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On April 16 2013 20:11 OminouS wrote:
What I dislike the most about Emilia's acting is that she never moves her eyebrows, and anyone who has seen an interview with Clarke knows that those eyebrows have their own life. It's like she can't control them if she starts to move them, so to compensate she doesn't move them at all. Makes her facial expression really dull, almost as bad as Kristen Stewart. Stone face...
Very interesting about the eyebrows. I never noticed that before, but I think it does play a big part of why I dislike her acting so much. Her face always seems too expressionless
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On April 17 2013 06:34 Serek wrote:Yeah, Edmure has behaved pretty much like in the books so far... I thought the Blackfish was pretty awesome too. I look forward to his return in the books 
Edmure and Blackfish are chosen very well, I could immediately tell who is supposed to be who the first second I saw them in the first scene. Good fits!
Edmure is a naive and egocentric fool in the books, too...
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Iain Glen REALLY needs to stop using the same voice inflections all the freaking time, it's annoying me to no end! That aside, this one was definetely the best episode of the season.
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On April 17 2013 07:50 IshinShishi wrote:
Iain Glen REALLY needs to stop using the same voice inflections all the freaking time, it's annoying me to no end! That aside, this one was definetely the best episode of the season.
I can't believe they assassinated Stannis' character. Lost all respect.
But no, that was a great episode, but the next one looks like a bunch of big story events will happen. Commander Mormont, Dany, Ramsay (ommggggg) and o(O?)thers probably.
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I freaking loved Blackfish so much in the book.
Something how Arya is scarred to go to him, might he even remember.
But then you see the guy is awesome and probably would have done anything he could to help Arya.
There is something about old men having more tricks left then you'd think.
Barristan...
There are really lots of characters that grows on me...
Bron, Yoren, Syrio, Clegane, Queen of Thorns...
People think Bran was warged when he tasted blood of Jojen.. ?
What I though was that the red paste was the blood of his father he could taste, the blood in the earth, tasted through the roots of the tree he was looking the scene with.
Maybe I just confuse two separate moments...
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On April 17 2013 07:53 IamVirGin wrote:
Something has to happen to some of the big players soon, I think.
Robb seems somewhat screwed. Winterfell burned (recent episode only reinforced my belief that it was the bolton bastard.) Theons sister still presumably rampages with her army. His men are losing faith. Frey will be angry. I think he will be betrayed by Lord Bolton who sits in Harrenhal. Bolton bastard burning Winterfell kinda hints to some kind of grudge between the houses. The other bolton man seemed quite loyal in bringing in Jaime though. Where is Lord Umber? He seemed Robbs most loyal general. Did he die?
Stannis needs some sort of comeback. He is a broken shell of a man, as is. I find him a really unlikable character, the way he doesn't give a shit about any of his most loyal men, he is supposedly so just and strong. But I've seen none of it, regardless of how badass that one comment about how thousands will die was. His salvation will probably come from the red womans journey though, which is unfortunate, because I strongly dislike her. It's implausible that he will shrivle up and be phased out now, or somehow die sometime soon.
Dany is still far away. Dragons are small still. Only 8000 men. She will be a force, that is obvious, but I doubt it will be this season. Wonder how they're gonna make her a threat but not overpowered, with dragons.
The Lannister-Tyrell alliance needs to be weakened, somehow. The marriage with Littlefinger to bring the Arryns into the alliance can't work right? They'd control everything, more or less, then.
OR we need some new players introduced. Tyrion mentions some bank they owe "tens of millions" to. A bank that can lend out tens of times the sum that Tywin lannister can loan out should probably be capable of mischief should they feel they're not getting their money back. Then there's the Dornish. We know nothing of them except they live in the south, and from the map and the fact that we haven't seen or even heard mention of them so far, probably quite secluded. Lastly I have no idea how strong the Brotherhood without banners is. At all. Some rag-tag band of men, as for now, albeit with a skilled bowman amongst them.
