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On April 15 2013 21:58 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm). Beric Dondarrion. They can't change the plot THAT much using Shireen, it'll probably be Gendry
Why not? Only point of using Edric in books is so Davos can send him away to save his and his lords "soul". And red woman already uses his blood by then but does not kill him. In the show they can have Stannis give his daughter to red woman and then Davos makes him change his mind so Red Woman only uses some of her blood but does not kill her.
Gendry could also be a candidate, but she cannot get to him so easily, that would be a big flaw in the story (both book and tv).
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On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm).
isnt Kissed By Fire how the free folk call red heads? So it'll probably be lots of painful love scenes between Jon and the girl
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On April 15 2013 21:58 crow_mw wrote:
People in this thread are very eager to see the reactions to RW, but I wonder if the series does a good enough job of making people care for Robb. When I was reading the book 'the young wolf' seemed like the only person who could lead to a positive ending. Things were really going bad for him, when suddenly a chance to reestablish alliance with Freys appeared. Out of 'nothing good can happen' suddenly a light of hope appeared. While Ned's death was a shocker, it was more like an opening to the entire series. RW was even stronger, as it definitely meant there can be no happily ever after.
But do the show watchers care enough for Robb? They love Tyrion, they love Danny, but the young wolf seems like a secondary character...
I don't think the RW was so shocking because Robb died. It was so shocking because it was one of those moments that are just not supposed to happen according to The Plot. Everything in the show is gearing up towards a big battle of Robb's men vs. Tywin's men, be it a literal battle or something more sneaky or subtle. But it's obvious that this season is about those two big parties clashing at some point in some big way. Despite all the characters the show has, it's still all about the Starks vs. the Lannisters. Both have big armies, both control half the kingdom, both are trying to kill the other, etc.
And then the RW happens. And suddenly one of the two major forces in the show is wiped out with zero losses for the other one. That's what will be so shocking about it, IMHO, and you don't have to care for Robb or Catelyn for it to work. It's all your expectations about where the plot will be going thrown out of the window, just like that.
Also, non-book readers seem to hate Dany as much as us book readers used to hate Sansa.
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On April 15 2013 22:08 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 21:58 KOFgokuon wrote:On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm). Beric Dondarrion. They can't change the plot THAT much using Shireen, it'll probably be Gendry Why not? Only point of using Edric in books is so Davos can send him away to save his and his lords "soul". And red woman already uses his blood by then but does not kill him. In the show they can have Stannis give his daughter to red woman and then Davos makes him change his mind so Red Woman only uses some of her blood but does not kill her. Gendry could also be a candidate, but she cannot get to him so easily, that would be a big flaw in the story (both book and tv).
It's far more likely to be Gendry. They're not going to spontaneously introduce Stannis' daughter and act like she's just been in the background for three seasons. This isn't Lost, after all. 
And doesn't it depend on how it's done? Gendry isn't really an important character in the books, and he could easily be used by Melisandre, saved by Davos and then sent home again after he lost some blood. The only thing that matters is how Melisandre will be able to abduct him, and if it will be convincing.
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On April 15 2013 22:09 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm). isnt Kissed By Fire how the free folk call red heads? So it'll probably be lots of painful love scenes between Jon and the girl
Yes, I forgot about that. I just hope two of them don't get to have sex and then she dies in same episode.
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On April 15 2013 22:18 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:08 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 21:58 KOFgokuon wrote:On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm). Beric Dondarrion. They can't change the plot THAT much using Shireen, it'll probably be Gendry Why not? Only point of using Edric in books is so Davos can send him away to save his and his lords "soul". And red woman already uses his blood by then but does not kill him. In the show they can have Stannis give his daughter to red woman and then Davos makes him change his mind so Red Woman only uses some of her blood but does not kill her. Gendry could also be a candidate, but she cannot get to him so easily, that would be a big flaw in the story (both book and tv). It's far more likely to be Gendry. They're not going to spontaneously introduce Stannis' daughter and act like she's just been in the background for three seasons. This isn't Lost, after all. And doesn't it depend on how it's done? Gendry isn't really an important character in the books, and he could easily be used by Melisandre, saved by Davos and then sent home again after he lost some blood. The only thing that matters is how Melisandre will be able to abduct him, and if it will be convincing.
