was good aside from some poorly cgi'd skeletons facing off with the worst actors on the show.
LSH hasn't been built up at all (in the show, it's the opposite of online) and that kind of twist takes away from the impact if Tyrions storyline. LSH is going to be s5e1 probably. And while it's cool kind of, the climax of this season and probably the entire series is Tywin's death, not a zombified ex character.
That said, Tyrions scenes felt rushed, which I was worried about. The way it cut between scenes in particular was very quick, another minute or two would have driven tension. They should have cut Dany's stuff, and the skeletons, and given that time to the critical scene.
The tysha stuff I can understand cutting for tv, although it does leave Tyrion a lot weaker compared to the books. Although we likely won't have to deal with a whole season of him being incredibly irritating, at least.
Also, screw jojen, I don't understand why people love jojen and coldhands. Neither of them are particularly interesting. I've mentioned this before. Also, jojens portrayel in the show is even worse than in the books.
Oh and
Cleganebowl
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this is the first legitimate time im actually just so disappointed in the show
other time was the entire jon snow storyline in season 2 ... dont get me started on that
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On June 16 2014 17:40 Hot_Bid wrote:
this is the first legitimate time im actually just so disappointed in the show
other time was the entire jon snow storyline in season 2 ... dont get me started on that
Hey Hot_Bid, why don't you tell us your opinion on the Jon Snow storyline in season 2?
I don't think this episode was bad. Expectations might have been a little high after all the hype, and certain instagram pictures.
I think they decided to just scrap Tysha altogether in this episode, cause none of the viewers would remember who she was. This has made the conversations between Tyrion/Jaime and Tyrion/Tywin less good than in the books, but what can you do.
Without Jaime bringing up Tysha, there's not much reason for Tyrion to claim he killed Joffrey or start about Lancel etc. The 'where whores go' line can't be used either.
It's a shame but it's just one of these decisions they make with the show viewers in mind.
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I dont know if Tyrion and Jaime parting on bad terms matters at all, if anything they are likely never to meet again in the books, so if the show writers already know if Tyrion will not kill both Jaime and Cersei as he initially plans to, theres no need for that angle to linger forever. If anything the way they did it in the show served to highlight their great relationship and I think if there's no follow up and they never meet again leaving on bad terms wasnt needed at all. Also I think Tyrion has enough motivation to go to his fathers chambers even without the Tysha story.
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On June 16 2014 17:18 ahw wrote:
Was good aside from some poorly cgi'd skeletons facing off with the worst actors on the show.
LSH hasn't been built up at all (in the show, it's the opposite of online) and that kind of twist takes away from the impact if Tyrions storyline. LSH is going to be s5e1 probably. And while it's cool kind of, the climax of this season and probably the entire series is Tywin's death, not a zombified ex character.
That said, Tyrions scenes felt rushed, which I was worried about. The way it cut between scenes in particular was very quick, another minute or two would have driven tension. They should have cut Dany's stuff, and the skeletons, and given that time to the critical scene.
The tysha stuff I can understand cutting for tv, although it does leave Tyrion a lot weaker compared to the books. Although we likely won't have to deal with a whole season of him being incredibly irritating, at least.
Also, screw jojen, I don't understand why people love jojen and coldhands. Neither of them are particularly interesting. I've mentioned this before. Also, jojens portrayel in the show is even worse than in the books.
Oh and
Cleganebowl
Jojen told one of the best bits of backstory in the entire series, the one with his father Howland Reed. Coldhands isn't so much important himself but rather what he represents - a 'good wight' of some description and presumably a former member of the Night's Watch. That opens a new set of possibilities, like maybe factions among the whitewalkers.
But really though, Cleganebowl get HYPE
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On June 16 2014 17:47 disciple wrote:
I dont know if Tyrion and Jaime parting on bad terms matters at all, if anything they are likely never to meet again in the books, so if the show writers already know if Tyrion will not kill both Jaime and Cersei as he initially plans to, theres no need for that angle to linger forever. If anything the way they did it in the show served to highlight their great relationship and I think if there's no follow up and they never meet again leaving on bad terms wasnt needed at all. Also I think Tyrion has enough motivation to go to his fathers chambers even without the Tysha story.
