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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and FireClick Here for the spoiler-free thread. |
On April 15 2014 11:34 sung_moon wrote:
Isn't there a scene where Jaime and Cersei argue with each other, and Jaime accuses her of trying to finish the job that throwing Bran off the Tower didn't do, but she says she has no idea whats he talking about?
She then brings up a story about how Robert drunkingly said to his family that the boy is better off dead, and from that Jaime deduces Joff sent an assassin to end Bran's life to make Robert "proud".
That, or they'll simply have LF be the one that did it in the show. He's the scheming mastermind, after all, so they might as well give him credit for it.
Yes, yes, I know that doesn't make much sense since LF wasn't even there. But you never know.
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Hehe, from the non-spoiler thread, it's fun to read peoples assumptions
On April 15 2014 20:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I don't believe in the "nobody is safe" rule in GoT.
Some characters are safe, at least for a while. Aria is safe. Bran is safe. Jon Snow is safe. Daenerys is safe.
Why? Because them dying now would mean they have gone through a journey that participated in nothing in the plot. Their story is ongoing and them dying would just be massively disappointing without bringing anything positive to the story. If Bran died now, it would basically just be an enormous amount of plot material going absolutely nowhere and delivering nothing. When Ned died, he had done his job, dramatically speaking. As much as it was hugely surprising, retrospectively, it made an awful lots of sense.
I kind of believe that Tyrion is safe too, for some reason. Same reasoning doesn't completely apply, but I just believe he is a necessary ingredient for the whole thing to hold together dramatically, and I expect Martin to know about that. Or maybe that's just what I wish?
I expect him to go through terribly hard time, but I don't think he will die at all, or then much, much later into the story.
Jon Snow is "safe" alright  . Though his thinking makes much sense
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I'm pretty sure most book readers consider Jon Snow safe even after he's died in the books. Such is the confidence in the Azor Azhai reborn/Prince That Was Promised/L+R=J theories.
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On April 15 2014 20:37 Ketch wrote:Hehe, from the non-spoiler thread, it's fun to read peoples assumptions Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I don't believe in the "nobody is safe" rule in GoT.
Some characters are safe, at least for a while. Aria is safe. Bran is safe. Jon Snow is safe. Daenerys is safe.
Why? Because them dying now would mean they have gone through a journey that participated in nothing in the plot. Their story is ongoing and them dying would just be massively disappointing without bringing anything positive to the story. If Bran died now, it would basically just be an enormous amount of plot material going absolutely nowhere and delivering nothing. When Ned died, he had done his job, dramatically speaking. As much as it was hugely surprising, retrospectively, it made an awful lots of sense.
I kind of believe that Tyrion is safe too, for some reason. Same reasoning doesn't completely apply, but I just believe he is a necessary ingredient for the whole thing to hold together dramatically, and I expect Martin to know about that. Or maybe that's just what I wish?
I expect him to go through terribly hard time, but I don't think he will die at all, or then much, much later into the story. Jon Snow is "safe" alright . Though his thinking makes much sense
are we back at the Jon Snow isnt really dead topic?
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On April 15 2014 20:37 Ketch wrote:Hehe, from the non-spoiler thread, it's fun to read peoples assumptions Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I don't believe in the "nobody is safe" rule in GoT.
Some characters are safe, at least for a while. Aria is safe. Bran is safe. Jon Snow is safe. Daenerys is safe.
Why? Because them dying now would mean they have gone through a journey that participated in nothing in the plot. Their story is ongoing and them dying would just be massively disappointing without bringing anything positive to the story. If Bran died now, it would basically just be an enormous amount of plot material going absolutely nowhere and delivering nothing. When Ned died, he had done his job, dramatically speaking. As much as it was hugely surprising, retrospectively, it made an awful lots of sense.
I kind of believe that Tyrion is safe too, for some reason. Same reasoning doesn't completely apply, but I just believe he is a necessary ingredient for the whole thing to hold together dramatically, and I expect Martin to know about that. Or maybe that's just what I wish?
I expect him to go through terribly hard time, but I don't think he will die at all, or then much, much later into the story. Jon Snow is "safe" alright . Though his thinking makes much sense
Yeah it is a good post and he is mostly right.
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On April 15 2014 21:15 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:37 Ketch wrote:Hehe, from the non-spoiler thread, it's fun to read peoples assumptions On April 15 2014 20:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I don't believe in the "nobody is safe" rule in GoT.