Gendry is in the midle of the BWB atm. It would be a far bigger deus ex machina to have Melisandre pop up in the middle of the Riverlands just to snatch Gendry and come back to Dragonstone than it would to grab Edric Storm/Shireen or some other unnamed bastard of Robert's from somewhere nearby.
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the ending, god damn 
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enjoying the season so far, esp the way they are trying to make Jamie more likeable (I do like him a lot in the books). Only story I feel is not been fleshed out enough is the Jon Snow story. Not enough mingling with wildlings or his gf maybe, but meh. Don't think I'll really care at any point as I did when reading the books..
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On April 15 2013 22:27 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:18 Conti wrote:On April 15 2013 22:08 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 21:58 KOFgokuon wrote:On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm). Beric Dondarrion. They can't change the plot THAT much using Shireen, it'll probably be Gendry Why not? Only point of using Edric in books is so Davos can send him away to save his and his lords "soul". And red woman already uses his blood by then but does not kill him. In the show they can have Stannis give his daughter to red woman and then Davos makes him change his mind so Red Woman only uses some of her blood but does not kill her. Gendry could also be a candidate, but she cannot get to him so easily, that would be a big flaw in the story (both book and tv). It's far more likely to be Gendry. They're not going to spontaneously introduce Stannis' daughter and act like she's just been in the background for three seasons. This isn't Lost, after all. And doesn't it depend on how it's done? Gendry isn't really an important character in the books, and he could easily be used by Melisandre, saved by Davos and then sent home again after he lost some blood. The only thing that matters is how Melisandre will be able to abduct him, and if it will be convincing. Gendry is in the midle of the BWB atm. It would be a far bigger deus ex machina to have Melisandre pop up in the middle of the Riverlands just to snatch Gendry and come back to Dragonstone than it would to grab Edric Storm/Shireen or some other unnamed bastard of Robert's from somewhere nearby.
Yes. But then again, it's Melisandre. Some good writing plus some red magic could work around that. I agree that it'd still be a bit of a stretch, however.
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The amount of subtle spoiling in the TV-show thread is hilarious. There is obviously a bunch of people who have read the books and are making posts like
Assuming Jaime makes it back to his family at some point, i wonder what Tywin will think of him now. Being one of the greatest fighters around, would losing his main hand be enough to get him classed as a cripple?
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So, do you guys think Dany is really going to trade one of her dragons for those slaves? That seems really out of character for her. My guess is she hands over the dragon and then commands it to kill that asshole slaver, or something similar.
it's like this after every episode -.a bunch of suspiciously accurate "guessing."
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I almost spew milk on my monitor when they named that sex position or w//e the "mereneese knot". A double needle to us readers who bitch about 2 things most of all
1. Things that slow down Martin in this writing (such as the infamous Mereneese knot)
2. Added whorehouse scenes in the series.
Very well played D&D, they seem to make a habit of it, Tyrion's nose, now this 
On April 15 2013 22:47 Quotidian wrote:The amount of subtle spoiling in the TV-show thread is hilarious. There are obviously a bunch of people who have read the books and are making posts like Show nested quote +
Assuming Jaime makes it back to his family at some point, i wonder what Tywin will think of him now. Being one of the greatest fighters around, would losing his main hand be enough to get him classed as a cripple?
or Show nested quote +
So, do you guys think Dany is really going to trade one of her dragons for those slaves? That seems really out of character for her. My guess is she hands over the dragon and then commands it to kill that asshole slaver, or something similar.
it's like this after every episode -.a bunch of suspiciously accurate "guessing."
that thread is full of assholes who like to predict the correct thing, but even so, this can be figured out fairly easily, so it's not impossible some people actually guessed it. Some other comments though earlier in that thread are clearly assholes pretending they are not readers and they obviously are.
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Seeing Jamie lose his hand made me think back to ADWD, and I couldn't really remember where Jamie was at at the end of the book. I don't think we'll see how successful Jamie's left handed training has been until he fights for Cersei. Also it's funny how everyone watching the TV show only has suddenly started liking Jamie.
