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[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 540
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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire Click Here for the spoiler-free thread. | ||
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saddaromma
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aokces
United States309 Posts
1. Tysha - implies she won't ever appear in the books 2. Joffrey hiring Bran's assassin - not relevant anymore, but has a nice sense of closure 3. Cersei sleeping with Lancel - in the Books that drives Jaime apart from her, but right now Jaime and Cersei seem closer than ever Lack of UnCat is fine, she only has two scenes in all the books, they don't really have anything to work with. Besides, the episode is cramped enough as it is. Stannis had way more cavalry than I imagined, I assume they get supplies from south of the wall to feed everyone. Sad that Arya never got her wolf bread. Why mention Jaime Lannister when you should've mention Hot Pie? The 4 of them could've all exchanged stories over some delicious bread. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Killing Jojen just otuside the cave vs. Jojan paste isn't really an important difference. He stops mattering once they got to the cave is what matters. I think Hound v Brienne was the first fight I've really liked, but that was a cheat in a way. It wasn't about trying to set up fancy choreography, it was a brutal fight between two people who fight that way. Agree that the Stannis reveal was lackluster. At the risk of repeating themselves, I was thinking something in the style of how Blackwater ended would be good. There was a time I'd have cared that suddenly Jaime is willing to fuck Cersei on the white table but...that whole mess is too far gone at this point. Combined with the lack of a line helping set Jaime against Cersei "She has been fucking Lancel, and Osmund Kettleblack, and Moonboy for all I know..." that whole relationship seems to be entirely on a different course from the books. I don't think there was any indication in the books that Coldhands matters all that much. Losing him isn't that bad. It just sucks when you think about it in terms of "so we got this x y or z piece of filler, but no Coldhands?". I guess Varys catching the ship with Tyrion is a difference that does not matter much, assuming that they part ways again promptly once they get to Illyrio. Either way he disappears from KL and can easily be in position to show up again at the correct time. It does have me pondering the possibility of Varys on the riverboat though...nothing jumps out right away as terribly wrong with that. He'd be a role merge with the halfmaester. That makes sense for casting and giving Tyrion a stronger established character to interact with...eh, it's too baseless as speculation. The dragon sizes seem to be off. At the start of s4 they were still all about the same size. It seemed like Viserion and Rhaegal got smaller tonight. Meanwhile, we've seen Drogon increase in size to around what he is at the end of book 5. Did fireballs seem like a bit much fantasy to anyone else? | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14911 Posts
On June 16 2014 14:02 stuchiu wrote: Did they completely miss the scene where Davos reads the letter to Stannis about saving the Kingdom to become the King or did I miss something? this was last season | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
For the most part I enjoyed the episode though I am skeptical of Brienne's fighting ability, even with an infected wound encumbering ol' Sandor. The Hound and Arya's excellent adventure has still been the highlight of the season for me. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12463 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
- Stannis saving the day felt off. Almost sinister. - Complete butchering of Tyrion's arc - no Tysha, no rift between Jaime and Tyrion, no rift between Jaime and Cersei, no "wherever whores go". - Hound and Arya bumping into Brienne and Podrick. Cool fight, but stupid premise. What a crazy coincidence, 2 groups of major character just happen to bump into each other in the wilderness! - no LSH Even more disappointed given all the hype it was getting. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
On June 16 2014 14:40 Nebuchad wrote: Hated this episode a whole lot, every part of it. Can't share my hate anywhere cause a lot of it stems from what didn't happen. Tilts me even more. Isn't this exactly the kind of thread you're looking for then? Everybody is usually tearing apart everything anyway | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12463 Posts