I realize that I've completely left out the situation beyond the wall. Dunno how much of an impact that will have, but the Starks (or the north in general) are fucked much before anyone else, in this regard. While I do actually like Jon Snow, and have enjoyed his history so far, I don't know if this story actually benefits from having this part in at all. We'll see I guess.
That guy from the no-books thread has obviously not read the books either... From the show, i wouldn't even remember anymore, that Bolton did send his "bastard-son" north. Yet all those guys see him as the one who catched Theon. zzzZZZzzz.
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On April 17 2013 10:17 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 07:53 IamVirGin wrote:
Something has to happen to some of the big players soon, I think.
Robb seems somewhat screwed. Winterfell burned (recent episode only reinforced my belief that it was the bolton bastard.) Theons sister still presumably rampages with her army. His men are losing faith. Frey will be angry. I think he will be betrayed by Lord Bolton who sits in Harrenhal. Bolton bastard burning Winterfell kinda hints to some kind of grudge between the houses. The other bolton man seemed quite loyal in bringing in Jaime though. Where is Lord Umber? He seemed Robbs most loyal general. Did he die?
Stannis needs some sort of comeback. He is a broken shell of a man, as is. I find him a really unlikable character, the way he doesn't give a shit about any of his most loyal men, he is supposedly so just and strong. But I've seen none of it, regardless of how badass that one comment about how thousands will die was. His salvation will probably come from the red womans journey though, which is unfortunate, because I strongly dislike her. It's implausible that he will shrivle up and be phased out now, or somehow die sometime soon.
Dany is still far away. Dragons are small still. Only 8000 men. She will be a force, that is obvious, but I doubt it will be this season. Wonder how they're gonna make her a threat but not overpowered, with dragons.
The Lannister-Tyrell alliance needs to be weakened, somehow. The marriage with Littlefinger to bring the Arryns into the alliance can't work right? They'd control everything, more or less, then.
OR we need some new players introduced. Tyrion mentions some bank they owe "tens of millions" to. A bank that can lend out tens of times the sum that Tywin lannister can loan out should probably be capable of mischief should they feel they're not getting their money back. Then there's the Dornish. We know nothing of them except they live in the south, and from the map and the fact that we haven't seen or even heard mention of them so far, probably quite secluded. Lastly I have no idea how strong the Brotherhood without banners is. At all. Some rag-tag band of men, as for now, albeit with a skilled bowman amongst them.
I realize that I've completely left out the situation beyond the wall. Dunno how much of an impact that will have, but the Starks (or the north in general) are fucked much before anyone else, in this regard. While I do actually like Jon Snow, and have enjoyed his history so far, I don't know if this story actually benefits from having this part in at all. We'll see I guess.
That guy from the no-books thread has obviously not read the books either... From the show, i wouldn't even remember anymore, that Bolton did send his "bastard-son" north. Yet all those guys see him as the one who catched Theon. zzzZZZzzz.
I think we need to start a *Spoilers* discussion on people spoiling in the No-Spoiler GOT thread thread. Getting kinda boring coming in hear to read every 5 posts someone trying to call BS on people in the other thread.
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I'm surprised by how many people, it seems, don't like Edmure. I always empathized with him in the books.
If I were to pick five still-living characters that I'm rooting for most, Edmure would be one of them. In no particular order, they would probably be Edmure, Jaime, Sansa, Theon and Margaery
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I've got no sympathy for Theon or Sansa.
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On April 17 2013 10:04 Beorn1 wrote:
OK i think I figured out what the khaleesi is thinking. Right before the trade scene Selmy says something along the lines of "When men fought for your father they did it out of love." and Jorah is like "Yea but he died." After reading some comments in this thread about sacking the city, I think she will buy the slaves and tell them they are free. So then she can have an army like her father or brother (forgot which one) where they will follow her out of choice.
THIS GUY!!
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On April 16 2013 05:35 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 04:07 daemir wrote:
Storm of Swords:
"I told you to hold Riverrun," said Robb. "What part of that command did you fail to comprehend?"
At the scene where Robb and Blackfish scold Edmure, right after the funeral ship.
