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itkovian
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Acrofales
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On April 04 2013 23:34 antelope591 wrote: Agreed about Dany I think her character is towards the bottom tier as far as book to TV conversion which really speaks volume to how well acted the show is because she's still decent. Along with Cersei I'd say she's decent but could be better. I find Cersei one of the better conversions. Not fond of Robb or Catelyn. Littlefinger is obviously the worst. The series version is a caricature of the book character. Best conversions are probably Stannis, Davos, Sam and Jaime. | ||
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Requizen
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On April 05 2013 00:29 Acrofales wrote: I find Cersei one of the better conversions. Not fond of Robb or Catelyn. Littlefinger is obviously the worst. The series version is a caricature of the book character. Best conversions are probably Stannis, Davos, Sam and Jaime. Jaime hasn't been around much in the first 2 seasons (fair, since it was that way with the books as well), but he's been impeccable at nearly every turn. Psyched for Sunday more or less just for him. | ||
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karazax
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On April 04 2013 06:11 Geo.Rion wrote: Most everyone is balding or bald in the books... Sure and none of them are ever hinted as being attractive to Dany. Dario and Khal Drogo both have plenty of hair on their head. On April 04 2013 06:11 Geo.Rion wrote: But on the time-frame, yes it's obvious the show will catch up to the books, im not sure if we had this discussion here already or was it over at wic.net. I assume they will make 5 seasons from the 3rd, 4th,5th combined, but they might only make 4, we shall see. anyways the possibilities> 1. GRRM goes into uber-writing mode and they can continue with 1 season per year (nye impossible) 2. They take a break or two between the later seasons. Wouldnt be the first show to do so. 3. They make a mini-series or a spin-off season out of the Dunk and Egg tales, or Robert's rebellion. Most people expect the D&Egg, but i think there s way more potential in the latter one, with Lyanna and Rhaegar getting introduced and still have some familiar characters as their younger selves, Ned, Robert, Jaime, Cercei, Selmy etc Regarding outpacing the books: Actually, "I guess we spend more time worrying than the fans," Benioff said. The two of them visited Martin at his home in Santa Fe back in February to pump him for information about where all the stories are going, so they can properly set them up in the world of the show, and "It was incredibly useful," according to Benioff. "There's no question that this will be better for us if the books come out before the various seasons come out," Benioff added. "That said, we're not going to take a two-year hiatus (to wait for a book). The little kids are growing older, the show's got momentum now, and the show must go on. We're just hopeful that it will all time out." It's already been reported in the past that Martin told them how the series ends, Martin just hasn't figured out all the details of how they are going to get to that ending. But they have already shown they aren't afraid to drastically change the story lines as they see fit. Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/game-of-thrones-producers-say-season-3-as-big-as-were-going-to-get#4K3bLsCrCqbd4mIP.99 On April 04 2013 06:11 Geo.Rion wrote: Edit> yes, i ve read that too, very small chance of TWoW getting released at the same time they airing the last season they could shoot from the material they already have. And even so, the last book, by all means will take as long as any. Even if the 6th one is massive, and i hope it is, there s no way GRRM publishes the 7th one 2, max 3 years after the 6th. I'm guessing Winds of Winter in 2-3 years. It's already been almost 2 years since Dance, and Dance took 5 years. Part of the huge problem that delayed Dance though was figuring out what to do with Dany and all the events and different people coming to Meereen and what order they would arrive, and what would happen with each one, along with how Dany was going to deal with trying to end slavery, while at the same time moving on to Westeros. Hopefully he has worked that out now and can move at a bit faster pace. Here is the publication dates for the first 5 books: 1 A Game of Thrones 704 pages August 1996 2 A Clash of Kings 768 pages February 1999 3 A Storm of Swords 992 pagesNovember 2000 4 A Feast for Crows 753 pages November 2005 5 A Dance with Dragons 1056 pages July 2011 6 The Winds of Winter (Forthcoming) 7 A Dream of Spring (Forthcoming) Plus the fact that he wrote a ton of stuff with the idea that there was going to be a time gap between Storm of Swords and Feast for Crows. The problem was that then he had to have all these flash backs to explain what happened during that time gap which took at least as much time as just not having a time gap in the first place. So he scrapped alot of what he had and started over. http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/What_happened_to_the_five_year_gap_that_was_supposed_to_follow_ASoS As for kid actors aging up, that's not too huge a deal since one of the main reasons Martin was considering the time jump in the first place was to make the kids older. They could also consider filming more than one season at a time similar to how Lord of the Rings was filmed. The main problem they have had with that idea is that the TV writers don't think they can write fast enough. | ||
