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On April 15 2013 14:35 Irrelevant Label wrote: The politics behind Bolton's betrayal are ruined by having one of his men take Jaime's hand. It is the kind of mistake they can ignore and the show watchers will not notice I suppose. Scapegoating...and here I was avoiding puns from now on... Hoat was key to Bolton keeping his head. They are going to have him do the same despite the man in question being one of his own, something Tywin should never accept.
They can still fix it enough in the context of the show by having Bolton punish Hoat/Locke for cutting Jaime. Not a great adaptation but good enough for the show I think.
On April 15 2013 14:35 Irrelevant Label wrote: The politics behind Bolton's betrayal are ruined by having one of his men take Jaime's hand. It is the kind of mistake they can ignore and the show watchers will not notice I suppose. Scapegoating...and here I was avoiding puns from now on... Hoat was key to Bolton keeping his head. They are going to have him do the same despite the man in question being one of his own, something Tywin should never accept.
They can still fix it enough in the context of the show by having Bolton punish Hoat/Locke for cutting Jaime. Not a great adaptation but good enough for the show I think.
We've settled for worse elsewhere, so yep.
I'm curious about why some book readers seem to be disliking Dany more this season. I've actually felt a bit "told you so" about her suddenly maturing into something much more like her book incarnation despite the massive blunders of season two. Things like the dumb comment on "we are not men" are actually the kind of thing book Dany might do, so as movie-Eowyn cringeworthy as it is I have to give it a pass. The loss in that arc so far was the Barristan reveal, but that doesn't impact Dany's character.
I'm a bad judge of acting. That said, I have an ok sense of when they are doing very well at least. I appreciate the work of Dance, Dinklage and those types. I know Clarke isn't in that category. It is the 'ok' vs. bad that I can't really tell apart. Maybe Clarke is doing poorly rather than ok, but at least the writing does not seem to be ruining her so much anymore.
Charles Dance does a ridiculously good job. This episode he spoke what, 2 sentences and still he is the best actor in the show. How he makes Tywin just radiate with power and authority. Great.
On April 15 2013 14:35 Irrelevant Label wrote: The politics behind Bolton's betrayal are ruined by having one of his men take Jaime's hand. It is the kind of mistake they can ignore and the show watchers will not notice I suppose. Scapegoating...and here I was avoiding puns from now on... Hoat was key to Bolton keeping his head. They are going to have him do the same despite the man in question being one of his own, something Tywin should never accept.
They can still fix it enough in the context of the show by having Bolton punish Hoat/Locke for cutting Jaime. Not a great adaptation but good enough for the show I think.
We've settled for worse elsewhere, so yep.
I'm curious about why some book readers seem to be disliking Dany more this season. I've actually felt a bit "told you so" about her suddenly maturing into something much more like her book incarnation despite the massive blunders of season two. Things like the dumb comment on "we are not men" are actually the kind of thing book Dany might do, so as movie-Eowyn cringeworthy as it is I have to give it a pass. The loss in that arc so far was the Barristan reveal, but that doesn't impact Dany's character.
I'm a bad judge of acting. That said, I have an ok sense of when they are doing very well at least. I appreciate the work of Dance, Dinklage and those types. I know Clarke isn't in that category. It is the 'ok' vs. bad that I can't really tell apart. Maybe Clarke is doing poorly rather than ok, but at least the writing does not seem to be ruining her so much anymore.
My complaint with her is just that the actress playing her is not a great actress imo. Shes not believable when she tries to show emotion especially anger. This is opposed to someone like Stannis where the actor playing him is a good actor but the character is just written badly as opposed to his book counterpart. In the case of Dany its an issue of acting not writing for me
On April 16 2013 09:11 zatic wrote: Charles Dance does a ridiculously good job. This episode he spoke what, 2 sentences and still he is the best actor in the show. How he makes Tywin just radiate with power and authority. Great.
I've liked him since Alien 3 - he's an amazing actor.. he even makes this look good
On April 15 2013 14:35 Irrelevant Label wrote: The politics behind Bolton's betrayal are ruined by having one of his men take Jaime's hand. It is the kind of mistake they can ignore and the show watchers will not notice I suppose. Scapegoating...and here I was avoiding puns from now on... Hoat was key to Bolton keeping his head. They are going to have him do the same despite the man in question being one of his own, something Tywin should never accept.
They can still fix it enough in the context of the show by having Bolton punish Hoat/Locke for cutting Jaime. Not a great adaptation but good enough for the show I think.
We've settled for worse elsewhere, so yep.
I'm curious about why some book readers seem to be disliking Dany more this season. I've actually felt a bit "told you so" about her suddenly maturing into something much more like her book incarnation despite the massive blunders of season two. Things like the dumb comment on "we are not men" are actually the kind of thing book Dany might do, so as movie-Eowyn cringeworthy as it is I have to give it a pass. The loss in that arc so far was the Barristan reveal, but that doesn't impact Dany's character.