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On April 15 2013 22:18 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:08 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 21:58 KOFgokuon wrote:On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm). Beric Dondarrion. They can't change the plot THAT much using Shireen, it'll probably be Gendry Why not? Only point of using Edric in books is so Davos can send him away to save his and his lords "soul". And red woman already uses his blood by then but does not kill him. In the show they can have Stannis give his daughter to red woman and then Davos makes him change his mind so Red Woman only uses some of her blood but does not kill her. Gendry could also be a candidate, but she cannot get to him so easily, that would be a big flaw in the story (both book and tv). It's far more likely to be Gendry. They're not going to spontaneously introduce Stannis' daughter and act like she's just been in the background for three seasons. This isn't Lost, after all. And doesn't it depend on how it's done? Gendry isn't really an important character in the books, and he could easily be used by Melisandre, saved by Davos and then sent home again after he lost some blood. The only thing that matters is how Melisandre will be able to abduct him, and if it will be convincing. `
Mireen has been casted already for the show, so she is someway in this season, and I think it's gonna be shit storm between Stannis and Melisandre about burning her and the alternatives etc. I can see that happening.
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On April 15 2013 22:47 Geo.Rion wrote:I almost spew milk on my monitor when they named that sex position or w//e the "mereneese knot". A double needle to us readers who bitch about 2 things most of all 1. Things that slow down Martin in this writing (such as the infamous Mereneese knot) 2. Added whorehouse scenes in the series. Very well played D&D, they seem to make a habit of it, Tyrion's nose, now this Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:47 Quotidian wrote:The amount of subtle spoiling in the TV-show thread is hilarious. There are obviously a bunch of people who have read the books and are making posts like
Assuming Jaime makes it back to his family at some point, i wonder what Tywin will think of him now. Being one of the greatest fighters around, would losing his main hand be enough to get him classed as a cripple?
or
So, do you guys think Dany is really going to trade one of her dragons for those slaves? That seems really out of character for her. My guess is she hands over the dragon and then commands it to kill that asshole slaver, or something similar.
it's like this after every episode -.a bunch of suspiciously accurate "guessing." that thread is full of assholes who like to predict the correct thing, but even so, this can be figured out fairly easily, so it's not impossible some people actually guessed it. Some other comments though earlier in that thread are clearly assholes pretending they are not readers and they obviously are.
Someone should check if some of these posters post as well in this thread, and then report them. :D
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On April 15 2013 22:47 Quotidian wrote:The amount of subtle spoiling in the TV-show thread is hilarious. There is obviously a bunch of people who have read the books and are making posts like Show nested quote +
Assuming Jaime makes it back to his family at some point, i wonder what Tywin will think of him now. Being one of the greatest fighters around, would losing his main hand be enough to get him classed as a cripple?
or Show nested quote +
So, do you guys think Dany is really going to trade one of her dragons for those slaves? That seems really out of character for her. My guess is she hands over the dragon and then commands it to kill that asshole slaver, or something similar.
it's like this after every episode -.a bunch of suspiciously accurate "guessing."
meh it doesn't take a genius to figure out that dany's not gonna give up a dragon....if you're gonna classify painfully obvious guesses as spoilers u might as well put no predicting future events period -_-. To me an undercover book spoiler is something like people "guessing" its Ramsay torturing Theon and burning down Winterfell when no indication was given of it at all on the show.
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On April 15 2013 21:58 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm). Beric Dondarrion. They can't change the plot THAT much using Shireen, it'll probably be Gendry Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 20:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I didn't like how they're slandering Jamies swordsmanskills. Maybe it was ment as banter from Brienne but they didn't make it come of that way. He was the best and I don't understand why they are undermining that as they cut of his hand.
Also didn't like how they made Edmure look like an incapable fool. I guess it's for the audience so they can label people easier but I really hate unjust character bashing.
Edmure IS useless, they're doing him justice because overall he just sucks
How is Edmure useless? You need to reread the books and stop sucking robbs dick during that. His only fault in the books is he saw an opportunity to win a battle and he took it. Then Robb comes back and goes apeshit because his actions thwarted his grand plans when all of it is actually his own fault for not informing one of his most important if not the most important commander of his plans. Edmure gets a shit ton of blame for that from Robb. ROBB, not G.R.R.M. It's like how Robert said Rhaegar was a jerk.
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On April 15 2013 23:17 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 21:58 KOFgokuon wrote:On April 15 2013 21:49 -Archangel- wrote:On April 15 2013 20:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Dracarys next ep I think? Ep 5 is called Kissed by fire which would be more appropriate, but I don't know if they can stretch it that long.