Precisely. I'm actually kind of happy the way it turned-out, as I was really sad that the only family Tyrion had he left soured in the books. I was thinking all this season that maintaining the relationship between Tyrion and Jaime and having a heartfelt goodbye would be a nice change from all the other dour events of late. I always just saw that relationship as kind of special, so seeing it unsullied is nice. It sets Jaime up for his next arc being completely driven Cersei's selfish bitchiness.
Also, the forum isn't telling me "bitchiness" is misspelled, so that's kinda' cool.
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On June 16 2014 17:51 Dismay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 17:18 ahw wrote:
Was good aside from some poorly cgi'd skeletons facing off with the worst actors on the show.
LSH hasn't been built up at all (in the show, it's the opposite of online) and that kind of twist takes away from the impact if Tyrions storyline. LSH is going to be s5e1 probably. And while it's cool kind of, the climax of this season and probably the entire series is Tywin's death, not a zombified ex character.
That said, Tyrions scenes felt rushed, which I was worried about. The way it cut between scenes in particular was very quick, another minute or two would have driven tension. They should have cut Dany's stuff, and the skeletons, and given that time to the critical scene.
The tysha stuff I can understand cutting for tv, although it does leave Tyrion a lot weaker compared to the books. Although we likely won't have to deal with a whole season of him being incredibly irritating, at least.
Also, screw jojen, I don't understand why people love jojen and coldhands. Neither of them are particularly interesting. I've mentioned this before. Also, jojens portrayel in the show is even worse than in the books.
Oh and
Cleganebowl Jojen told one of the best bits of backstory in the entire series, the one with his father Howland Reed. Coldhands isn't so much important himself but rather what he represents - a 'good wight' of some description and presumably a former member of the Night's Watch. That opens a new set of possibilities, like maybe factions among the whitewalkers. But really though, Cleganebowl get HYPE
Why would the faith choose the gravedigger as their champion?
Even if they knew it's the Hound, he's meant to be wounded and no longer fighting. That's what irks me about this theory, there must be better champions to choose.
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Anyone knows who coldhand is? I always believed he is Ned's younger brother - Ben.
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On June 16 2014 18:03 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 17:51 Dismay wrote:On June 16 2014 17:18 ahw wrote:
Was good aside from some poorly cgi'd skeletons facing off with the worst actors on the show.
LSH hasn't been built up at all (in the show, it's the opposite of online) and that kind of twist takes away from the impact if Tyrions storyline. LSH is going to be s5e1 probably. And while it's cool kind of, the climax of this season and probably the entire series is Tywin's death, not a zombified ex character.
That said, Tyrions scenes felt rushed, which I was worried about. The way it cut between scenes in particular was very quick, another minute or two would have driven tension. They should have cut Dany's stuff, and the skeletons, and given that time to the critical scene.
The tysha stuff I can understand cutting for tv, although it does leave Tyrion a lot weaker compared to the books. Although we likely won't have to deal with a whole season of him being incredibly irritating, at least.
Also, screw jojen, I don't understand why people love jojen and coldhands. Neither of them are particularly interesting. I've mentioned this before. Also, jojens portrayel in the show is even worse than in the books.
Oh and
Cleganebowl Jojen told one of the best bits of backstory in the entire series, the one with his father Howland Reed. Coldhands isn't so much important himself but rather what he represents - a 'good wight' of some description and presumably a former member of the Night's Watch. That opens a new set of possibilities, like maybe factions among the whitewalkers. But really though, Cleganebowl get HYPE Why would the faith choose the gravedigger as their champion? Even if they knew it's the Hound, he's meant to be wounded and no longer fighting. That's what irks me about this theory, there must be better champions to choose.
By show standards, they should choose Brianne but she will also be nowhere to be seen 
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Ehhhh. The episode was okay. I didn't like it all that much.
