EPTThe scene was some what amusing even though completely unbelieveable. Still they have so many story lines and characters to set up, to spend so much time on this made up story line that really adds nothing to the overall story. Considering they spend about 3-5 minutes covering a chapter of material on the show, that story line was the screen time equivalent of GRRM writing ~2 chapters on a sex scene for Pod.
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
The scene was some what amusing even though completely unbelieveable. Still they have so many story lines and characters to set up, to spend so much time on this made up story line that really adds nothing to the overall story. Considering they spend about 3-5 minutes covering a chapter of material on the show, that story line was the screen time equivalent of GRRM writing ~2 chapters on a sex scene for Pod. | ||
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TheFish7
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:36 TheFish7 wrote: Yea I also had a similar interpretation. I never caught on to the blood being Jojen's thing. I thought the blood was just supposed to represent that the heartwood trees are living things, like animals, things that can be warged into. On a somewhat related note, what is the prevailing theory behind the Direwolves that the Stark kids find at the very beginning these days? Someone says that the gods wanted Lord Stark's children to have the wolves. But which gods? If its the Old gods we know now from Bran that there are individuals that can look through the eyes of these old gods. Perhaps Bran will become an Old god himself. My theory is that someone warged into the Direwolf mommy and sent her to deliver the pups to the Stark kids. Perhaps Coldhands, or Bran himself, since he seems to have some limited ability to time travel while warging. Or perhaps it was something more sinister, since the direwolves arriving coincides with the beginning of the end for House Stark. Perhaps the Stark kids gained the ability to warg from these direwolves. I dunno but I've seen very little discussion on this since its literally the first thing that happens in the books aside from the prologue and considering it seems to be such a central event, kinda like the lightning striking the clock tower in Back to the Future... I don't think it's anything that meaningful. It's like a prophecy or omen, you don't really have to undertand the force behind it. I think it will remain very vague. | ||
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karazax
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:51 karazax wrote: I didn't think it was funny enough to warrant as much time as they spent on it. There is so much that is cut from the book due to lack of screen time to say that they "needed" to add this is a stretch. Three different whores all thinking a virgin is so good in bed that they refuse to take his money is argueably more fantasy than dragons and white walkers, lol. "Realistically" it would have cost the whores to sleep with Pod since they would still owe Littlefinger his cut. I thought so, too, but then someone mentioned that Tyrion obviously had paid the whores in advance and made them give Pod the extra money back to boost his confidence. And that suddenly made the scene awesome. Besides, the writers don't look at things from a book fan's perspective. They'll never ask themselves, "Could we scrap this new scene and put one from the books in instead?" All that matters is whether the show/episode/scene works as a self contained entity. And in this case, it absolutely did. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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moktira
Ireland1548 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:36 TheFish7 wrote: Yea I also had a similar interpretation. I never caught on to the blood being Jojen's thing. I thought the blood was just supposed to represent that the heartwood trees are living things, like animals, things that can be warged into. On a somewhat related note, what is the prevailing theory behind the Direwolves that the Stark kids find at the very beginning these days? Someone says that the gods wanted Lord Stark's children to have the wolves. But which gods? If its the Old gods we know now from Bran that there are individuals that can look through the eyes of these old gods. Perhaps Bran will become an Old god himself. My theory is that someone warged into the Direwolf mommy and sent her to deliver the pups to the Stark kids. Perhaps Coldhands, or Bran himself, since he seems to have some limited ability to time travel while warging. Or perhaps it was something more sinister, since the direwolves arriving coincides with the beginning of the end for House Stark. Perhaps the Stark kids gained the ability to warg from these direwolves. I dunno but I've seen very little discussion on this since its literally the first thing that happens in the books aside from the prologue and considering it seems to be such a central event, kinda like the lightning striking the clock tower in Back to the Future... Wasn't the mother wolf killed by an antler of a deer? So I always thought it symbolised that House Baratheon and Stark would bring each other down. This was then pretty much fulfilled by Ned agreeing to become Robert's hand despite not wanting to and since then both their houses have completely fallen from power. The wolf pups then were lost without their mother and perhaps that somehow translates to all the Stark kids getting completely separated. However it's worth noting that the pups do survive indicating the Stark house is not dead. I do not think it was a gift from the gods specifically but my interpretation of this is perhaps a bit simplistic. On April 17 2013 23:45 TheFish7 wrote: Well they needed some comic relief