Some characters are safe, at least for a while. Aria is safe. Bran is safe. Jon Snow is safe. Daenerys is safe.
Why? Because them dying now would mean they have gone through a journey that participated in nothing in the plot. Their story is ongoing and them dying would just be massively disappointing without bringing anything positive to the story. If Bran died now, it would basically just be an enormous amount of plot material going absolutely nowhere and delivering nothing. When Ned died, he had done his job, dramatically speaking. As much as it was hugely surprising, retrospectively, it made an awful lots of sense.
I kind of believe that Tyrion is safe too, for some reason. Same reasoning doesn't completely apply, but I just believe he is a necessary ingredient for the whole thing to hold together dramatically, and I expect Martin to know about that. Or maybe that's just what I wish?
I expect him to go through terribly hard time, but I don't think he will die at all, or then much, much later into the story. Jon Snow is "safe" alright . Though his thinking makes much sense Yeah it is a good post and he is mostly right.
He knows a bit much and spelled most of the names right. Makes me a bit suspicious if hes not a book reader.
Non book readers spell all the names wrong :D
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From what I recall, wasn't it Oberyn that planned Jeoffrey's death? So i'm guessing the show is deviating away from the book and making Olenna the precursor based on all those gifs...?
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On April 15 2014 21:53 SwARmZzz wrote:
From what I recall, wasn't it Oberyn that planned Jeoffrey's death? So i'm guessing the show is deviating away from the book and making Olenna the precursor based on all those gifs...?
It was Littlefinger working with the Tyrells.
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Nope, it's consistent with the book. Check out the discussion a few pages earlier in this thread.
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I love all these theories about Joffrey's death in the other thread. I can't believe some of them are really considering Tywin, haha.
And the recurrent "Oberyn doesn't seem like the poison type" cracks me up too. I think the producers left out this little trait in his introduction on purpose so that viewers wouldn't jump easily to him.
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Honestly I thought it might have been Tywin for a while in the books. Having his grandson killed to save family's face and stabilize things doesn't seem too far outside of his character.
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On April 16 2014 01:35 Spaylz wrote:
I love all these theories about Joffrey's death in the other thread. I can't believe some of them are really considering Tywin, haha.
And the recurrent "Oberyn doesn't seem like the poison type" cracks me up too. I think the producers left out this little trait in his introduction on purpose so that viewers wouldn't jump easily to him.
Would have been too obvious. "Hey, this guy wants to kill Lannisters. He loves poison." Next episode a Lannister dies from poison. Would feel like they are intentionally misleading the audience, which is never good.
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Is the consensus that it was poison from the show watchers?
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On April 16 2014 01:46 WiseBagus wrote:
Is the consensus that it was poison from the show watchers?
Yes, not only because of influence from readers, but also because it really looks like poison. Not everyone thinks it's from the wine though.
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On April 16 2014 01:46 WiseBagus wrote:
Is the consensus that it was poison from the show watchers?
Well it's pretty obvious. King is fine -> eats pie and drinks wine -> death. What else could it have been?
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On April 16 2014 01:48 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 01:46 WiseBagus wrote:
Is the consensus that it was poison from the show watchers? Well it's pretty obvious. King is fine -> eats pie and drinks wine -> death. What else could it have been?
choking
but obviously, his face shown in the show, with blood, etc, makes its less possible than in the book
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The pie is a reasonable guess. Joffrey makes a face when he eats it. I actually thought he was starting to choke, because he gasped/breathed weirdly for a second. Brilliant acting.
Also, I think the cake should be tied to Varys, mostly because of the birds. In the show, he always talks about his "little birds", and I think a show watcher has made that connection in the other thread too. I wish I could post, but honestly I don't see myself being able to argue something other than the wine, and the Tyrells.
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Honestly I'm going to miss Jack Gleeson. As much as we hate Joff, he was a great actor and brought a great villain to the screen very believably.
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Eithey way you shouldn't argue about theories in that thread, even if you are taking an "devil's advocate" position and defending something you know isn't true. It's too easy to forget little details that are exclusivelly from the show and take some things as granted that are not so obvious for watchers. You can't remove the books from your head.
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I'm a little bit confused about the ramsey/vargo/roose bolton scene, they met at the dreadfort, right? So after they passed moat cailin the ironborn, in the show lead by asha, took the city and now theon is send back to help take it? This diverges heavily from the books, doesn't it?
On a side note, i'm kinda releaved and sad we won't see the mountain slice up vargo.
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