I don't think you can put the command in more bluntly than that. You don't put people in command who need a list of 50 different parameters of what they are NOT allowed to do in direct violation of your order as king. EDMURE DID HOLD RIVERRUN. Who is holding Riverrun when Robb arrives? Edmure. Edmure held riverrun. He did not directly violate any of Robb's orders. It is Robb's fault for not telling Edmure his plans. Edmure is Robb's most powerful vassal, and needs to be in the loop
I'm assuming his orders to Edmure to hold riverrun was relayed by a raven. I'd like to point out that putting detailed battle plans is usually a bad idea since the quickest and most common way of communication is by ravens, and they are often intercepted. This would probably explain why Robb didn't explains his plans to Edmure before the meeting.
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On April 17 2013 14:36 Ace wrote:
I've got no sympathy for Theon or Sansa.
I guess that shows to each reader, his own interpretation. Because I find them two of the easiest characters to sympathize for
On April 17 2013 15:19 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:35 itkovian wrote:On April 16 2013 04:07 daemir wrote:
Storm of Swords:
"I told you to hold Riverrun," said Robb. "What part of that command did you fail to comprehend?"
At the scene where Robb and Blackfish scold Edmure, right after the funeral ship.
I don't think you can put the command in more bluntly than that. You don't put people in command who need a list of 50 different parameters of what they are NOT allowed to do in direct violation of your order as king. EDMURE DID HOLD RIVERRUN. Who is holding Riverrun when Robb arrives? Edmure. Edmure held riverrun. He did not directly violate any of Robb's orders. It is Robb's fault for not telling Edmure his plans. Edmure is Robb's most powerful vassal, and needs to be in the loop I'm assuming his orders to Edmure to hold riverrun was relayed by a raven. I'd like to point out that putting detailed battle plans is usually a bad idea since the quickest and most common way of communication is by ravens, and they are often intercepted. This would probably explain why Robb didn't explains his plans to Edmure before the meeting.
Yea, I you're probably right. I'm not sure how/when exactly Edmure was told. If that's the case, then its hard to put fault on Robb. But I still think its hard to put sole blame on Edmure, when he didn't directly contradict any orders (he held Riverrun, just as he was asked) and he wasn't provided complete information
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On April 17 2013 14:29 itkovian wrote:
I'm surprised by how many people, it seems, don't like Edmure. I always empathized with him in the books.
If I were to pick five still-living characters that I'm rooting for most, Edmure would be one of them. In no particular order, they would probably be Edmure, Jaime, Sansa, Theon and Margaery
He represents at least two things some people will dislike, particularly in combination. He is a coddled youngest child while the heir apparent-turned heir actual to a lot of wealth and power. From these factors he follows the negative stereotype by being all around inept yet prideful. He is also 2nd/3rd or so on the list of people who screwed Robb over most, and despite Robb being #1 on that list I imagine it is still an offense to many.
He might gain ground with the show portrayal. He is not nearly so guilty of harming the Stark cause the way the show is doing things. Robb's own movements render his glory-hunting at the mill not so harmful and they seem to have ignored that he threw away a large riverlands army by telling them all to go on home. Despite this, both Brynden and Robb were still brutal with him. That will naturally inspire some sympathy.
Also, to the less initiated (so basically every show-strict type) the mistake at the mill can seem like Robb's fault for not being more explicit with his instructions.
There is a trend of book and show versions of characters becoming muddled in the general perception. Dany and Sansa have been the strong examples. The same "phenomenon" will work in Edmure's favor.
Back to the books though, he will be fine. Tom has this! (probably not in a way that will actually save Edmure)
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Why Zombies cant be killed through straight shots ???
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On April 17 2013 16:09 patrick-cheq wrote:
Why Zombies cant be killed through straight shots ??? It's magic. Some things destroy them almost instantly, the rest has no effect on them (unless you chop them in really small bits).
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On April 17 2013 10:17 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 07:53 IamVirGin wrote:
Something has to happen to some of the big players soon, I think.