considering they had 2 almost rape scenes and also bodyparts getting chopped off I thought this too because it was a pretty bleak episode overall so they had a few sort of light moments too. Also I agree with the complaints about Stannis in this episode, I always viewed Stannis as having a very strict sense of justice and being seemingly asexual, I did not like his desire for Melisandre's body here. It took away a lot from him. I always kind of root for Stannis. | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:43 karazax wrote: Someone suggested a few pages ago that Tyrion had paid them beforehand, and that them refusing the money was in fact part of the performance. This would certainly make sense.The Pod sex scene and all the set up and aftermath from it sure was long for something completely made up by the writers. Apparently virgin Pod is the most gifted lover on the earth for 3 whores to turn down his money. The scene was some what amusing even though completely unbelieveable. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:56 Conti wrote: I thought so, too, but then someone mentioned that Tyrion obviously had paid the whores in advance and made them give Pod the extra money back to boost his confidence. And that suddenly made the scene awesome. Besides, the writers don't look at things from a book fan's perspective. They'll never ask themselves, "Could we scrap this new scene and put one from the books in instead?" All that matters is whether the show/episode/scene works as a self contained entity. And in this case, it absolutely did. If Tyrion had paid the whores to say that then it would have made a little bit more sense (though he would certainly be setting up Pod for major let down on what every woman after that would think of him.) Ran, who runs westeros.org and has already seen episode 4 posted this minor spoiler regarding Pod's sexual prowess: + Show Spoiler + Ran wrote: I'd just like to point out, for those really hoping that the Podrick farce was really the result of Tyrion or Littlefinger or someone, anyone, paying the prostitutes to refuse to take Pod's money, as some means of boosting Pod's ego or something (aside: what I wonder about this idea is... is whoever going to pay the rest of the women Podrick ever sleeps with? Because otherwise, they're just setting him up for disappointment when he learns he was never the World's Greatest Lover): No. Episode four makes it very plain that Podrick is really just so very spectacular in bed. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/84993-book-spoilers-pod-and-whores/page__st__400 Certainly the writers don't have to look at it from a reader's perspective, but it's hard to sympathize with them using the excuse that they wanted to include more scenes from the book but there just wasn't enough time with all the material they have to cover when they spent more time on Pod's sexual adventures than they did on some of the PoV characters last episode. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On April 17 2013 06:17 Thrill wrote: They're handling this season much better than the last one. Could be simply because book 2 was too big to fit in a season. I'll just have to pretend S2 doesn't exist. As for adding some content as well as opinion, is Brutus from Rome supposed to be Edmure? I'll forgive them because it's a good way to develop a character for a strong actor but he really is nothing like the book? Worst case scenario is that they keep Robb's wife around after his death, terrible actress, lazily written crap character, obviously not as horrid as "Roz" but comes pretty close. heh... yeah, but at least Roz is eyecandy+boobs. | ||
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
Stuff I saw in the show that I'm pretty sure is different: - Robb married some foreign girl from camp (Season 2). 99% sure that's a TV show invention. I remember Robb marrying some girl from nowhere, but I also thought it happened in Riverrun and she certainly was Westerosi. - The Reeds (Jojen and his sister) showing up on the road: I'm also pretty sure I remember Jojen and his sister being with Bran since they left Winterfell, as they are distant cousins or Stark bannermen or something like that. I can understand why the TV show waited to introduce them as they don't really matter until Bran starts his Warg-ing later on, but I thought they had been with them through out. Things I'm much less sure of: - Jaime's hand getting cut off: I remember this being done at Harrenhal by Vargo Hoat. I don't recall in the show them calling him by that name, but it could be him. Though I thought I saw the banner of a flayed man in the background when they captured Brienne and Jaime, so that threw me off. That and the guy didn't lisp, so I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be him or not. Not really an important change, just weird that they changed it. - Tyrion as Master of Coin: Did this ever happen? I recall Tywin coming back to King's landing after the Blackwater and taking over as the Hand. I recall they sent off Littlefinger to the Eyrie, but I seem to remember one of Cercei's men (Janos Slynt?) getting made the master of coin and then being really bad at it. Probably just mis-remembering on this one, I'm guessing. - The Brotherhood of No Banners (or whatever they are calling them): Arya running into Thoros of Myr and running off with the Brotherhood is something I don't remember at all. I know she wandered around abit before ending up in Bravos with the Faceless Men, but I thought it was with the Hound and that the Thoros and crew didn't even show up until way later (after the Red Wedding and all). Feel free to shoot down my poor memory as you see fit. I'm liking the show so far, and I don't really mind any of the changes yet. Mostly it is just making me want to go read the books again. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 18 2013 01:21 Rayeth wrote: Since this thread is all about the spoilery stuff and it has been years since I read the books, I wanted to run down a list of things from the show that feel like they have been changed in the show and hopefully someone will tell me if I'm remembering some of these things correctly. Mostly, because I feel like the show has finally started to run off the rails here in Season 3 (though Season 2 had it's share of non-book moments). I'll order this list from stuff I'm pretty sure is different to stuff I kinda vaguely remember. Stuff I saw in the show that I'm pretty sure is different: - Robb married some foreign girl from camp (Season 2). 99% sure that's a TV show invention. I remember Robb marrying some girl from nowhere, but I also thought it happened in Riverrun and she certainly was Westerosi. - The Reeds (Jojen and his sister) showing up on the road: I'm also pretty sure I remember Jojen and his sister being with Bran since they left Winterfell, as they are distant cousins or Stark bannermen or something like that. I can understand why the TV show waited to introduce them as they don't really matter until Bran starts his Warg-ing later on, but I thought they had been with them through out. Things I'm much less sure of: - Jaime's hand getting cut off: I remember this being done at Harrenhal by Vargo Hoat. I don't recall in the show them calling him by that name, but it could be him. Though I thought I saw the banner of a flayed man in the background when they captured Brienne and Jaime, so that threw me off. That and the guy didn't lisp, so I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be him or not. Not really an important change, just weird that they changed it. - Tyrion as Master of Coin: Did this ever happen? I recall Tywin coming back to King's landing after the Blackwater and taking over as the Hand. I recall they sent off Littlefinger to the Eyrie, but I seem to remember one of Cercei's men (Janos Slynt?) getting made the master of coin and then being really bad at it. Probably just mis-remembering on this one, I'm guessing. - The Brotherhood of No Banners (or whatever they are calling them): Arya running into Thoros of Myr and running off with the Brotherhood is something I don't remember at all. I know she wandered around abit before ending up in Bravos with the Faceless Men, but I thought it was with the Hound and that the Thoros and crew didn't even show up until way later (after the Red Wedding and all). Feel free to shoot down my poor memory as you see fit. I'm liking the show so far, and I don't really mind any of the changes yet. Mostly it is just making me want to go read the books again. Close. Jaime's hand got cut off before Harrenhall in the books. This new guy is supposed to be a different version of Hoat, who they can't have because in England it's illegal (or close to) to make fun of people with speech impediments on TV. So rather than making a Hoat who talks normal, they just put this guy in. Which is fine, it also removes the need to explain the Brave Companions, which would just eat up time. The fact that he's a Bolton bannerman just jumps past the whole "Brave companions switch sides from Lannister to Bolton, and then Bolton switches sides from Stark to Lannister" in the books. Tyrion was master of coin for a short while in the books, unless I'm terribly mistaken, but they never really talked about it much past him getting the position and then complaining about it once or twice. It's more just an excuse to keep him on the Small Council. Arya does indeed run into the Brotherhood Without Banners, but it was Tom of Sevenstreams that she met first, rather than Thoros (whose TV version seems to be a mix between Thoros and Tom, and maybe Lem). The capture of Sandor and the duel in the next episode were a big part of Arya's story in ASoS. Her story so far has been pretty close to the books, with some slight deviations (in S2 they never found that one castle, but still fought the Lannisters, how she escaped Harrenhall, etc) | ||
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pwncakery
Canada131 Posts
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
On April 18 2013 01:21 Rayeth wrote: Since this thread is all about the spoilery stuff and it has been years since I read the books, I wanted to run down a list of things from the show that feel like they have been changed in the show and hopefully someone will tell me if I'm remembering some of these things correctly. Mostly, because I feel like the show has finally started to run off the rails here in Season 3 (though Season 2 had it's share of non-book moments). I'll order this list from stuff I'm pretty sure is different to stuff I kinda vaguely remember. Stuff I saw in the show that I'm pretty sure is different: - Robb married some foreign girl from camp (Season 2). 99% sure that's a TV show invention. I remember Robb marrying some girl from nowhere, but I also thought it happened in Riverrun and she certainly was Westerosi. - The Reeds (Jojen and his sister) showing up on the road: I'm also pretty sure I remember Jojen and his sister being with Bran since they left Winterfell, as they are distant cousins or Stark bannermen or something like that. I can understand why the TV show waited to introduce them as they don't really matter until Bran starts his Warg-ing later on, but I thought they had been with them through out. Things I'm much less sure of: - Jaime's hand getting cut off: I remember this being done at Harrenhal by Vargo Hoat. I don't recall in the show them calling him by that name, but it could be him. Though I thought I saw the banner of a flayed man in the background when they captured Brienne and Jaime, so that threw me off. That and the guy didn't lisp, so I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be