I'm a bad judge of acting. That said, I have an ok sense of when they are doing very well at least. I appreciate the work of Dance, Dinklage and those types. I know Clarke isn't in that category. It is the 'ok' vs. bad that I can't really tell apart. Maybe Clarke is doing poorly rather than ok, but at least the writing does not seem to be ruining her so much anymore.
My complaint with her is just that the actress playing her is not a great actress imo. Shes not believable when she tries to show emotion especially anger. This is opposed to someone like Stannis where the actor playing him is a good actor but the character is just written badly as opposed to his book counterpart. In the case of Dany its an issue of acting not writing for me
I feel like she did well in season 1, probably because she is better at acting vulnerable than angry/determined. I still don't think she's bad though, and feel the writing was poor throughout season 2 for her entire storyline.
The acting that has been starting to bug me is Jorah Mormont. At first I really liked him but now it seems like whenever he speaks he uses the exact same voice inflections. The same goes for Littlefinger.
On April 15 2013 14:35 Irrelevant Label wrote: The politics behind Bolton's betrayal are ruined by having one of his men take Jaime's hand. It is the kind of mistake they can ignore and the show watchers will not notice I suppose. Scapegoating...and here I was avoiding puns from now on... Hoat was key to Bolton keeping his head. They are going to have him do the same despite the man in question being one of his own, something Tywin should never accept.
They can still fix it enough in the context of the show by having Bolton punish Hoat/Locke for cutting Jaime. Not a great adaptation but good enough for the show I think.
We've settled for worse elsewhere, so yep.
I'm curious about why some book readers seem to be disliking Dany more this season. I've actually felt a bit "told you so" about her suddenly maturing into something much more like her book incarnation despite the massive blunders of season two. Things like the dumb comment on "we are not men" are actually the kind of thing book Dany might do, so as movie-Eowyn cringeworthy as it is I have to give it a pass. The loss in that arc so far was the Barristan reveal, but that doesn't impact Dany's character.
I'm a bad judge of acting. That said, I have an ok sense of when they are doing very well at least. I appreciate the work of Dance, Dinklage and those types. I know Clarke isn't in that category. It is the 'ok' vs. bad that I can't really tell apart. Maybe Clarke is doing poorly rather than ok, but at least the writing does not seem to be ruining her so much anymore.
My complaint with her is just that the actress playing her is not a great actress imo. Shes not believable when she tries to show emotion especially anger. This is opposed to someone like Stannis where the actor playing him is a good actor but the character is just written badly as opposed to his book counterpart. In the case of Dany its an issue of acting not writing for me
Yeah, I agree that I don't like how Stannis is scripted in the show. When I was younger, I used to think it was always the actors fault when the character was poorly portrayed. Then I realized sometimes they are just handed a shitty script. Sometimes, it can be hard to tell whats the problem, and other times its a combination of both script and acting
Why is no one seeming to ask why theon is being helped to escape? Why isn't he being flayed repeatedly? Why is the random archer helping him? Who is he? How did he go from the ironborn to ramsey? How did the show "patch" that. Maybe I missed a huge amount but the show seems so disjointed and like they are completely rewriting theons story. I want reek god dammit. It rhymes with meek!
So just thought I'd post this from the no spoilers thread
Anyone else really bothered by the fact that Daenerys gave up one of her dragons? Despite everything that's happened this season, that bugged me the most for some reason
On April 16 2013 09:47 Bobgrimly wrote: Why is no one seeming to ask why theon is being helped to escape? Why isn't he being flayed repeatedly? Why is the random archer helping him? Who is he? How did he go from the ironborn to ramsey? How did the show "patch" that. Maybe I missed a huge amount but the show seems so disjointed and like they are completely rewriting theons story. I want reek god dammit. It rhymes with meek!
The mysterious archer is Ramsey. He will probably introduce himself as Reek first before flaying Theon and making him Reek.
On April 16 2013 09:47 Bobgrimly wrote: Why is no one seeming to ask why theon is being helped to escape? Why isn't he being flayed repeatedly? Why is the random archer helping him? Who is he? How did he go from the ironborn to ramsey? How did the show "patch" that. Maybe I missed a huge amount but the show seems so disjointed and like they are completely rewriting theons story. I want reek god dammit. It rhymes with meek!
I thought this was pretty obvious to anyone who's read the book.
The guy helping him is Ramsey, Bolton's bastard. There's a few lines in the book that says how he liked to play tricks on Theon when he tortured him, giving him false hope frequently and then punishing him for accepting it. The show seems to be taking it to a new level, but if you doubt it... watch the scene where he shoots his own men, the guy says, "you bastard" right before he dies.