Robb seems somewhat screwed. Winterfell burned (recent episode only reinforced my belief that it was the bolton bastard.) Theons sister still presumably rampages with her army. His men are losing faith. Frey will be angry. I think he will be betrayed by Lord Bolton who sits in Harrenhal. Bolton bastard burning Winterfell kinda hints to some kind of grudge between the houses. The other bolton man seemed quite loyal in bringing in Jaime though. Where is Lord Umber? He seemed Robbs most loyal general. Did he die?
Stannis needs some sort of comeback. He is a broken shell of a man, as is. I find him a really unlikable character, the way he doesn't give a shit about any of his most loyal men, he is supposedly so just and strong. But I've seen none of it, regardless of how badass that one comment about how thousands will die was. His salvation will probably come from the red womans journey though, which is unfortunate, because I strongly dislike her. It's implausible that he will shrivle up and be phased out now, or somehow die sometime soon.
Dany is still far away. Dragons are small still. Only 8000 men. She will be a force, that is obvious, but I doubt it will be this season. Wonder how they're gonna make her a threat but not overpowered, with dragons.
The Lannister-Tyrell alliance needs to be weakened, somehow. The marriage with Littlefinger to bring the Arryns into the alliance can't work right? They'd control everything, more or less, then.
OR we need some new players introduced. Tyrion mentions some bank they owe "tens of millions" to. A bank that can lend out tens of times the sum that Tywin lannister can loan out should probably be capable of mischief should they feel they're not getting their money back. Then there's the Dornish. We know nothing of them except they live in the south, and from the map and the fact that we haven't seen or even heard mention of them so far, probably quite secluded. Lastly I have no idea how strong the Brotherhood without banners is. At all. Some rag-tag band of men, as for now, albeit with a skilled bowman amongst them.
I realize that I've completely left out the situation beyond the wall. Dunno how much of an impact that will have, but the Starks (or the north in general) are fucked much before anyone else, in this regard. While I do actually like Jon Snow, and have enjoyed his history so far, I don't know if this story actually benefits from having this part in at all. We'll see I guess.
That guy from the no-books thread has obviously not read the books either... From the show, i wouldn't even remember anymore, that Bolton did send his "bastard-son" north. Yet all those guys see him as the one who catched Theon. zzzZZZzzz.
I reported him, went through his posts every single one of them are reeking (excuse the pun) of book knowledge. And he states in one of them, he likes to guess and see how far off he is. Well, congratulation to him he guesses fairly accurately -.- duh, i hope Zatic perma bans him.
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Haha yeah he still claims via PM that he hasn't read the books. Too bad he also "guessed" things that happen in the books but turned out to not occur in the show.
Anyway this here should really not become a meta-moderating discussion. Please report spoilers via report function or PM, but stop reposting suspicious posts in this thread here.
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I hope next season the show just starts deviating wildly from the books. So people can finally stfu in the other thread comparing it to the books.
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On April 17 2013 08:21 0x64 wrote:
People think Bran was warged when he tasted blood of Jojen.. ?
What I though was that the red paste was the blood of his father he could taste, the blood in the earth, tasted through the roots of the tree he was looking the scene with.
Maybe I just confuse two separate moments...
Yea I also had a similar interpretation. I never caught on to the blood being Jojen's thing. I thought the blood was just supposed to represent that the heartwood trees are living things, like animals, things that can be warged into.
On a somewhat related note, what is the prevailing theory behind the Direwolves that the Stark kids find at the very beginning these days? Someone says that the gods wanted Lord Stark's children to have the wolves. But which gods? If its the Old gods we know now from Bran that there are individuals that can look through the eyes of these old gods. Perhaps Bran will become an Old god himself. My theory is that someone warged into the Direwolf mommy and sent her to deliver the pups to the Stark kids. Perhaps Coldhands, or Bran himself, since he seems to have some limited ability to time travel while warging. Or perhaps it was something more sinister, since the direwolves arriving coincides with the beginning of the end for House Stark. Perhaps the Stark kids gained the ability to warg from these direwolves.
I dunno but I've seen very little discussion on this since its literally the first thing that happens in the books aside from the prologue and considering it seems to be such a central event, kinda like the lightning striking the clock tower in Back to the Future...
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