[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 244

On April 03 2013 11:50 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Exactly how GRRM* did it in the books. One of the fundamental building block sort of things that makes the show adaptation reasonably good is that it isn't dumbed down too much for a TV audience. Why not let them, or at least some of them who are paying attention and remember Barristan, know before Dany like readers did?

On April 03 2013 16:52 Conti wrote:

Don't you see a gigantic difference between introducing a new character in a book that turns out to be a familiar one, and introducing a familiar character in a TV show that pretends to be a new one for a whole season? Don't you see the myriads of problems that would come with this, not to mention the confusion for all the non-readers who are quickly going to be annoyed at why he doesn't reveal himself, and why he keeps pretending he is someone else with no explanation whatsoever? Don't you think that, after a whole season of pretending to be someone else, once he revealed himself to Dany the non-book reader audience would feel insulted that they were supposed to be surprised or were supposed to care about the reveal on the slightest? They knew about it from the very beginning! And the reasoning given would be pretty flimsy. In the eyes of the viewers, it would be a stupid plot with no rhyme or reasoning.

A television show is a vastly different medium than a book. Expecting everything in a book to work exactly like that in a tv show (and vice versa) is naive at best.

On April 03 2013 12:24 Irrelevant Label wrote:
I don't doubt that he will still have his chances to be awesome.

Viewers know plenty for the reason to stand. All they really need to know is that Aerys was mad, which is quite well known with the "mad king" title being the primary term used to refer to him. This while Barristan was already established as having sympathy for that view, if not holding it outright, despite being a Targaryen loyalist. Cersei even already quoted the "every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin" Westerosi mini-parable regarding the Targaryen line.

It is very likely to come up despite his lack of having watched her in secret. His status as her other, and better, source of education on Westeros was the basis for much of their post-revelation conversations.

On April 03 2013 17:14 Geo.Rion wrote:

i would wager that half the viewers dont remember barristan, and a good portion of the rest wouldnt have recognized him with his new beard, especially if he keeps the hood up.
In the non spoiler thread, people were asking who s the guy, or did they replace the actor.

I know it s different, but in the books there were a 100 and 1 clues that he is Barristan. Like if we'd make a ranking of misterys in order of the difficulty to guess them, this would have been the easiest imo, more obvious then Renly+Loras or that Balon was murdered. Still, maybe 1 in 5 made the connection.

On April 03 2013 19:49 zodde wrote:
Is it really a huge problem that the viewers know he's faking his identity? Stuff like that happens everywhere in movies/tv series.

On April 03 2013 21:34 Chrispy wrote:
Hey guys what was Jon Snow's reasons in the books in convincing Mance Rayder that he legitimately wanted to join the wildlings? I forget but I'm pretty sure the TV version of "I want to kill white walkers derrr" wasn't it.

Was it something like he lied and said he wanted to make a name for himself?

On April 03 2013 19:01 DannyJ wrote:
Speaking of Jorah, does anyone else really dislike who they cast for him? I think he's the only badly miscast person in the entire show. That actor is way too, well, attractive. Maybe I'm not remembering the books well, but wasn't he basically an older, big bald disgusting "bear" of a man? Now I'm no woman, but I'd think Danaerys would jump all over that actor, something that she never even hinted at in the books as far as I remember.

Edit: that being said, I like the actor in general and I guess they wanted to make him more "likable" than in the books, so it's not that bad, just annoying to a nerd fan

On April 03 2013 22:25 antelope591 wrote:


Totally disagree...I think Jorah is one of the best actors in the entire series as far as transition from books. He does a great job displaying his loyalty and love for Dany while at the same time showing his weariness of his past. As far as looks I'll leave it up for the chicks to judge but he doesn't seem like no Brad Pitt to me.

On April 04 2013 00:12 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:



I dont think that existed. Your point is valid though, but I think cowboys are more of a mid-late 19th century thing...

on the other hand, theres a reason why actual ''noble knights'' dont look bad and guys like Bronn and the Hound and some other lower class knights are fugly. So you can tell them apart I guess ?