It felt very rushed for one. Also, they cut so much dialogue... How can they get rid of Jaime and Tyrion's exchange, really? It is so crucial to the conflicted relationship they have. Also, I was kind of baffled to see that Tyrion, out of nowhere, goes, "hey, I'll go see my dad's chambers". Without Jaime telling him all about Tysha, it makes little sense. It also makes less sense that he is able to find it without Varys, though I think these weren't secret passages, were they? If so, it's also a little bothersome, as there is literally no one around. He's supposed to be a highly guarded prisoner. And does Varys get on the same ship when he hears the bells? That's what I got from the scene.
I liked the Arya scenes. I don't like that Brienne can kick Sandor's ass though. To all the supporters of the Cleganebowl theory, I have a question: if Sandor can't beat Brienne, how do you imagine that he'll beat UnGregor? As powerful as Brienne is, I think Sandor should beat her. On that same arc, I feel like they handled it well though. I like Sandor at the end. He outright admits he's watching over her, because, well, short of ransoming her or anything else, it's really the only purpose he can give to himself as the fugitive he is. Then he goes back to being hateful and bitter, and then he begs. It just illustrates well how lost he truly is. I liked it.
Also, whoa, Jojen dies. That actually surprised me. Also, call me naive, but the whole time and as more wights kept popping up, I was completely expecting Coldhands to show up. It's done now though, the character has been cut. I am sad about it. But Jojen dying... I feel like it's major, but at the same time it's not. Even in the books, I feel there is little chance of Jojen making it out of the cave alive.
And lastly, I feel like they are ruining Cersei's character. She is nothing like she is in the books. Cersei would NEVER admit to the truth in front of her father, let alone be all passionnate about it to Jaime afterwards, if not to manipulate him. They are whitewashing her character a lot... But I guess it serves its purposes. Nonetheless, I prefer the absolute bitch that Cersei is in the books.
Oh, and as expected, I was disappointed by their portrayal of Stannis yet again. They made him look like a savior, a tiny bit, but he barely showed up... Overall, Stannis has had like, what, a half hour of screen time the whole season? Hopefully, and logically, he should have a lot more in S5. But eh... Him coming to the Wall was not the great relief and moment of glory that it was in the books. Also, and even more importantly, no "Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!". And is Stannis too proud to speak his own name? "Do you know who I am?" and Davos answers. It's like they're a two-headed freak. Bleh... I could keep ranting, but no point. Stannis character assassination: complete. Well done, D&D.
edit: haha, some unsullied are picking apart the rather giant plotholes and contradictions the show has. Pretty funny, though a little sad.
I think the quality of the show has gone down too much. On paper, this last episode should have absolutely blown my mind to bits. My mind remains intact. I think I am going to start watching GoT with a diminished interest now.
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Can't believe they cut the Tysha story, the whole "where whores go" thing is missing now  . The Brienne vs Hound fight lol, well why not, it somehow works. The episode was ok, but also disappointing as a book reader. It was really rushed and a lot of stuff left out. The last Arya scene was epic though.
Oh yeah Jojen died before reaching the cave even, wtf lol. No Coldhands and fucking Varys gets on the ship????????
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The whole Jaime - Cercei - Tyrion thing was completely out of whack. Wait, so now it's Cercei who wants to end the pretending and hiding and just up and goes to tell Tywin? What in the...and it looked almost like Jaime would be the one opposed.
Jaime - Tyrion relations are weird now, what's Jaime gonna think about Tyrion after they find Tywin dead?
Wildling host being a good 30 men and I'm being generous. Come on, there was talk of a hundred thousand men, that forest should have been crawling. Instead, what I'd say 600 mounted men charge in to the forest and...fight over? GG WP.
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On June 16 2014 15:42 -Archangel- wrote:
Since so many mention being pissed off for things missing, I will not list my same list :D
What I wanted to talk about is that Jojen paste was just confirmed. Since Jojen dies, he probably also died in the book and was added to paste.
Never knew about Jojen paste until now. Fascinating theory, but perhaps a bit far-stretched. Jojen paste and Frey pies is more food porn than I can possibly handle.