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antelope591
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On April 05 2013 00:29 Acrofales wrote: I find Cersei one of the better conversions. Not fond of Robb or Catelyn. Littlefinger is obviously the worst. The series version is a caricature of the book character. Best conversions are probably Stannis, Davos, Sam and Jaime. Meh I think Stannis actor is a great actor but Im not a huge fan of his Stannis. Gets too emotional and the thing with humping Mellisandre on the table...no comment. My fav conversions are Tywin, Tyrion, Jamie, Joffrey (u know its true). | ||
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jxx
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On April 04 2013 06:11 Geo.Rion wrote: 3. They make a mini-series or a spin-off season out of the Dunk and Egg tales, or Robert's rebellion. Most people expect the D&Egg, but i think there s way more potential in the latter one, with Lyanna and Rhaegar getting introduced and still have some familiar characters as their younger selves, Ned, Robert, Jaime, Cercei, Selmy etc It would be awesome if they did this. Robert's rebellion? Yes please. Lyanna, Rhaegar and Mad King? YES. | ||
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Hoodlum
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On April 05 2013 00:29 Acrofales wrote: I find Cersei one of the better conversions. Not fond of Robb or Catelyn. Littlefinger is obviously the worst. The series version is a caricature of the book character. Best conversions are probably Stannis, Davos, Sam and Jaime. Don't forget Tywin, Tywin is the best imo. | ||
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ACrow
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On April 05 2013 00:48 antelope591 wrote: Meh I think Stannis actor is a great actor but Im not a huge fan of his Stannis. Gets too emotional and the thing with humping Mellisandre on the table...no comment. My fav conversions are Tywin, Tyrion, Jamie, Joffrey (u know its true). Joffrey is definitely an excellent conversion. It's good that they found an actor who you already start hating just by looking at him, lol. I'm also not too big a fan of the series version of Stannis, I can't exactly figure out what, but something is off. I'm also not happy about Mance, I mean he is of course a good actor and it was clear they'd change that character, but still, with the stern serious Mance from the series, I don't see any contrast between him and a southern King. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
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Good: Tywin - The guy who I now see when I read. Auto win. Drogo Tyrion Arya - the two examples of characters who were changed meaningfully but it works quite well Osha -^ Cersei - might only seem better because she didn't get to be a POV until later in the books, but she does seem more interesting Jaime - So perfect except... Ned - they made him a bit of an outright idiot rather than 'stark normal', but it worked quite well Jorah - I should start calling him atlas because he's had Essos on his shoulders since Drogo and Viserys died Sansa - The weird one because she is terrible in the books but ok in the show,so I'll put her here on account of the large gain Neutral who are worth mentioning because of more interesting changes Jaime - ...he killed his cousin for a half assed attempt to...is that just going to be forgotten while they otherwise portray him reasonably spot on...ugh Joff - they dialed him to 11, but eh...works Stannis - "the mannis" works reasonably well, but just doesn't seem as realistic so I can't quite call him better than the books like so many do Jon - dumb Jon works remarkably well and is in fact probably what they had to do since smart but naive would have been too hard to get across on screen. Bad: Dany - see discussion. In a quick summary she is less competent and less supportable/likable, yet she is one of the top leads who we need to be interested in enough to warrant most of Essos. Littlefinger - plenty of discussion on this one too, count me as agreeing with all the naysayer posts Jaime - ...but he is a reckless and brazen sociopath in the show...how can he...damnit Ros - I don't want this character to exist, but if she becomes the Dontos stand in at least she will have purpose for the rest of her life now. Barristan - discussed. He might prove to be the book incarnation's equal but so far he's been simplified and denied the chance to be cool. Jeyne-Talisa/Robb - if that theory isn't true this is a wreck worse than LF, but Dany is still the worst thing overall because of her superior importance. I'm sure I'll have forgotten something or two. | ||
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antelope591