Kissed by fire reminds me more of Hound duel vs leader of Brotherhood(forgot the name :D) and then Thoros bringing him back to life. And then probably Red Woman using Stannis's daughter blood for her magic (I think she will be used for that role instead of Edric Storm). Beric Dondarrion. They can't change the plot THAT much using Shireen, it'll probably be Gendry On April 15 2013 20:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I didn't like how they're slandering Jamies swordsmanskills. Maybe it was ment as banter from Brienne but they didn't make it come of that way. He was the best and I don't understand why they are undermining that as they cut of his hand.
Also didn't like how they made Edmure look like an incapable fool. I guess it's for the audience so they can label people easier but I really hate unjust character bashing.
Edmure IS useless, they're doing him justice because overall he just sucks How is Edmure useless? You need to reread the books and stop sucking robbs dick during that. His only fault in the books is he saw an opportunity to win a battle and he took it. Then Robb comes back and goes apeshit because his actions thwarted his grand plans when all of it is actually his own fault for not informing one of his most important if not the most important commander of his plans. Edmure gets a shit ton of blame for that from Robb. ROBB, not G.R.R.M. It's like how Robert said Rhaegar was a jerk.
He didnt follow orders, which basically lost them the war.
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On April 15 2013 23:15 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:47 Quotidian wrote:The amount of subtle spoiling in the TV-show thread is hilarious. There is obviously a bunch of people who have read the books and are making posts like
Assuming Jaime makes it back to his family at some point, i wonder what Tywin will think of him now. Being one of the greatest fighters around, would losing his main hand be enough to get him classed as a cripple?
or
So, do you guys think Dany is really going to trade one of her dragons for those slaves? That seems really out of character for her. My guess is she hands over the dragon and then commands it to kill that asshole slaver, or something similar.
it's like this after every episode -.a bunch of suspiciously accurate "guessing." meh it doesn't take a genius to figure out that dany's not gonna give up a dragon....if you're gonna classify painfully obvious guesses as spoilers u might as well put no predicting future events period -_-. To me an undercover book spoiler is something like people "guessing" its Ramsay torturing Theon and burning down Winterfell when no indication was given of it at all on the show.
People have spontaneously guessed Ramsay burning down Winterfell and taking Theon hostage in that thread before, actually.
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On April 15 2013 23:25 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 23:15 antelope591 wrote:On April 15 2013 22:47 Quotidian wrote:The amount of subtle spoiling in the TV-show thread is hilarious. There is obviously a bunch of people who have read the books and are making posts like
Assuming Jaime makes it back to his family at some point, i wonder what Tywin will think of him now. Being one of the greatest fighters around, would losing his main hand be enough to get him classed as a cripple?
or
So, do you guys think Dany is really going to trade one of her dragons for those slaves? That seems really out of character for her. My guess is she hands over the dragon and then commands it to kill that asshole slaver, or something similar.
it's like this after every episode -.a bunch of suspiciously accurate "guessing." meh it doesn't take a genius to figure out that dany's not gonna give up a dragon....if you're gonna classify painfully obvious guesses as spoilers u might as well put no predicting future events period -_-. To me an undercover book spoiler is something like people "guessing" its Ramsay torturing Theon and burning down Winterfell when no indication was given of it at all on the show. People have spontaneously guessed Ramsay burning down Winterfell and taking Theon hostage in that thread before, actually.
yea thats why I used it as an example -_-
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On April 15 2013 23:15 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:47 Quotidian wrote:The amount of subtle spoiling in the TV-show thread is hilarious. There is obviously a bunch of people who have read the books and are making posts like
Assuming Jaime makes it back to his family at some point, i wonder what Tywin will think of him now. Being one of the greatest fighters around, would losing his main hand be enough to get him classed as a cripple?
or
So, do you guys think Dany is really going to trade one of her dragons for those slaves? That seems really out of character for her. My guess is she hands over the dragon and then commands it to kill that asshole slaver, or something similar.
it's like this after every episode -.a bunch of suspiciously accurate "guessing." meh it doesn't take a genius to figure out that dany's not gonna give up a dragon....if you're gonna classify painfully obvious guesses as spoilers u might as well put no predicting future events period -_-. To me an undercover book spoiler is something like people "guessing" its Ramsay torturing Theon and burning down Winterfell when no indication was given of it at all on the show.
sure, that is one of the more obvious plot developments, Tywin being disgusted by his now-crippled son isn't though. Nor would a new viewer even know if they'd even meet again, and I don't think how Jaime is going to be received by his father is the most immediate concern for the audience either. That one is an obvious spoiler/troll
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