Anyone else really bothered by the fact that Daenerys gave up one of her dragons? Despite everything that's happened this season, that bugged me the most for some reason
This guy is gonna have the best day next week
Yeah well to be fair the twist in the show and in the book are kinda obvious, especially in the book because Xaro offered shit loads of stuff for 1 dragon, he would even give her the golden armada,rather than 8000 soldiers. In the show, the acting gives it all up, because the lack of reactions by Dani is what gives it up. But I guess someone who watches the show won't notice it because of shock effect.
Overall, with each new episode the show gets better and better. It was the opposite last year. Though I'm not sure if its because of the writing getting better or the story overall. I still question some of the senseless changes atm but I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Thus far in S3, I hated how they've made Stannis so clingy towards Melisandra, but I thought Stannis S2 was amazing.
Liked how they portrayed him as a badass warrior during Blackwater and the way he delivered "Thousands". I didn't even mind how they showed Stannis actually making love with Mel just to make it plainly obvious (just like hsi younger brother/Loras).
But yea, I'm actually looking down on this seasons Stannis thus far.
On April 16 2013 16:49 n0ise wrote: - Really enjoyed Edmure, and as far as Rome cast goes, I think he does a far better job than Caesar as Mance does.
- Sam fat-jokes are driving every plot point and being omnipresent. Dunno whose bright idea that was.
- They're playing Ramsay/Theon awesomely, the drop is gonna be massssive.
- Ending + song were hi-larious.
Nah, i think that song was bad. Or at least really not fitting. At all. Not funny, not grotesque, nothing, just out of place.
2 very minor things that annoyed me a little, why leave out Balon Greyjoy from Stannis's speech, and why buff up the Iron Throne's debts? In s1 LF clearly states the crown is in 2 million debt to the Lannisters and some 6 million overall (The Faith, the Tyrells, the banks). And like 1 year later, according to Tyrion the Throne owes tens of millions to the Iron Bank alone. Very nitpicky i know.
Despite littlefinger being a lying scumbag, I have to admit I like him the most, basically the only reason I like samsa is because I think theres a chance that she gives me greater insight into his character.
On April 16 2013 16:49 n0ise wrote: - Really enjoyed Edmure, and as far as Rome cast goes, I think he does a far better job than Caesar as Mance does.
- Sam fat-jokes are driving every plot point and being omnipresent. Dunno whose bright idea that was.
- They're playing Ramsay/Theon awesomely, the drop is gonna be massssive.
- Ending + song were hi-larious.
Nah, i think that song was bad. Or at least really not fitting. At all. Not funny, not grotesque, nothing, just out of place.
2 very minor things that annoyed me a little, why leave out Balon Greyjoy from Stannis's speech, and why buff up the Iron Throne's debts? In s1 LF clearly states the crown is in 2 million debt to the Lannisters and some 6 million overall (The Faith, the Tyrells, the banks). And like 1 year later, according to Tyrion the Throne owes tens of millions to the Iron Bank alone. Very nitpicky i know.
On April 16 2013 16:49 n0ise wrote: - Really enjoyed Edmure, and as far as Rome cast goes, I think he does a far better job than Caesar as Mance does.
- Sam fat-jokes are driving every plot point and being omnipresent. Dunno whose bright idea that was.
- They're playing Ramsay/Theon awesomely, the drop is gonna be massssive.
- Ending + song were hi-larious.
Nah, i think that song was bad. Or at least really not fitting. At all. Not funny, not grotesque, nothing, just out of place.
2 very minor things that annoyed me a little, why leave out Balon Greyjoy from Stannis's speech, and why buff up the Iron Throne's debts? In s1 LF clearly states the crown is in 2 million debt to the Lannisters and some 6 million overall (The Faith, the Tyrells, the banks). And like 1 year later, according to Tyrion the Throne owes tens of millions to the Iron Bank alone. Very nitpicky i know.
They didnt buff up, that was reality as perceived by Tyrion at that moment in time, littlefinger had borrowed a lot more money from the Bravosi than from the 7 kingdoms
What I dislike the most about Emilia's acting is that she never moves her eyebrows, and anyone who has seen an interview with Clarke knows that those eyebrows have their own life. It's like she can't control them if she starts to move them, so to compensate she doesn't move them at all. Makes her facial expression really dull, almost as bad as Kristen Stewart. Stone face...
I think Emilia is really good. The only part of her I didn't like is the "WHEAR AR MY DRAGOONS!" from season 2, but that's probably not her fault. And yeah - "we are not men" is a terrible pun. About her eybrows - she is trying to be taken seriously, moving them would not serve that purpose :D.
Stannis is a bit weird, but we could deal with that.
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