him or not. Not really an important change, just weird that they changed it. - Tyrion as Master of Coin: Did this ever happen? I recall Tywin coming back to King's landing after the Blackwater and taking over as the Hand. I recall they sent off Littlefinger to the Eyrie, but I seem to remember one of Cercei's men (Janos Slynt?) getting made the master of coin and then being really bad at it. Probably just mis-remembering on this one, I'm guessing. - The Brotherhood of No Banners (or whatever they are calling them): Arya running into Thoros of Myr and running off with the Brotherhood is something I don't remember at all. I know she wandered around abit before ending up in Bravos with the Faceless Men, but I thought it was with the Hound and that the Thoros and crew didn't even show up until way later (after the Red Wedding and all). Feel free to shoot down my poor memory as you see fit. I'm liking the show so far, and I don't really mind any of the changes yet. Mostly it is just making me want to go read the books again. - Yes Robb married a girl from a small family from some island, not a girl from camp. - Reeds were at Winterfell when Theon took it, and were with Bran from book 2, but were just casted in this season, and that's why they are introduced now. - They are completely ditching Vargo, as well as some other characters (Belvas) and are changing the story, so that now Bolton men find him directly and chop his hand off. Their leaders name is Locke or something like that, and he doesn't talk funny because the producers are fearing lawsuits are gonna come if they make him do it. - Janos Slint is going to the wall at this time and Tyrion was made master of coin, and he had a very hard time understanding Littlefinger's books. - Arya met the guy with the lemon cloak, Angai the archer, and the singer guy from whom I've only seen the archer in the series, and was only later introduced to Thoros and sir Berick, and the Hound came to them even later and fought with Berick for his freedom and won, and after that he kidnapped Arya from the brotherhood. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:45 TheFish7 wrote: Well they needed some comic relief considering they had 2 almost rape scenes and also bodyparts getting chopped off This. There needs to be a relief of tension between the important or highly tense scenes. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 18 2013 01:34 pwncakery wrote: Did Melissandre mysteriously leave stannis without an explanation in the books like she's doing in the show? I've read all the books but it's been a while... Nope. This is probably about a major change in the storyline. There is also no Edric Storm. So she now has to find someone to sacrifice to her god. We dont know who it will be or what she is going to do. Some speculate about Gendry. I kind of like this, because it creates some suspense for people that have read the books. For once we dont know what is going to happen.  | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 18 2013 01:41 Redox wrote: Nope. This is probably about a major change in the storyline. There is also no Edric Storm. So she now has to find someone to sacrifice to her god. We dont know who it will be or what she is going to do. Some speculate about Gendry. I kind of like this, because it creates some suspense for people that have read the books. For once we dont know what is going to happen. Hopefully her finding someone with king's blood means we're going to have more Davos scenes. The only thing I find off about her going after Gendry is that she'll likely try to bring him back to Dragonstone. But Gendry shows up again in a couple Brienne chapters of aFfC, which means either they're going to change that pretty significantly, or that Davos will just send him back to the Brotherhood rather than overseas to get Gendry away from Melisandre. | ||
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kleetzor
Germany360 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:59 moktira wrote: Wasn't the mother wolf killed by an antler of a deer? So I always thought it symbolised that House Baratheon and Stark would bring each other down. This was then pretty much fulfilled by Ned agreeing to become Robert's hand despite not wanting to and since then both their houses have completely fallen from power. The wolf pups then were lost without their mother and perhaps that somehow translates to all the Stark kids getting completely separated. However it's worth noting that the pups do survive indicating the Stark house is not dead. I do not think it was a gift from the gods specifically but my interpretation of this is perhaps a bit simplistic. I thought this too because it was a pretty bleak episode overall so they had a few sort of light moments too. Also I agree with the complaints about Stannis in this episode, I always viewed Stannis as having a very strict sense of justice and being seemingly asexual, I did not like his desire for Melisandre's body here. It took away a lot from him. I always kind of root for Stannis. I think the scene was not correctly played or staged. My problem with it is that it's not clear if Stannis really wanted her sexually OR as he implies seconds before that, he wants "another child" to kill Robb, Greyjoy and Joff. So maybe he thought he could appeal to her in a sexual way in order to make her spawn a ghost-monster-thing again in order to kill the other kings. | ||
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doner0
United States233 Posts
ok can someone remind me about this part of the book in the show cause doesn't theon not escape? and that is why he became reek so are they just completely avoiding that part of the story? this may have been in a post before but i didn't see it | ||
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