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Perfect adaptations Tywin - prolly my overall number one and def one of the best book to TV transfers ever. Everything from his look to his acting is exactly like I pictured him. Tyrion - don't need much explenation gets bonus points for playing the toughest character. Who could've pictured a better job than he's been able to do? Joffrey - Same as the above too, perfect transfer from the books. You instantly hate him and he captures all the scenes. For a kid actor to do what he's doing too takes balls. Jorah - just as I pictured him, can't find any complaint Almost perfect Ned Stark - Sean Bean is badass obv. Kinda different from the book one tho, made him more as a perfect pure loving good guy when he seemed more gray and hard hearted in the books Jamie - The actor does a perfect job capturing the character, the scene where he kills his cousin is the only thing that takes him down a notch since book Jamie wouldn't hurt a family member like that. Theon - actor does a great job, underrated imo. Davos - not really much to be said he plays his role well Sam - ditto Arya - yea Decent but could be better Dany - actress has the hotness down but she's not believable when she gets angry and tries to show emotion. Cersei - Always seems half asleep in the show, I don't think she shows enough emotion for the character Jon - book Jon was a lot more badass....they make the TV Jon seem too naive and dumb Robb - was a lot more conflicted in the books, they don't do a good job of showing that in the show Sansa - actress does a decent job maybe I just hate her character and whiny girl persona too much for a higher rank -_- Personally didn't like so far Catelyn - seems even more whiny and an even bigger screwup from the books if that was even possible Stannis - the guy that plays him is a good actor but being a top 3 character for me from the books he's not like I imagined him at all look wise and does a lot of things out of character (mostly the writers' fault obv) but just don't like how they implemented him. Probably won't find a lot of agreement here but oh well Renly - had a witty/smart side in the books. They made him look like a soft whimpering pussy in the show Littlefinger - already been covered well enough If I didn't mention a character its probably because I think they do a passable job but not exceptional | ||
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reincremate
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On April 04 2013 09:04 itkovian wrote: I will add that I like Dany a lot more in the books, than I do in the television series. Just going off the top of my head, at a level of gut feeling, the book version of Dany seems a lot more rational, while the show version of Dany seems too confrontational. I agree. I think they tried to make her seem more forceful and badass, but they just ended up making her seem like an entitled, impatient douchebaguette. The way I imagined her when reading the books was as someone who was confident like the TV series version, but in a more subtle and reserved manner, as in more controlled and less prone to dragon-invoking fury. Also, I thought she was a bit more melancholy in the book, as if she were accepting her position as a necessary but rather sad duty rather than simply a birthright. edit: Stannis in the series doesn't look the way I pictured him for the book. For some reason I imagined Stannis as looking like Walter White from Breaking Bad (i.e., same face and mannerisms), even though I didn't really make much of a conscious connection between the characters, who aren't really that similar--but then again they are kind of similar since they're both utilitarian and power-hungry. Stannis is more tight-ass though and seems to be in denial about his thirst for power, telling himself and others that duty is his raison d'etre. A nice thing about the books was that a lot of stuff was kind of obvious but still hidden in the subtext, namely the sexual relationships between Stannis and Melisandre and between Loras and Renly. It's one of the areas of the show that seem kind of insulting to the viewer, as in, "we have to show the sex scenes, or they won't get it and/or they'll get bored!" With that said I hope we'll have little to no Roz and other show-only characters this season, especially if it's just for fulfilling the boob quota. | ||
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Drowsy
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Really looking forward to tonight's show, I hope Jon gets a lot of screen time. | ||
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Marradron
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Ario
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On April 07 2013 12:18 jcroisdale wrote: I just assumed that the Iron Islanders burnt the city. Using it as a distraction to escape. I do not think the northern army would have made any deal with them. Especially considering the honor for the son leading the attack. I love reading posts in the other thread  | ||
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Marradron
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On April 08 2013 10:32 Ario wrote: Saw this post in the show thread talking about what happened at Winterfell: I love reading posts in the other thread I think there's a few people going around in the other thread with their 'theory's' just to troll the non-readers. | ||
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