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On June 16 2014 19:57 Jalle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 15:42 -Archangel- wrote:
Since so many mention being pissed off for things missing, I will not list my same list :D
What I wanted to talk about is that Jojen paste was just confirmed. Since Jojen dies, he probably also died in the book and was added to paste. Never knew about Jojen paste until now. Fascinating theory, but perhaps a bit far-stretched. Jojen paste and Frey pies is more food porn than I can possibly handle.
Only thing holding back the Jojen paste theory was that in the books Jojen is not shown dead. But since in the show he died, it means he is not important anymore and can die in the book as well and is probably dead so he ended up in the Jojen paste
But personally I don't understand why they would kill him like this and not get him to be part of the paste, these kind of shocking things are what make GoT good.
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On June 16 2014 20:04 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 19:57 Jalle wrote:On June 16 2014 15:42 -Archangel- wrote:
Since so many mention being pissed off for things missing, I will not list my same list :D
What I wanted to talk about is that Jojen paste was just confirmed. Since Jojen dies, he probably also died in the book and was added to paste. Never knew about Jojen paste until now. Fascinating theory, but perhaps a bit far-stretched. Jojen paste and Frey pies is more food porn than I can possibly handle. Only thing holding back the Jojen paste theory was that in the books Jojen is not shown dead. But since in the show he died, it means he is not important anymore and can die in the book as well and is probably dead so he ended up in the Jojen paste But personally I don't understand why they would kill him like this and not get him to be part of the paste, these kind of shocking things are what make GoT good.
I don't mind at all, I didn't like the Jojen paste theory anyway.
No LSH bugged me pretty hard, but I'm extremely salty about D&D ruining the entire Jaime/Tyrion arc.
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It's been over 3 years since Tysha was last mentioned in the show, it makes sense they don't bring her up here.
Sadly that means no 'wherever whores go' and no fighting between Jaime and Tyrion, but otherwise there would be thousands of show viewer going 'who the fuck is Tysha?'
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On June 16 2014 20:29 Laurens wrote:
It's been over 3 years since Tysha was last mentioned in the show, it makes sense they don't bring her up here.
Sadly that means no 'wherever whores go' and no fighting between Jaime and Tyrion, but otherwise there would be thousands of show viewer going 'who the fuck is Tysha?'
No, Tysha was actually hinted at in S3. She was not mentioned, but she was strongly implied in the dialogue where Tywin bids Tyrion wed Sansa. Tywin says something like "and it is past time you were wed", and Tyrion replies with "I was wed. Don't you remember?" and his father gives him a death glare and answers with "Only too well."
I also believe she was hinted at by Cersei in S2, when Ros is brought up in place of Shae. Cersei says something along the lines of "Have you married this one yet? Father will be so pleased". Granted, those are only subtleties book readers will pick up on, but still... I think Tysha has been mentioned enough. They just decided to not go with it somehow.
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So first you admit that these are subtleties only book readers will pick up, yet then you say you think she has been mentioned enough? 
Easy way to find out really, ask any unsullied you know if they remember Tysha or what happened to Tyrion's first wife. I'm pretty convinced they won't know. They may remember the fact that he has been previously married, but not what happened to her.
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On June 16 2014 20:29 Laurens wrote:
It's been over 3 years since Tysha was last mentioned in the show, it makes sense they don't bring her up here.
Sadly that means no 'wherever whores go' and no fighting between Jaime and Tyrion, but otherwise there would be thousands of show viewer going 'who the fuck is Tysha?'
They could have still worker her in with the proper dialogue. No, it wouldn't have had the same power as the books did with Tyrion building that moment up over 3 books inside his head but still. I think at a minimum it would have made about the same amount of sense as Tyrion suddenly deciding to risk it all to go see Tywin like he did.
Nobody knew who the hell Elia Martell or what the sack of King's Landing meant with Oberyn at the start of the season either but they made do with it.
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ya a quick 'you'd think you'd be used to whores fucking you by now' would get it done
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