On June 16 2014 14:59 KadaverBB wrote: Isn't this exactly the kind of thread you're looking for then? Everybody is usually tearing apart everything anyway All right then^^ I've been defending the show the whole season against attacks that I felt were unwarranted, so I'm not very comfortable writing this. - What they had in store for the Wall makes me wish even more they had put it at the end of last episode and made room for what should have been in this one. It's not like they had a huge bunch of stuff to add, it was two scenes, and not very epic ones at that (the one at the wall with Aemon could have been saved for this episode). - I guess it was nice to hype LSH everywhere and then not have her, but I still feel cheated a little bit, and moreover it would have been such a great final scene, it's kind of sad not to use the opportunity. - Jojen had kind of a poor showing on the show overall. I guess he doesn't have a great showing in the book either, so that's not a scandal, but still... - The buildup to the deaths in KL was inexistent. No dialogue between Jaime and Tyrion (so Jaime isn't setup to doubt Cersei, and Tyrion isn't set up to want even more revenge on Tywin). No first meeting with Varys before Tyrion goes to the Hand's chambers. It's still clear that he went there with the intent of killing Tywin, but I wish the show would have expressed that, and Varys was an easy way to get that done. "Here is a possibility to escape." "No wait I still have something to do." - Varys should have been the one who points Tyrion in the direction of Tywin's chambers. - Shae's death is very not good. No dialogue, and he killed her almost in self-defense? That's letting Tyrion get away with it, it should have been clear that he murdered her. - Tywin's death is not very good either. Maybe it was me but I just didn't feel a ton of tension in the scene, and it lacked Tysha which is a key component of it. - Brienne Sandor and Arya were awesome. All of this was great. - The diablo part was very enjoyable too. | ||
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Elasticity
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
- Despite the goofy departure of Brienne and Podrick I thought Arya's portion was nearly perfect. I got chills watching her leave the Hound to die. Way better wrap up of those two than in the book. - Tywin's death was great and as shameful as it needed to be, but everything leading to it was terrible. As projected a season ago, Shae's story ended up being pretty bad. Though, my real complaint was that there was no mention of Tysha (she's been brought up in the show before too...). Tyrion's actions of risking everything to go see Tywin in the book make perfect sense. This does not. Also, I would have loved to see the breakup of Jamie and Tyrion, it seemed the season really set that scenario up really well but it sadly never came... - No LSH. Fuck everything. Best way to end this season missed qq - Everything at the Wall was fantastic. Stannis' entrance was far more grand than anticipated. - No LSH.. - The scene between Cersei and Tywin was great. This ep needed more of that. Sets up the next season with Cersei and foreshadows Tywin's demise quite nicely. - So yeah...Jojen is dead. Don't know how I feel about that one...I mean he probably dies in the next book right? - Seriously...no LSH... wtf | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
What I wanted to talk about is that Jojen paste was just confirmed. Since Jojen dies, he probably also died in the book and was added to paste. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
It's as if Mance is sitting way in front of his army with just 20 men around him. I get that it's hard to film large armies but they could've done this a bit better surely. Other than that I liked the episode. Dany's scenes were actually quite moving. Combined with Jojen's death straight after and Ygritte's burning I shed some manly tears. | ||
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nimbim
Germany985 Posts
Good episode otherwise, the hound death was well done. | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
http://instagram.com/p/nEeNM0PA3L/ perhaps it really was just a heart of stones >.> | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On June 16 2014 13:47 aokces wrote: All the dialogue between Jaime/Tyrion was cut, nothing about 1. Tysha - implies she won't ever appear in the books 2. Joffrey hiring Bran's assassin - not relevant anymore, but has a nice sense of closure 3. Cersei sleeping with Lancel - in the Books that drives Jaime apart from her, but right now Jaime and Cersei seem closer than ever Lack of UnCat is fine, she only has two scenes in all the books, they don't really have anything to work with. Besides, the episode is cramped enough as it is. Stannis had way more cavalry than I imagined, I assume they get supplies from south of the wall to feed everyone. I know the books clearly showed that Joffrey hired that man who tried to kill Bran, but what about the show? Does anyone remember if and how Tyrion deduced that Joffrey was responsible? Tysha was mentioned like twice in the show so no problem. Lancel should be coming back, since without him there wouldn't be any trial for Cersei on the show. As for Catelyn, I hope she stays dead. and that they used the freed up time cover developements at the Wall, King's Landing, Dorne, and Braavos (Arya)/ . | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
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